Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

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Zero Pucks

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Stan Bowman would be a legit Pens type of hiring without caring about how it looks.

Also anyone they hire I am curious how much freedom they would have to do the right thing. Because if a new gm comes in and doesn't ship out some of the problematic "surrounding core" types, then it's just another mouth piece that is here to do just make Sully comfortable and then fall on his sword when the coach fails every single move of his.
It does. Hopefully ownership cares at least a little bit how the optics look. Because it's gonna look really f***ing bad if that's who they pick. It's honestly bad enough if he's legitimately a candidate of interest.
 

3ladesof5teel

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Demote Mears, replace him with Getzoff. Hire TK and fire Errey.

Oh you mean team wise? Why bother. I literally don't give a shit about any player moves anymore. I couldn't tell you who I want on this team or which prospect I'd like to see given a chance anymore. Why waste that energy?



Would we have had an impact player in the system or on the team that could have moved a player down? We might have and the coach misused or didn't use them.

That was the bigger issue. I don't think we started the season as a bad team on paper. The coach played some real Bylsma shit with the roster and it turned into a mess. They played sloppy to start and to finish and a lot of the roster was changed at the half way point with the same limp to the finish.

Somehow that meant it was a player issue and not a coach issue.

Interesting, that.
Ehhh

I think there were quite a few of us that wanted much of what is being discussed going into last season.

A difference maker for Geno's wing (Zucker stepped up, but we are that much better with an impact player there)

A defensive D-man who is strong in his own end and can punish guys that like to hang out around our net.

More stable goaltending.

He didnt address to start the season and I cut him some slack for that b/c the offseason was pretty slim pickings but throughout the season and up until the deadline if your big move is Granlund that's a pretty big issue. Basically a negative move for the team moving forward.

I like Granlund just not here and not for our situation, and if thats "your move" you really fd up

As far as your question, do we have an impact player in the system? No we dont, we have some guys that could fight for some positions in the bottom 6 but an impact player for the top 6......no
 
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Is Gavrikov any good? And if so how much would he cost as a Free agent.

That trade the kings made is exactly what we should have made. They recognized issues and dealt with them.

This team would be way better off with Gavrikov and Korpisalo over Dumo and Jarry.

Though Sullivan would have probable benched Gavrikov for Chad

Well if the Penguins get Bowman as their GM, you know that Toews is coming as well to be their 3C.

Id honestly switch to another team if that happens. I could not stand the Combo of Bowman, Sullivan and Toews. Id go buy a Kraken jersey and jump ship.
 

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Anybody interesting that might not receive a QO? Maybe Puljujarvi?
 

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What I would like to see.

-Step 1: Go golfing the first week of July. No good decisions are made during that time. Let everyone else use up their cap space. Take advantage of bargain deals after. Do not try building through free agency.

-Step 2: Build through trades. We've seen guys like Meier and Chychrun get acquired. Guys who are still young and provide actual impact. Not to mention the return for them was far less than people thought. As long as you have the cap space.

-Step 3: New coach but that's been talked to by death.

In summary build through trades, add complementary pieces through UFA at bargain prices.
The problem is how many trades were made until a week before the deadline last year? You’d have a crap roster until like game 60 or 65.

Id honestly switch to another team if that happens. I could not stand the Combo of Bowman, Sullivan and Toews. Id go buy a Kraken jersey and jump ship.
Plenty of former Pens to pick from.
 
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Goalie_Bob

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Anybody interesting that might not receive a QO? Maybe Puljujarvi?

Poolparty will definitely not get his QO. And I don’t think he is an NHL player at this point. He will be lucky to get a minimum contract.

But yeah. I’m thinking due to so many teams being up against the cap that there could be a few decent RFAs that are not qualified.
 

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Anybody interesting that might not receive a QO? Maybe Puljujarvi?
There's something off about that guy. I don't think he processes the game at the NHL level. I think he's got solid tools (great size and willingness to use it, good skater for a big guy, okay hands), but I don't think he can read the play fast enough to consistently take advantage of those tools.

I think people keep seeing the next Nichuskin, but I think Nichuskin sees the game better. He just needed to a]get a proper opportunity and b]needed time to adjust his game. Puljujarvi has gotten more than enough opportunities next to McDavid to show he can be a productive NHLer and still couldn't and was consequently moved for relatively nothing given his draft pedigree.
 
