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This last year really makes me want to bring back Zucker but I am just worried about his health as well as age.

I really wanna target guys under 30. We are the oldest team in the league right now.
It's a gamble for sure but that's why you try to get him at $4mil or so instead of a price tag that makes him an anchor if the play declines. He could be put on the 3rd line eventually. Or heaven forbid, we have a 2nd line capable guy on the 3rd line.

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Yeah, I mean, he was playing with some elite production guys in Nashville. He ain't gonna be playing with guys like that on the Penguins, at ES or on the PP. :laugh: He's not usurping anybody in the PP hierarchy of Sid, Geno, Jake, Rust (or Rakell, or whoever this team gets to replace Zucker, or even Carter whose only asset left is his shot) or Letang.


Uhhh, you should absolutely be scared to put Sid in the firing line of shots from Kris "high and wide" Letang, all the while getting beat to shit from crosschecks around the crease. :laugh:

This team's a lengthy Sid injury away from a top-5 pick imo.
Net front PP guy injuries are pretty uncommon. The PKers are tentative, afraid to go down 2 men. They are focused on positioning and the puck. Guentzel has done it for years. Has he sustained an injury once over there?

Kreider just played 81 and 79 games as net front the last 2 seasons.
 

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To be honest, I hope we turn the page on Zucker. There will be some decent depth on the market that would be a cheaper option and also that doesn't carry the injuries that he has gone threw in past seasons.

There is Domi that can play C or LW, Bunting of course, Bertuzzi, Tatar less than 3 years, and even taking a wild shot at Drouin for a 1 year deal and see if he can rebound. He just isn't done for the pressure of playing in Montreal
That's fair but I think the type of injuries that Zucker sustained are a risk for any player that plays the style of game he plays...and we need that style. Unless Bryan Rust is suddenly going to find a nose for the net, we need the guy with some wheels that will go in and forecheck. If you could close Rakell, that would be best. If not, figure out the next best similar forward we can afford.
 
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The power play is just stagnant. Nobody's moving so PKers have the easiest time in the world to set up in lanes and even get aggressive in pressuring the puck carrier into a mistake or forced pass/shot that ultimately leads to a zone exit, and like BlindWilly said, this team's zone entries are El Stinko Grande so that's an easy 45 seconds to a minute killed by one mistake. :laugh:

There's no movement, there's no flow, it's easily predictable. I think the PP needs somebody to take the puck decisions out of the hands of guys like Letang and Sid. Gonchar did it, Kessel did it, and I think that's the best the power play's ever been during the era imo. Don't know who that new acquisition would be or how to acquire them, but between entries, movement and the guys running QB for the PP, it's no real mystery as to why it comes up lame so often.

Net front PP guy injuries are pretty uncommon. The PKers are tentative, afraid to go down 2 men. They are focused on positioning and the puck. Guentzel has done it for years. Has he sustained an injury once over there?

Kreider just played 81 and 79 games as net front the last 2 seasons.
Kreider's 6'3, 230lbs. :laugh: Jake's built like a high school sophomore, and regularly gets ragdolled, especially in the post season when the officials "don't want to influence games" so they refuse to make clear calls, which, of course, influences games. :laugh:

I'm just sayin', you put Sid in a slot/net-front role on the PP and I'm pretty confident with his and this team's injury woes, he's going on the shelf sooner than later, and probably for a long time. Puck deflected up high into his face, a shot off the ankle, a crosscheck to the kidneys. Whatever the case may be.
 
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Is it just me or does the Bunting to Pitt seem inevitable?
It's definitely a move we all see coming from miles away if it happens. Even before Dubas was put in charge.
Also I'm not trying to pick here but if you are yanking Sid off of the RHW and you follow that up by putting Granlund there and not Malkin I'm just going to assume you have season tickets and a rather large axe to grind.
They just gotta find somebody who can reliably feed Geno pucks in his wheelhouse on the PP. Dude's lost a step but his shot's still elite as ever, and if they can find somebody to do that and the two guys click, Geno's probably a 40+ goal guy until he retires.

