Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Honour Over Glory]

Trying to wade through this thread like…

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd prefer Barbashev's skill set if we are paying either 5 million.

In the last 2 years, Bunting has a 5v5 points/60 of 2.55 and has outproduced Nylander at 5v5. Barbashev is only at 2.2 5v5 points/60, which is still very good but not as good as Bunting.

I certainly see the appeal of Barbashev but I'd go with the higher producer in Bunting.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Bunting and Barbashev are both middle-6 guys imo. Market's going to dictate that they both get relatively comparable deals, I think, which probably settles around the $20 million over 4 years sorta ballpark.

Interchangeable players. Swap who is L2 and L3 depending on whichever is playing/producing better at the time.

Still have to solve the goalie issue, 3C spot, and dump Granlund, imo. But a haul of Bunting, Barbashev and Graves would be a nice start to reshaping this roster for one final run.

 

[Gurglesons]

In the last 2 years, Bunting has a 5v5 points/60 of 2.55 and has outproduced Nylander at 5v5. Barbashev is only at 2.2 5v5 points/60, which is still very good but not as good as Bunting.

I certainly see the appeal of Barbashev but I'd go with the higher producer in Bunting.

I think Barbashev brings a lot of what this team needs.

Releastically, I don't want either player at 5 milion.

 

[Andy99]

Bunting and Barbashev are both middle-6 guys imo. Market's going to dictate that they both get relatively comparable deals, I think, which probably settles around the $20 million over 4 years sorta ballpark.

Interchangeable players. Swap who is L2 and L3 depending on whichever is playing/producing better at the time.

Still have to solve the goalie issue, 3C spot, and dump Granlund, imo. But a haul of Bunting, Barbashev and Graves would be a nice start to reshaping this roster for one final run.

They’re both getting 5 year minimum terms and probably 6-year contracts

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

They’re both getting 5 year minimum terms and probably 6-year contracts

I thought you were a lawyer not a player agent.

 

[Andy99]

I thought you were a lawyer not a player agent.

We both deal with money…so same thing lol

 

[SEALBound]

@$5mil, Bunting vs Barbrashev is close. Ideally, both.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

We both deal with money…so same thing lol

None of us are doing anything more than kicking around ideas and spitballing. If they want five years, and Dubas thinks that they're the best he's gonna get for one last run at the Cup before Sid's deal is up, I imagine he'll give 'em five years.

f*** it. After Sid's contract is up, who gives a shit anymore?

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

None of us are doing anything more than kicking around ideas and spitballing. If they want five years, and Dubas thinks that they're the best he's gonna get for one last run at the Cup before Sid's deal is up, I imagine he'll give 'em five years.

f*** it. After Sid's contract is up, who gives a shit anymore?

f*** it dude, let's go bowling.

 

[Gurglesons]

@$5mil, Bunting vs Barbrashev is close. Ideally, both.

If Barbashev wins another cup, I don't really want to give him what effectively is his retirement contract.

 

[SEALBound]

If Barbashev wins another cup, I don't really want to give him what effectively is his retirement contract.

I mean, he checks A LOT of boxes for us. He'd be worth the $5mil for 2-3 years then...well we'd be in the gutter by then so who cares.

Realistically though, Bunting+Barbashev replacing Zucker+Granlund sounds really, really nice.

 

[Pancakes]

Bunting seems like an obvious guy to target given the Dubas connection but I wonder if we're discounting Zucker a little too easily.

I think if Zucker is willing to take something team friendly he might be back.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't see a reason to do both Bunting and Barbashev, you can get Connor Brown for L3 for probably a good $1.5 million a year less than either. Sign one for L2 and then have Brown be your "big" name acquisition for L3.

I'm going to scream about acquiring Connor Brown until someone else signs him. He's literally the perfect player to target to play on Sullivan's 3rd line. I think you can get him for something like the Tanev contract (long term at $3.5 million a year).

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Bunting seems like an obvious guy to target given the Dubas connection but I wonder if we're discounting Zucker a little too easily.

I think if Zucker is willing to take something team friendly he might be back.

Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially if Zucker isn't signed on day one of FA, and the team has the option to circle back around to get him at a lower cost than what the Barbashevs and Buntings are asking.