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There's something off about that guy. I don't think he processes the game at the NHL level. I think he's got solid tools (great size and willingness to use it, good skater for a big guy, okay hands), but I don't think he can read the play fast enough to consistently take advantage of those tools.

I think people keep seeing the next Nichuskin, but I think Nichuskin sees the game better. He just needed to a]get a proper opportunity and b]needed time to adjust his game. Puljujarvi has gotten more than enough opportunities next to McDavid to show he can be a productive NHLer and still couldn't and was consequently moved for relatively nothing given his draft pedigree.
Yeah I don’t watch him much but it seems like he fundamentally doesn’t understand where to be offensively. He’s always in between being a net front guy or a high slot shooter. Sometimes he’ll just be standing on the goal line doing nothing.

Weirder things have happened though and maybe he just needs the right situation to turn it around. Maybe not here. Still quite young though.. same age as DOC, a year older than Puustinen. I think those 98 birth years are guys we should look at. They’re hitting their prime. Lot of no-longer-a-prospect-but-not-yet-an-NHLer UFAs and maybe you find a Verhaeghe or Bunting in the bunch. And if not at least you’re getting younger as an organization. Better than Feduns and Caggiulas.
 
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Kristopher Letang

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Maybe because when you're a poc you don't get the benefit of saying, I don't know, let's use Binnington as an example - saying xenophobic and racist shit at 18 and older and still having a career.

Maybe I'd like the same rules all across. Or hey treat them like how they treat us and see how that works.

Weird that blokes here mock me for that without understanding how frustrating it is living your entire life dealing with stereotyping and racism.
Meh. My parents immigrated from Morocco to Canada when I was young. Dealt with my fair share of racism/xenophobia and still do.

It ain’t that deep, my post was just a joke.
 
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The big issue I see with Comtois is that the role he'd fill (4th line LW) is already filled by O'Connor. I think the 4th line next year should be O'Connor-Poehling-Carter, assuming you can't tell Carter to stay home.

I'd be down to bring in Comtois as an extra F but I imagine he gets a guaranteed 4th line role somewhere. I don't really see that spot for him with the Penguins.
 
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The big issue I see with Comtois is that the role he'd fill (4th line LW) is already filled by O'Connor. I think the 4th line next year should be O'Connor-Poehling-Carter, assuming you can't tell Carter to stay home.

I'd be down to bring in Comtois as an extra F but I imagine he gets a guaranteed 4th line role somewhere. I don't really see that spot for him with the Penguins.
One of those 3 I think would be fine on the 3rd line. Just whichever plays the best.
 
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The big issue I see with Comtois is that the role he'd fill (4th line LW) is already filled by O'Connor. I think the 4th line next year should be O'Connor-Poehling-Carter, assuming you can't tell Carter to stay home.

I'd be down to bring in Comtois as an extra F but I imagine he gets a guaranteed 4th line role somewhere. I don't really see that spot for him with the Penguins.
Think Poehling and O'Connor are pretty good 4th liners. Wouldn't mind seeing Poehling on the 3rd and even Doc. Think another year of experience helps them both out. I still feel like Poehling has some room to grow.

Hard to believe the kid is 7 months younger than DOC.
 

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There's something off about that guy. I don't think he processes the game at the NHL level. I think he's got solid tools (great size and willingness to use it, good skater for a big guy, okay hands), but I don't think he can read the play fast enough to consistently take advantage of those tools.

I think people keep seeing the next Nichuskin, but I think Nichuskin sees the game better. He just needed to a]get a proper opportunity and b]needed time to adjust his game. Puljujarvi has gotten more than enough opportunities next to McDavid to show he can be a productive NHLer and still couldn't and was consequently moved for relatively nothing given his draft pedigree.
While I agree, would getting him for cheap and then using him as a defensive bottom 6 guy really be that bad? I I feel like Poolparty suffers from the fact that everyone is trying to make him justify his draft position, but he could probably be used and thrive just fine in someone's bottom 6.
 

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I like Barbashev. Think he’d even come relatively cheap for a top-6 player, like under 5 million per. Would work with Geno. Scores in a variety of ways. Physical. Not old.

