Penguins quietly having their village burnt down with a fork in them AINEC

[markog]

This is pretty bad, wonder if they miss the playoffs for the first time since 05-06.

19/20*

 

[Jerkbait]

This is pretty bad, wonder if they miss the playoffs for the first time since 05-06.

They will. Too much competition in the east now and the metro. NJ improves. Buffalo. Detroit. Ottawa......its over in P burg

Good thing we have the Tank Commander Mike Sullivan for 3 more years.


Pens aren't slow. They play slow. It's a difference. The way the coach is utilizing the line up and playing the system has the team not confident in the style they're emplored to play. Speed wise they're not slow. When you second guess the system because it makes zero sense, you play slow because of hesitation. The team has that problem in spades and has been trending to that for well over 5 seasons.

Wrong. Foot speed is an issue. Malkin is not fast. Crosby and Letang have lost a step. Dumoulin is a brutal skater. Petry isn't quick. Pettersson isn't either. Rutta not a speed demon. POJ isn't makar. Jake is only above average. Rakall is choppy. Bleuger isn't going to win many races. Carter is 40 almost.

The real only players who would be considered really quick are kapanen who can't use his speed to any degree, and maybe rust who is in a slump. This isn't 2016 anymore ..when a fairly fast team played quick....now we have a below average foot speed team playing even slower

 

[BallardEra]

Lucky for the Pens they get to play a team that’s worse than them next game.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

It has been a bad slide but I don’t even judge what a team is or isn’t until around the 25 game mark. Until you’ve played that much hockey in an 82 game it’s impossible to tell who is a pretender and who is not. By no means does it look good… But I never get to invested in what the team will or won’t be till that point of the season.

 

[PaulD]

The Keyboard Expert Penguins Fans want to blame the coach or bottom 6 players but its on the superstars. Hard to do when you own their jerseys.

See #58 and #71 "effort" on the open net goal last night. See the 2 on 1 with Crosby and Malkin to up 3-0 with no shots.

The positioning is awful and high risk all over the ice. Certainly this isn't the "system". Its players failing to adapt to the system.

The special teams aren't on the coaching either. Its players not willing to shoot or block shots.

But this is the farewell tour fans wanted. Pittsburgh needed change. This is still a playoff team IMO.

Pens have lost 5 straight play off series
Lost 7 straight games.
It's time for change in Pittsburg. No Brainer.

Some people watch the game. Others chase stats.

Was he on the ice last night when the lead was blown? I wonder who made the lazy turnover.


People that post 100+ times during a game aren't really watching the game.

Guentzal made the lazy turn over.

 

[PaulD]

Petry must see this a just a repeat of season last season ha!

 

[The Tourist]

They might get it turned around but it doesn’t change that they’re probably the softest team in the league. Small and soft.

 

[Devils090]

Trade Guentzel to the Devils for Brendan Smith

 

[Pens x]

The Keyboard Expert Penguins Fans want to blame the coach or bottom 6 players but its on the superstars. Hard to do when you own their jerseys.

See #58 and #71 "effort" on the open net goal last night. See the 2 on 1 with Crosby and Malkin to up 3-0 with no shots.

The positioning is awful and high risk all over the ice. Certainly this isn't the "system". Its players failing to adapt to the system.

The special teams aren't on the coaching either. Its players not willing to shoot or block shots.

But this is the farewell tour fans wanted. Pittsburgh needed change. This is still a playoff team IMO.

Shocker, Sullivan’s number one fan boy isn’t blaming him for the poor play.

Who continues to play Dumo on the top pairing when he’s been awful? Who refuses to make any meaningful changes? Our special teams continue to be atrocious.

There are many reasons why we are playing poorly. It doesn’t help that our goalies have been awful.

It also doesn’t help that all of Hextall’s moves have blown up in his face, shockingly. Paying Kap $3.2 million was a joke. Donating Marino to New Jersey has been a disaster. Petry has played below expectations as well.

You arent getting rid of Sid, Tanger or Geno, so why not finally dump the coach that hasn’t won’t a playoff series in 5 years? Dude should have been canned after the Isles embarrassment in 2019, or 2020 when we lost to the 24th best team.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

They will. Too much competition in the east now and the metro. NJ improves. Buffalo. Detroit. Ottawa......its over in P burg

Wrong. Foot speed is an issue. Malkin is not fast. Crosby and Letang have lost a step. Dumoulin is a brutal skater. Petry isn't quick. Pettersson isn't either. Rutta not a speed demon. POJ isn't makar. Jake is only above average. Rakall is choppy. Bleuger isn't going to win many races. Carter is 40 almost.

The real only players who would be considered really quick are kapanen who can't use his speed to any degree, and maybe rust who is in a slump. This isn't 2016 anymore ..when a fairly fast team played quick....now we have a below average foot speed team playing even slower

Your name suggests I will skip replying.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

They might get it turned around but it doesn’t change that they’re probably the softest team in the league. Small and soft.