Team loves him, coach loves him, familiarity with linemates/system. I don't want him back, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him in a Pens jersey come October.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Bunting seems like an obvious guy to target given the Dubas connection but I wonder if we're discounting Zucker a little too easily.

I think if Zucker is willing to take something team friendly he might be back.

I honestly don't think there's an ounce of me that wants Zucker back at this point.

He's old (relative to the other options) and injury prone, and his upside isn't close to as good as it is with Bunting or Barbashev. I think what we saw last year with Zucker is the absolute best Zucker could give.

Jarry's the only guy I might want to bring back, and that would have to be for under $5 million a year.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I honestly don't think there's an ounce of me that wants Zucker back at this point.

He's old (relative to the other options) and injury prone, and his upside isn't close to as good as it is with Bunting or Barbashev. I think what we saw last year with Zucker is the absolute best Zucker could give.

Jarry's the only guy I might want to bring back, and that would have to be for under $5 million a year.

Agreed on Zucker. Jarry's trash.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't see a reason to do both Bunting and Barbashev, you can get Connor Brown for L3 for probably a good $1.5 million a year less than either. Sign one for L2 and then have Brown be your "big" name acquisition for L3.

I'm going to scream about acquiring Connor Brown until someone else signs him. He's literally the perfect player to target to play on Sullivan's 3rd line. I think you can get him for something like the Tanev contract (long term at $3.5 million a year).

I wanted him when the Caps got him.

Dubas connection too.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I'd prefer Barbashev's skill set if we are paying either 5 million.

I can't wait for the Pens to get Barbashev at that price, only for Sullivan to use him with Carter on the third line.

 

[Pancakes]

I honestly don't think there's an ounce of me that wants Zucker back at this point.

He's old (relative to the other options) and injury prone, and his upside isn't close to as good as it is with Bunting or Barbashev. I think what we saw last year with Zucker is the absolute best Zucker could give.

Jarry's the only guy I might want to bring back, and that would have to be for under $5 million a year.

Like you and @Big Friggin Dummy I'm not super interested in bringing Zucker back. That said, if he comes back cheap and for not too long, I'll live with it and hope he stays healthy.

If he wants to cash in or get tons of term, no thanks.

 

[Gurglesons]

I can't wait for the Pens to get Barbashev at that price, only for Sullivan to use him with Carter on the third line.

Barbashev's ideally a 3rd liner in my mind which is why I won't pay that kinda price.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I don't see a reason to do both Bunting and Barbashev, you can get Connor Brown for L3 for probably a good $1.5 million a year less than either. Sign one for L2 and then have Brown be your "big" name acquisition for L3.

I'm going to scream about acquiring Connor Brown until someone else signs him. He's literally the perfect player to target to play on Sullivan's 3rd line. I think you can get him for something like the Tanev contract (long term at $3.5 million a year).

I dont know if Brown is in the position to command a long-term contract. Cant see any team handing out term for a role player that just missed an entire season. Pens might be able to get him for just 2m x 1

 

[Gurglesons]

I dont know if Brown is in the position to command a long-term contract. Cant see any team handing out term for a role player that just missed an entire season. Pens might be able to get him for just 2m x 1

Same. But Brown was a top six forward before last year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I dont know if Brown is in the position to command a long-term contract. Cant see any team handing out term for a role player that just missed an entire season. Pens might be able to get him for just 2m x 1

I'd much rather give him a long term deal because you can likely get him for cheaper that way.

If he takes a 1 year deal to build up his value, I think he'd cost way more to sign next year than this year. I think you can get him for like $3.5 million a year now, but he'll cost more like $4.5 million or more if he's a free agent next off-season after a good year.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I'd much rather give him a long term deal because you can likely get him for cheaper that way.

If he takes a 1 year deal to build up his value, I think he'd cost way more to sign next year than this year. I think you can get him for like $3.5 million a year now, but he'll cost more like $4.5 million or more if he's a free agent next off-season after a good year.

Yeah thats fair but there really no telling how the ACL injury will impact him. IMO you take the cheap one year and go from there. Its unnecessary risk to saddle yourself to him if he doesnt bounce back.