Zucker’s old and his season was just too unsustainable and once those west coast offers come in he’s gone. We should just move on now.

Maybe Barbashev doesn’t score 27 but if he can get like 20, mostly at ES, for a million less, and make us harder to play against and better equipped for a playoff run that’s what we are looking for. And when his deal is wrapping up he’ll still be in his prime, unlike a 36 year old.

Barbashev would fit great next to Geno or even as the 3C.

Some under the radar bottom 6 pick ups that'll cost a lot less but could provide a spark and move up and down the lineup.

Andreas Athanasiou
Pierre Engvall
Evan Rodrigues
Jonathan Drouin
Oskar Sundqvist
Miles Wood
Tyler Motte
Maxime Comtois
 
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Weird, I didn’t think Sully would be apart of the GM search but they might interview someone with connections to him? Weird.
The franchise tied their hitch to Sully. You reap what you sow....or, You make your bed, you're going to lay in it. .... Or, Chickens are coming home to roost. Take your choice.

Even before FSG, someone high up loved them some Sully. They pushed out JR for Sully, HEX & Burke were axed over Sully (after trying to appease their HC) and Sully will pick the next GM.

I don't have to hope that it's all going to burn down spectacularly, it's already a fata complete.
 

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Weirder things have happened though and maybe he just needs the right situation to turn it around. Maybe not here. Still quite young though.. same age as DOC, a year older than Puustinen. I think those 98 birth years are guys we should look at. They’re hitting their prime. Lot of no-longer-a-prospect-but-not-yet-an-NHLer UFAs and maybe you find a Verhaeghe or Bunting in the bunch. And if not at least you’re getting younger as an organization. Better than Feduns and Caggiulas.
Something to point out here is that while it's unlike to see an older player suddenly put it together Gaudreau is someone who recently did it. Dude was putting up Mike Sullivan numbers in Nashville and then it suddenly clicked for him in the right situation.
 

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Here is a list of RFAs. In addition to Poolparty, I would think Gurianov, Blackwood, Comtois and Jost would join him as the guys making decent money and didn’t perform enough to get a QO.
I think Gurianov did well enough to get a callback to Montreal. They need guys like him while they dump some of the older fodder.

I would make a flyer on Blackwood the same way we did Tokarski. Certain Comtois. Maybe Jost but probably not.
Barbashev would fit great next to Geno or even as the 3C.

Some under the radar bottom 6 pick ups that'll cost a lot less but could provide a spark and move up and down the lineup.

Andreas Athanasiou
Pierre Engvall
Evan Rodrigues
Jonathan Drouin
Oskar Sundqvist
Miles Wood
Tyler Motte
Maxime Comtois
There's a lot of good names there for the bottom 6. I think you need to establish what you want the bottom 6 to be doing. As I've said countless times before, they need to abandon the: Scoring Line 1, Scoring Line 2, Defensive Line, Checking/Energy line model. That just will not work with the team we have and the league anymore. Load up 3 scoring scoring lines and force the other team to figure out how to control us.

From these two posts, assume everyone makes it to FA.

Jake-Sid-Rakell
XXX-Geno-Rust
XXX-Poehlin-XXX
XXX-XXX-XXX
Carter as 13. Granlund is traded out.

Sign Comtois, DOC, Poehling, Athanasiou, Wood, and bring Zucker back.

Jake-Sid-Rakell
Zucker-Malkin-Rust
Athanasiou-Poehling-Wood
DOC-Sundqvist-Comtois
Carter

Petts-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Addison (if they truly do not qualify him)

There is a ton a speed and skill and skating ability in this group.
 

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Something to point out here is that while it's unlike to see an older player suddenly put it together Gaudreau is someone who recently did it. Dude was putting up Mike Sullivan numbers in Nashville and then it suddenly clicked for him in the right situation.
One thing to keep in mind is Gaudreau put it together in Minnesota because he was also given the opportunity to do so. He had over 50% offensive zone starts in Minny. Him (or any other player in the bottom six here) would have to "break out" while getting about 25 to 30% offensive zone starts because of how stubbornly idiotic Sullivan deploys his bottom six.

That's why I'm skeptical of DOC or a guy like Puljujarvi having a breakout season here as long as Sullivan is around. They simply won't be put in a position to do so.
 
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