I don't know if that's Letang or not, after years of wincing at Letang throwing passes into Geno's skates over and over in a vain attempt to get one-timers from ol' 71. :laugh:
 
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The power play is just stagnant. Nobody's moving so PKers have the easiest time in the world to set up in lanes and even get aggressive in pressuring the puck carrier into a mistake or forced pass/shot that ultimately leads to a zone exit, and like BlindWilly said, this team's zone entries are El Stinko Grande so that's an easy 45 seconds to a minute killed by one mistake. :laugh:

There's no movement, there's no flow, it's easily predictable. I think the PP needs somebody to take the puck decisions out of the hands of guys like Letang and Sid. Gonchar did it, Kessel did it, and I think that's the best the power play's ever been during the era imo. Don't know who that new acquisition would be or how to acquire them, but between entries, movement and the guys running QB for the PP, it's no real mystery as to why it comes up lame so often.


Kreider's 6'3, 230lbs. :laugh: Jake's built like a high school sophomore, and regularly gets ragdolled, especially in the post season when the officials "don't want to influence games" so they refuse to make clear calls, which, of course, influences games. :laugh:

I'm just sayin', you put Sid in a slot/net-front role on the PP and I'm pretty confident with his and this team's injury woes, he's going on the shelf sooner than later, and probably for a long time. Puck deflected up high into his face, a shot off the ankle, a crosscheck to the kidneys. Whatever the case may be.
Well the fact that Jake didn't get hurt there for years as a shrimp player is proof that it's not as dangerous as people here are claiming.

It's not the same as 5v5 net-front, with the D taking liberties. The #1 thing PKers are thinking about is structure and timing. They often don't even have the luxury of being all over the net-front guy, since they're trying to maintain their box.

Idk...fearing a deflection is pretty bleh. Jake is a super important player for us and he was in that firing line too. Nothing happened for like 4 years.
 

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Also I'm not trying to pick here but if you are yanking Sid off of the RHW and you follow that up by putting Granlund there and not Malkin I'm just going to assume you have season tickets and a rather large axe to grind.
Sometimes Sid sucks for stretches at things, just like everyone else. He had like 3 PPGs at the halfway mark.
You make changes when things aren't working. Doesn't matter how big the names are.
And Sid can provide a lot as net-front that Guentzel can't.
 

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Well the fact that Jake didn't get hurt there for years as a shrimp player is proof that it's not as dangerous as people here are claiming.

It's not the same as 5v5 net-front, with the D taking liberties. The #1 thing PKers are thinking about is structure and timing. They often don't even have the luxury of being all over the net-front guy, since they're trying to maintain their box.

Idk...fearing a deflection is pretty bleh. Jake is a super important player for us and he was in that firing line too. Nothing happened for like 4 years.
It's a dumb idea imo. There's a difference between a net-front guy and Sid working the goal line and drawing PKers away from the slot.

Opposing PKers have the luxury of a lot of things against this team because Sid's constantly trying to force passes through a dozen obstacles in the middle of the ice, Letang's second-guessing his decisions allowing PKers to close in on him at the point, and Penguins PP guys all just plant roots and that makes a PKer's job the easiest in the world because of the established and static passing/shooting lanes, let alone the ease of aggression and closing gaps to force hasty decisions.

There's a lot wrong with the PP.
 

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Late to the party but the difference in value between the #14 overall pick and the #31 overall pick is way overkill for moving Granlund.

You should be able to do something like #14, a 2024 2nd and Granlund to Chicago for #19 and #99 or something like that. Dropping from #14 to #31 is way too large of a drop. Also it's comically dumb to then use that 1st rounder on a guy with only 1 year left on his deal.
 

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Well the fact that Jake didn't get hurt there for years as a shrimp player is proof that it's not as dangerous as people here are claiming.

