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cygnus47 said:
It doesn’t have to be overhauled, just focused. What are your three best set plays? Ok, so we gain the zone in these ways, we try to set up play one and get a shot on. If that’s not working go to 2. Then go to 3. Do it in that order. And then practice those religiously instead of just improvising completely.
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I'm not convinced they haven't.

PP1 has no dump/chase option in entries. Consequently, since opposing defenses don't have to respect their ability to throw the puck behind them they just crowd the blue line. The Penguins typically turn the puck over on a lateral 10-15 foot pass at the blueline.

Of course coaching isn't blameless. Sully has allowed PP1 to become an honorific title for pedigree vs. the most effective 5 man unit. Sully should have the power to change things because he's Mr. Lifetime Contract.

The PP1 has to become a weapon again. Not a momentum changer to the opposition. That demands more willingness to change than just swapping Rakell and Rust a bunch.
 
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Gurglesons said:
So you can't name any. Cool.
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No. That nobody can't look for themselves. Apparently.
Pancakes said:
I guess it depends who you apply the "core" tag to as to whether or not your statement is accurate.

Cuz outside of Sid, Geno, Tang, Maf, you had Murray, Guentzel, Rust, Dumo, Maatta, Kuhnhackl, Wilson all contributing to those cup wins and all came through the draft.
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Without---> Kunitz, Guerin, Fedotenko, Dupuis, Satan, Cooke, Sykora, Gonchar, Eaton, Boucher,---> Hornqvist, Kessel, Bonino, Hagelin, Cullen, Schultz, Fehr, Rowney, Cole, Hainsey, Daley and (Dumo was bought in the Staal trade) ---> Guentzel was 2017 only.

That's a lot of names that otherwise makes the Pens drafted players insignificant save a chosen few.

Edit: @Gurglesons touched a good bit on it already.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Jake wasn’t part of one of those cup wins. Obviously big part of 2017, but I’d dial back how crucial it is to have massive amounts of draft picks. It can be players like Cole, Dumo, and Sheary that weren’t drafted but developed here.
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You don't need massive amounts of them, but you do need a few guys contributing on cheap contracts.

It's hard to make the math work to put together a great team if you don't have a few young guys on cheap contracts I feel like. It's why I want Dubas to play guys like DOC and Nylander next year so that he can use more of the dollars elsewhere.
 
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Pancakes said:
You don't need massive amounts of them, but you do need a few guys contributing on cheap contracts.

It's hard to make the math work to put together a great team if you don't have a few young guys on cheap contracts I feel like. It's why I want Dubas to play guys like DOC and Nylander next year so that he can use more of the dollars elsewhere.
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I'd say Puustinen is pretty likely to outperform a few of our bottom 6'ers from last year too, if he gets the opportunity. Wouldn't take much.
 
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Pancakes said:
You don't need massive amounts of them, but you do need a few guys contributing on cheap contracts.

It's hard to make the math work to put together a great team if you don't have a few young guys on cheap contracts I feel like. It's why I want Dubas to play guys like DOC and Nylander next year so that he can use more of the dollars elsewhere.
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I’m just saying they don’t necessarily need to be drafted by us.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Here's my latest awful roster projection.

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I doubt Dubas will be changing out 7 players from trades/ufa in 1 offseason. Maybe 2 forwards, 1 D and a goalie. e.g. Frederick, Garland, Grzelycyk and Varlamov.

I still think 1LD is the priority, as that's what Sullivan told Hextall he needs the most during the trade deadline. He doesn't want Pettersson or POJ there. Friedman says teams are calling in on Hanifin, I wonder if the Pens are part of that
 
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Gurglesons said:
Draft built in what way..
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I wasn't really reading up and counted the core in draft built.

That said - having two top six wings, a top 4 dman, and a starting goalie on ELCs is significant. The post-2009 draftees mightn't have come in great numbers, but there were absolutely vital. Replace those guys were bargain bin UFAs and there is no double.

Which seems substantial to me.

More pertinent is that in terms of talking team building for now, they need to get those super budget contributors from somewhere and it's probably not WBS.

Which basically means pursuing guys like Howden, like you said. Are they likely to be the answer? No. Are they the best shot of finding it? Absolutely.
 
Hanafin is reportedly available and would look good next to Letang…I would trade Jake for him straight up…I know others would not (like Sid lol)
 
There is no point to hold on to anyone outside of 87/71 IMO. The team has been 1st round and not even making the playoffs now. That's a pattern.

If we make crazy adjustments that don't seem to favor us on paper... I'll be fine. The "paper" product really hasn't done anything for 5 years
 
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
Again, it's really f***ing insane that Hextall gave Carter a 2nd year and a NMC, then went out and got Granlund, a player who is a terrible fit anywhere in this team's lineup with an awful contract to boot. Just bizarre, brainless stuff. The GMing equivalent of Mike Johnston's coaching.
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I’m way late on this response, but I makes me wonder in a parallel universe what it looks like if Hextall had picked up Granlund at what everyone assumed he would be when we forked over a 2nd: something like 40-50% retained.

All these top 6 lineups with Granlund in the mix look a lot more palatable in my mind when he’s on 2.5 or 3 m. Then, if his production returns to Nashville levels, suddenly you have a middle six bargain for 3 years, rather than the buyout candidate we have.
 
Peat said:
I wasn't really reading up and counted the core in draft built.

That said - having two top six wings, a top 4 dman, and a starting goalie on ELCs is significant. The post-2009 draftees mightn't have come in great numbers, but there were absolutely vital. Replace those guys were bargain bin UFAs and there is no double.

Which seems substantial to me.

More pertinent is that in terms of talking team building for now, they need to get those super budget contributors from somewhere and it's probably not WBS.

Which basically means pursuing guys like Howden, like you said. Are they likely to be the answer? No. Are they the best shot of finding it? Absolutely.
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Yeah, that’s my only point. I don’t think we necessarily need to draft these players. We should be able to acquire ELCs via trade, waivers or random signings like Sheary.
 
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What are people's thoughts on Mantha? He was terrible last year, but the talent is there. Could be a James Neal type play on Malkin's wing..
 
lettuceAA said:
What are people's thoughts on Mantha? He was terrible last year, but the talent is there. Could be a James Neal type play on Malkin's wing..
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He has talent but just stay away…doesn’t have the drive or work ethic to be a really good player…two teams have tried to fix him and it hasn’t worked
 
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