Just how Sullivan likes it.

 

[66-30-33]

Trade Guentzel to the Devils for Brendan Smith

You want Rust at 50% too?

 

[ronduguayshair]

Shocker, Sullivan’s number one fan boy isn’t blaming him for the poor play.

Who continues to play Dumo on the top pairing when he’s been awful? Who refuses to make any meaningful changes? Our special teams continue to be atrocious.

There are many reasons why we are playing poorly. It doesn’t help that our goalies have been awful.

It also doesn’t help that all of Hextall’s moves have blown up in his face, shockingly. Paying Kap $3.2 million was a joke. Donating Marino to New Jersey has been a disaster. Petry has played below expectations as well.

You arent getting rid of Sid, Tanger or Geno, so why not finally dump the coach that hasn’t won’t a playoff series in 5 years? Dude should have been canned after the Isles embarrassment in 2019, or 2020 when we lost to the 24th best team.

It's everyone's favorite hindsight hero. You're just all outraged posts all the time. I question why you're even a fan. When you actually go to the games (I am a season ticket holder after all) no one is as negative as a lot of the posters here who have zero financial investment towards the team. Its because the season ticket holders understand the long game.

Who are you getting to replace Sullivan?

All complaints. No solutions. Celebrate the cups. Trash the lean years. Complain the team should be managed like the Philadelphia Flyers (who haven't won a thing in my lifetime).

 

[Pens x]

It's everyone's favorite hindsight hero. You're just all outraged posts all the time. I question why you're even a fan. When you actually go to the games (I am a season ticket holder after all) no one is as negative as a lot of the posters here who have zero financial investment towards the team. Its because the season ticket holders understand the long game.

Who are you getting to replace Sullivan?

All complaints. No solutions. Celebrate the cups. Trash the lean years. Complain the team should be managed like the Philadelphia Flyers (who haven't won a thing in my lifetime).

You’ve been using the “who will replace Sully” excuse for years. It’s crazy that teams have found coaches over the last four years, because according to you, there are no viable solutions out there - so stick with Sully.

And I’m not captain hindsight. Go back through my posts to see that I thought the Kap extension was foolish, the DeSmith signing was foolish, and acquiring another 35 year old dman was idiotic. (I was wrong about McGinn - I liked that signing at the time)

Are you suggesting that Sullivan is better for our team than every coach hired since 2019, when he should have been let go?

Keeping him another day if foolish if your only justification is that you are afraid of who will replace him.

 

[ronduguayshair]

Pens have lost 5 straight play off series
Lost 7 straight games.
It's time for change in Pittsburg. No Brainer.


Guentzal made the lazy turn over.

Malkin's lazy turnover (x3) occurred at 3-2 against Buffalo resulting in 3-3. Typically that's when the lead is lost. Not sure your confusion other than switching the narrative.


The penguins needed change with the roster (not signing Malkin and Letang). Now "fans" are blaming the coaching for stuff like the power play when its the same players on the unit.

The players on that power play are going to do what they want. Very little has to do with coaching for better or worse.

 

[ronduguayshair]

You’ve been using the “who will replace Sully” excuse for years. It’s crazy that teams have found coaches over the last four years, because according to you, there are no viable solutions out there - so stick with Sully.

And I’m not captain hindsight. Go back through my posts to see that I thought the Kap extension was foolish, the DeSmith signing was foolish, and acquiring another 35 year old dman was idiotic. (I was wrong about McGinn - I liked that signing at the time)

Are you suggesting that Sullivan is better for our team than every coach hired since 2019, when he should have been let go?

Keeping him another day if foolish if your only justification is that you are afraid of who will replace him.

There's has been reasons to replace Sullivan for sure but the posters here can only state and complain about lines and rosters.

If someone wants to learn positioning and x's and o's of his system then that could be a discussion in the future.


If you were in charge this organization would be the Philly Flyers. Amateur EA Sports management.

 

[Pens x]

There's has been reasons to replace Sullivan for sure but the posters here can only state and complain about lines and rosters.

If someone wants to learn positioning and x's and o's of his system then that could be a discussion in the future.


If you were in charge this organization would be the Philly Flyers. Amateur EA Sports management.

So, you just said there have been reasons to replace Sully. Why are we even arguing??? We both agree.

 

[Coastal Kev]

You want Rust at 50% too?

That's an awful return, but I would look into trading Jake, his return will never be any higher. Of course Hextall would be the one making the trade.

 

[ronduguayshair]

So, you just said there have been reasons to replace Sully. Why are we even arguing??? We both agree.

We're not arguing you just felt the need to say the same thing you always do over and over again for attention.

Congrats.


People need to get it through their heads that the core isn't good anymore. And we kept them all.