It's not the same as 5v5 net-front, with the D taking liberties. The #1 thing PKers are thinking about is structure and timing. They often don't even have the luxury of being all over the net-front guy, since they're trying to maintain their box.

Idk...fearing a deflection is pretty bleh. Jake is a super important player for us and he was in that firing line too. Nothing happened for like 4 years.
Jake was completely ineffective down the stretch and in the playoffs the only year he tried to be a real net front for a whole season on the PP and at ES (2020-21). It takes a toll. It hasn't been a problem since then because we brought in Rakell who handled it last year when Sullivan deigned to play a net front player on the PP, and we used Zucker and Carter there some too. Another reason you can't run Rust on L1, he's allergic to the blue paint at ES or on the PP.

Jake has not tried to do that job full time since the year he got beat to hell, or he'd be useless every year down the stretch.
 
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Sometimes Sid sucks for stretches at things, just like everyone else. He had like 3 PPGs at the halfway mark.
You make changes when things aren't working. Doesn't matter how big the names are.
And Sid can provide a lot as net-front that Guentzel can't.

Don't get me wrong... I think there are issues beyond just coaching on the top unit. I just don't think the current roster has the personnel to address it properly.

Ideally you need a new guy on the point and someone to play the LHW. Malkin, Sid and whoever fits best to fill out the rest. I would make that third player someone who can effectively play down low with Sid but YMMV.
 

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Being a true net-front guy is a rare mix of skillset and frame. There's a reason guys like Holmstrom and Hornqvist have been revered during their careers for the role they fill. If it was an easy role and you could just plunk anybody there, nobody would ever really put emphasis on finding guys to do the job. /shrug

Sid and Jake have the hand-eye coordination to be some of the best in the world at deflecting pucks and finding loose pucks in tight. But that's just a small part of what you really want in a net-front guy imo.
 

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Late to the party but the difference in value between the #14 overall pick and the #31 overall pick is way overkill for moving Granlund.

You should be able to do something like #14, a 2024 2nd and Granlund to Chicago for #19 and #99 or something like that. Dropping from #14 to #31 is way too large of a drop. Also it's comically dumb to then use that 1st rounder on a guy with only 1 year left on his deal.
If you are talking about Hellebuyck I think a handshake deal would be made before a trade or any other player.
 

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The best way to get Granlund back on track is to play him with Zucker and hope that chemistry comes back. So they should really re-sign Zucker.
 

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Sometimes Sid sucks for stretches at things, just like everyone else. He had like 3 PPGs at the halfway mark.
You make changes when things aren't working. Doesn't matter how big the names are.
And Sid can provide a lot as net-front that Guentzel can't.

It does.

This is Sid's team. You need his buy in. If you don't have his buy in, there'll be no success for the team. You can't just order him around. Sid is no primadonna by star player standards but even so, he's going to have his beliefs about how he's best used and he's going to win the argument most times because the coach can't win it unless Sid lets him.

Whatever the PP fix is, it needs to involve catering to the egos of Sid, Geno and probably Tanger too or it's not going to work. That simple. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it is a thing. You don't sail a boat directly into the wind and you don't try winning fights with star players. You can probably get away with getting them to restructure themselves around a Kessel-level talent, but Granlund isn't that.
 

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Hellebuyck is arguably (pretty unanimously considered, I'd guess) a top-3 guy in the world at his position. The Jets are probably, whether they like it or not, heading into firesale mode before a rebuild. I don't think they're gonna part with Hellebuyck for anything short of a pretty huge return, and I imagine lots of teams will be lining up to try and acquire the guy.

I genuinely don't think there's a snowball's chance in Hell this team makes a serious run at Hellebuyck. They'll probably inquire, because he's a great player at a position that this team's had issue with for many years now. But I don't see how any kind of package from the Pens gets the Jets interested outside of a massive overpayment to the tune of multiple 1sts. I don't think anybody gives two shits about Pickering, and he's easily this team's most attractive prospect. :laugh:
 
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