Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Snooki Stackhouse]

I love how they are heading into a draft in which they don't have a 2nd Rd pick because they dealt it 3 months ago for a guy that they might now have to part assets for to get rid of. I'm still in awe that we witnessed that out of the pens front office and despite caution that Dubas is in fact not the second coming, I'm nonetheless completely relieved that he's now here.

 

[tom_servo]

Getting a 1st and two 2nds for Provorov and weaponizing their cap space in taking Peterson seems pretty close to larceny for a team that's not looking to be competitive for like another 5-6 years at least.

I hope all their picks/prospects bomb though.

Must be fun to be a franchise with its best days (perpetually) in front of them.

 

[Jacob]

Torts is going to go Pazuzu-mode every single night trying to win while they actively tank.

 

[66-30-33]

Must be fun to be a franchise with its best days (perpetually) in front of them.

Pens will rebuild and become a playoff team meanwhile Flyers will still be rebuilding their never ending rebuild.

 

[Jacob]

I think if we had the assets (and we don’t [and I’m not paying 14th overall for him]) Hart would make a lot of sense. Way younger and less likely to be cooked than Gibson and his contract situation is ideal. 1 more year then RFA, so you’re not stuck with him if he does end up sucking, but he’s stuck with us if he plays well.

 

[Captain Hook]

I get Jarry vibes with Hart. I just don't trust either of them to be the answer in net. I'd like either of them in a 1a/1b role where they compete with someone of similar quality for the job but the cap probably makes that not very realistic, especially in Jarry's case.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Barbashev's ideally a 3rd liner in my mind which is why I won't pay that kinda price.

In Sully's mind, he's not better than Heinen.

I get Jarry vibes with Hart. I just don't trust either of them to be the answer in net. I'd like either of them in a 1a/1b role where they compete with someone of similar quality for the job but the cap probably makes that not very realistic, especially in Jarry's case.

I've never had faith with our medical staff and especially not the coaching staff. I hope Jarry walks so I can see how good he really is away from an epic shit show franchise.

 

[Ulf5]

Strike Gavrikov from your wishlist. Staying in L.A. for 2 more years. $5.8 mils.

 

[Jacob]

That's a lot per year but surprisingly short-term for a younger guy. I guess that's the trade-off.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Strike Gavrikov from your wishlist. Staying in L.A. for 2 more years. $5.8 mils.

You figured that was coming bc of the trade yesterday.

 

[Gurglesons]

That's a lot per year but surprisingly short-term for a younger guy. I guess that's the trade-off.

Smart move of LA IMO to take the short term.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

5.7milAAV is yikes IMO.

I do like the short term of the deal.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Interested to see if more FAs take short term deals to wait for the cap to explode. A guy like Bunting will probably take the money now but maybe someone like Barbashev takes a 1 or 2 year deal

 

[Jacob]

Smart move of LA IMO to take the short term.

Yeah I think you'll start seeing that for the non-core guys. Short, higher cap.

 

[Turin]

If LA is shopping Durzi I wonder if Dubas looks at him

 

[Gurglesons]

If LA is shopping Durzi I wonder if Dubas looks at him

Doesn’t really fit our needs and not sure why they’d shop him if they just cleared the cap they needed to on their blue line.

 

[Turin]

Doesn’t really fit our needs and not sure why they’d shop him if they just cleared the cap they needed to on their blue line.

I think a young dman who’s decent offensively and on special teams would be nice to get. But they’d need to clear Rutta or Petry.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think a young dman who’s decent offensively and on special teams would be nice to get. But they’d need to clear Rutta or Petry.

Too bad the Penguins don't have a guy like that already.

Hell, even POJ may fit that description too. He's not bad on the PP either.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Speaking of Dmen and Special Teams. Can we get rid of this outdated notion that only certain Dman can play on the PK? Guys like Scuderi, JJ, etc get labeled as some PK gods when they're not appreciably better than someone like Letang or Petts.

This dinosaur crap needs to go

 

[Empoleon8771]

Speaking of Dmen and Special Teams. Can we get rid of this outdated notion that only certain Dman can play on the PK? Guys like Scuderi, JJ, etc get labeled as some PK gods when they're not appreciably better than someone like Letang or Petts.

This dinosaur crap needs to go

I mean, I do think there is an aspect to consider of size with regards to PKing defensemen. Defensemen need to be able to clear out the crease and box out net front guys trying to get rebound goals on the powerplay. Letang is pretty solid at that, but I don't think Pettersson is good at that at all.

The issue with guys like JJ is that he wasn't good at boxing players out despite his size and just sucked everywhere. But JJ in theory (meaning what executives think he is) would be more useful for that crease clearing role than someone like Pettersson. JJ just stinks.

Pettersson is useful on the PK though, I wasn't trying to argue he wasn't. I think you ideally sign someone like Graves or Soucy to replace Dumoulin and have Petry, Rutta, Letang, Pettersson and Soucy/Graves all killing penalties.

 

[Turin]

Too bad the Penguins don't have a guy like that already.

Hell, even POJ may fit that description too. He's not bad on the PP either.

Durzi is RH and can PK too. But I’m good with both? I’m not a huge believer in Smith since I think his skating and size will hold him back from being what his instincts want him to be. But it’s probably not happening, just thought it’d be interesting since Dubas loves his former players.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'm pretty sure most would prefer acquiring Swayman from Boston, but I'd also gladly take Ullmark.

 

[Freeptop]

Top-5 picks are your best odds of landing a franchise pillar but spray and pray by having a ton of picks ain't a bad strategy either. /shrug

Petersen's deal is up in two years. I don't think the Flyers were hoping to go up against the cap intending to compete again in that time frame.

Even better is to spray and pray in addition to having top 5 picks, really.

Which just reminds me of just how bad the 03/04 Pens really were. The players Craig Patrick traded away were Marc Bergevin, Brian Holzinger and Alain Nasreddine (for a 7th round pick, Lasse Pirjeta and Steve Webb, respectively).

(Though, really, Patrick's approach to selling assets was generally flawed - tried to get prospects back instead of early round picks, and they almost all ended up busting; should have at least gotten some picks along with the prospects, given that the other teams were willing to give up on those prospects in the first place).

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I dunno. The shit CP was peddling back in those days was so horrible that mostly-busted prospects was probably about the best he could do.

That being said... woulda been nice to get some 1sts and 2nds in the Jagr and Kovalev deals. As opposed to a giant load of complete garbage that frankly mostly looked like garbage even at the time.

EDIT: Then again I suppose that's what all the cash took the place of.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah I think Patrick was in an impossible position in the 2001-2004 era, but he also did a pretty horrendous job at managing the Penguins assets over that window.

Like look at these trades:

-Jagr for Beech, Lupaschuk and Sivek
-Kasparaitis for Berry and Nieminen
-Ference for a 3rd
-Kovalev for Fata, Lintner, Samuelsson and Bouchard
-Hrdina for Abid, Focht and Lefebvre
-Straka for Anshakov and Strbak
-Berehowsky for Jackman (honestly, I never realized Berehowsky played for the Penguins)

Pretty much all of these trades were the Penguins giving up a legitimate NHLer for nothing. Ference for a 3rd was especially egregious, Ference was a 23 year old defensemen on a team with an awful defense and they ditched him for a 3rd rounder that didn't pan out.

Samuelsson in the Kovalev deal is the only player in these trades that actually was an effective player in the NHL, but he was then moved in the deal to trade up for the Fleury pick.