Gurglesons
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I’d rather just give him a one year deal, and trade a 3rd and a 4th for Iafallo or Arvidsson out of LA.
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I’d rather just give him a one year deal, and trade a 3rd and a 4th for Iafallo or Arvidsson out of LA.
Empoleon8771
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ACL injuries aren't really career threatening anymore. Malkin has had like 2 ACL surgeries I believe.
Gurglesons
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They are more threatening for players who games are built on speed and don’t have the talent Malkin do.
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Empoleon8771
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The Penguins are going to re-sign Guentzel and get him at a much cheaper AAV than most people would expect him to get.
The standard guys like Crosby, Malkin and Letang have established make me think that Guentzel will also similarly take a team-friendly deal. You already saw Rust do that as well.
The standard guys like Crosby, Malkin and Letang have established make me think that Guentzel will also similarly take a team-friendly deal. You already saw Rust do that as well.
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I read this. Well I skimmed it.
This article was really stupid.
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No way Sid would put up with having Guentzel taken from him
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An idea I just had from reading the main board: I wonder if Vegas winning the cup this year may influence teams to try to go cheaper in net, like Vegas did with Hill as their starter. The NHL is a copycat league after all, and "the Knights won without paying goalies, so I'm not going to be willing to pay much for a goalie" sounds pretty similar to the other (usually stupid) ideas that GMs had after looking at cup winners.
It's funny because that's not even really what the Knights are going to do going forward, it's just what happened to be the case this year. Thompson is really cheap (2 years left at $766k AAV), but he's a damn good starter himself. That's not the cheap I mean, I meant cheap as in not try to go get a great starter.
It's funny because that's not even really what the Knights are going to do going forward, it's just what happened to be the case this year. Thompson is really cheap (2 years left at $766k AAV), but he's a damn good starter himself. That's not the cheap I mean, I meant cheap as in not try to go get a great starter.
The thing about analytics vs production is that once you start digging into the stats on an analytics site like NST, you start noticing all sorts of things about production and how it comes.
Compile that with the eye test and I personally am left with a conviction that production is one part usage, one part dumb luck, and one part actual ability. I don't know the proportions of those parts, but I do know that I take raw production stats with a lot of salt. I believe they need to be broken down and compared to work out what's good and what's not. The ultimate example is Dominik Simon's 30 point pace over his first 2 and a bit NHL seasons, which seems to indicate reliable 3rd liner until you realise pretty much all of the point came from a freakish symbiosis with Sid that he couldn't do with anyone else.
I'd also question production being the thing that wins games. Teams scoring goals and preventing goals is what wins games. Production tells a tale on the first part of that, but not the whole tale.
I'm sure we can all think of goals where some of the guys getting points did absolutely nothing (whoever passed Sid the puck on that one handed backhander vs Buffalo got the easiest primary assist of their life) and goals where the vital play wasn't one of the last three passes (I can't think of actual goals but also Sid a lot) - not to mention all the stat padding games where guys turn 5-1 games into 6-1 in the 3rd. It's a useful measuring stick but imperfect.
It obviously does nothing to measure who's preventing goals.
It shouldn't be production vs analytics. It should be both, plus microstats and eye test and every other bit of info going. They're all flawed.
But production by itself without a ton of context is really flawed to me, and crucially, it looks like NHL GMs agree. If players were handing out big prices for guys with gaudy production all the time, it'd be different. But there's been numerous examples of guys who produce but little else not getting much value while tough reliable plays with okay numbers get the earth.
If the sight of Matt Murray winning two cups as a rookie, or Jordan Binnington winning one as a rookie shortly before his 26th birthday, didn't get them to be all on board with this, I'm not sure Adin Hill being the next example will do it.
Gurglesons
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Didn't we tried this last year playoff with spicy pork broccoli and some ECHLer kid backup?
It didn't work out that great though.
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Would be an awesome piece in Pittsburgh. This guy is all heart
Randy Butternubs
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Not enough Bunting since I think it's pretty much a given he's coming to Pittsburgh. And I'm not sure how I feel about spending that much on goaltending. But at least we've got a new goaltending duo.
Other than those two things, not much to complain about.
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...and the Brawla Brawla Sewitt
Well then Sid's just going to have to stop being such a Xenophobe and realize that it's Geno's turn to have Jake.
/sarcasm
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But they kind of do have an expensive goalie. He is just a snake charming lunatic and they used a loophole to bury him.
Tbf, there's a difference between going out there with a cheap inexperienced guy who's shown some NHL chops and going out there was a career back up trending down to AHLer. One's a gamble, the other is pure desperation.
If Dubas skipped out on Hyman because he thought he could get Bunting to do the same job for a lot less, skipping out on Bunting and making a bet on a new guy seems a logical thing to do.
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The Thrashers/Jets Franchise has been an utter black hole since they entered the league a quarter century ago.
And the Jets/Coyotes Franchise is STILL a black hole since they joined the NHL in the late 70's.
Winnipeg is cursed with awful hockey franchises, but at least they got one.
Randy Butternubs
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Not sure who this new guy would be but I'm for it. Saves some money for another hole in this current lineup.
Nothing concrete, just a major hunch I have. All GMs go with what they're familiar with. And Dubas knows Bunting from both SSM and the Leafs. He also provides a Kunitz/Hornqvist element that Dubas has apparently made reference to a few times. Plus the Pens have the money.
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I think Barb is thinking he's going to get closer to $6M vs 5, considering his playoff run
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