This is the fallout. Very little to do with coaching.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

You want Rust at 50% too?

No way, gotta give them Rust at 95% off for the rights to Mike Rupps old Devils gear for Crosby's memorabilia room.

 

[PaulD]

Malkin's lazy turnover (x3) occurred at 3-2 against Buffalo resulting in 3-3. Typically that's when the lead is lost. Not sure your confusion other than switching the narrative.


The penguins needed change with the roster (not signing Malkin and Letang). Now "fans" are blaming the coaching for stuff like the power play when its the same players on the unit.

The players on that power play are going to do what they want. Very little has to do with coaching for better or worse.

In your opinion

However both can be true ...... I hear Pens fans making as good a case or better for Sullivan to go. He may not be THE problem....but he sure as he'll ain't the solution.
Look around the league and witness team after team enjoying the success with the "the new voice" by simply changing coaches.
Sullivan's shelf life burned out long ago.
Ya think Malkin and Letang shouldn't have been retained ok.......throw Sullivan in there too.

 

[ronduguayshair]

Now that we've back ourselves into a corner with the roster, let's make a lazy decision. Fire Sullivan.

This farewell tour will just have a new band leader.

 

[ronduguayshair]

For those who have not been paying attention here's what the "fans" the keyboard experts, have against Sullivan.

These are in order of chronic poster outrage. Level headed fan opinion listed in parenthesis. I personally don't have favorite players or jerseys. I do have season tickets however.

1. Not catering to the second line center. Not putting Rust on Line 2. (#71 is allowed to elevate the players around him. Enough of the excuses. That's what he's paid to do.)

2. Not benching Dumoulin soon enough. (Every organization would let a warrior or vet work himself out of a slump like they're doing. He'll get dropped down soon enough. He's fading everyone knows it. Just not everyone is making reactionary decisions to lose the locker room).

3. Not playing minor league obsessions. (Where would these players fit? Aren't these borderline prospects to begin with? Isn't your problem with the roster not the coach? )

4. Misuse of McGinn and Kapanen. (Both players have been give opportunities to excel and have failed. Why is this the coache's fault? Kapanen looks lost. Giving more PK duties. Sucked. Not Sullivan's fault. He's benched Kapanen before and that didn't work).

5. Powerplay Sucks! (Yeah it is Sullivan's plan for both of our trigger guys not to shoot the puck. )

6. First round knockouts. (Everyone's to blame here. If you wanted to blame Sullivan for not changing his gameplan to plan B or having a game plan that doesn't tire out the team during the season I have time for that discussion. There's never that discussion though. Plus I don't think the players would change anyway.)

 

[Pens x]

Now that we've back ourselves into a corner with the roster, let's make a lazy decision. Fire Sullivan.

This farewell tour will just have a new band leader.

The “lazy decision” was not firing Sully in 2019 and 2020 because ownership had the same inept opinion as you - who can we hire to replace the mighty Mike Sullivan?

The even dumber decision was extending this moron this summer when he still had two seasons left on his contract.

 

[Pens x]

For those who have not been paying attention here's what the "fans" the keyboard experts, have against Sullivan.

These are in order of chronic poster outrage. Level headed fan opinion listed in parenthesis. I personally don't have favorite players or jerseys. I do have season tickets however.

2. Not benching Dumoulin soon enough. (Every organization would let a warrior or vet work himself out of a slump like they're doing. He'll get dropped down soon enough. He's fading everyone knows it. Just not everyone is making reactionary decisions to lose the locker room).

3. Not playing minor league obsessions. (Where would these players fit? Aren't these borderline prospects to begin with? Isn't your problem with the roster not the coach? )

5. Powerplay Sucks! (Yeah it is Sullivan's plan for both of our trigger guys not to shoot the puck. )

6. First round knockouts. (Everyone's to blame here. If you wanted to blame Sullivan for not changing his gameplan to plan B or having a game plan that doesn't tire out the team during the season I have time for that discussion. There's never that discussion though. Plus I don't think the players would change anyway.)

You act like Dumo’s play started becoming an issue a week ago. The wheels have been falling off for quite some time. You keep him on the top pairing to not lose the locker room? You know what can make you lose the locker room, losing 7 straight.

The power play is atrocious. Why aren’t we trying Zucker instead of Rust? Why is Sullivan allergic to change?

Sullivan will stick with complete turds like Janikowski, Simon, Sceviour but refuse to give anyone under the age of 28 a chance.

The first round playoff flame outs arent all his fault, but he was dumbied against the Isles and Canadians. Goaltending has been an issue as of late, but our special teams also killed us against the Rangers. The goaltending excuse covered a lot of the coaches’ warts.

Hextall has been awful too. This is also on him. Both need to go asap.

However, FSG seemingly only bought this team for the real estate opportunities, and don’t seem to care how the team is run. Both of their jobs are sadly safe.