Gurglesons
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There is nothing funnier than watching Granlund crush it while we miss the playoffs and Penguins writers saying “Granlund would’ve not gotten those minutes here”..
Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach
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DesertedPenguin
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I mean, he is playing almost 21 minutes per game. It's over two minutes more than he was in Nashville prior to being traded and if he stays at the current rate, it would actually be a career high.
It's about fit. He's the primary playmaker for San Jose's second line between Duclair and Zetterlund (at least until Duclair got hurt tonight), and is eating heavy power play and PK minutes.
I think Granlund needs to be the play driver on a top six line, and that wasn't going to happen with Crosby and Malkin on the Pens. He's not a complementary figure on a line with Sid or Geno.
Gurglesons
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I’m shocked you are trying to rationalize it.
We used Granlund as a bottom six, defensive PKer.
It was f***ing almost as dumb as acquiring the guy.
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I mean, maybe adjust the lines so Granlund actually played regularly in the top six instead of using him like he's 2009 Jordan Staal?
But that would require admitting Sullivan did a shitty job of using players in their strengths instead of pigeon holing them into a role/type of player HE wants them to be.
DesertedPenguin
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Because he wasn't better than the top six. He should've never been acquired. There was never a fit here regardless of who the coach was.
Even now, he still only has three goals for SJ. His points are all assists. This team needed and maybe still needs scorers, not table setters.
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
Agree with all of that but... how many chances did Sully give him with Sid?
Did he even clock a minute on Sid's wing during his time here?
End of the day I'm not going to cry about Granny (one of the worst team fits in Penguins history) but it's on the head coach to make due with what you have. Deploying Granlund as a 3rd line, d-zone specialist center was just laughable.
HandshakeLine
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DesertedPenguin
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He got a few chances with Geno and looked lost away from the puck.
Look, if people want to complain about Sullivan's use of McCann or someone useful, fine.
But to retroactively blame Sullivan for Granlund's passive play and poor fit is just ridiculous. He never, ever should have been a Penguin. Not at $5 million, not at $1 million. It is one of the worst trades in Penguins history, and no coach would have found a proper use for him on last year's team.
And frankly, if Granlund wasn't on the worst team in the league, he's probably not even producing this much, and I say that while pointing out Granlund has as many goals this year as Zohorna in considerably better opportunities. But now he's "crushing it" and deserving of top six minutes.
Give me a friggin break.
It was mentioned other teams that scored 10 on Sharks if you removed those goals would have a similarly worse differential and it wasn't true, the Penguins are the only team in the positive because of that game.
We should trade Crosby for picks and prospects, package him and Jake together and load up on firsts and top prospects.
We won back 2 back, why try for another.
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Other teams like Tampa also have blowouts vs bad teams and they're still negative. (Including against the Sharks)
You can take any team's biggest win to make this point.
Imagine thinking a player that has been on this pace 3x in his career and most recently 2021-22, with a career average of 53pts is fluking out.
You also bitched about why I was high on Puustinen and suddenly no shit about that while he was great in the last game, set up a goal again in his call up, was fine at both ends etc...
Granlund btw was suddenly being used like Eller and he's not that player. Imagine a player that has never played with 33% Oz starts and 67% dz starts, suffered. That's like being mad water is wet, literally no player has thrived and produced the way they should in Sullivan's idea of the bottom 6.
Why are you acting so f***ing brand new about this?
The most successful bottom 6 C in the Sullivan era after the 2 cups, is Jeff Carter with 45pts and then Riley Sheahan with 32 in 71 games. Since then it's been an epic struggle and Carter only did well that one year before Sullivan decided to over play him to death given his age. Even last year it was bad, Blueger was beat to death with usage and played like he didn't know what offense was, Carter was bad more than good and some streaks propped up his stats to ok levels overall.
Sullivan uses the bottom 6 in the old school way. The way that we liked is what Tocchet is doing in Vancouver which should tell you everything you f***ing need to know for who decided to utilize the bottom 6 the way we liked in those 2 cups. Because since then it's been turned into the check only and magically create offense usage.
Tampa has been just as up and down as the Pens. Doesn't prove any point. Tampa knows they have issues, Cooper has lost his shit about it. They were missing their #1 for a bit and he's figuring out his vezina form in season.
Sullivan just acts as if it's not his fault.
The Pens have actually had decent goaltending, no rational person can blame goaltending as any issue this season. K12 Kyle did well there, but this coach and his putrid system being a major issue yet again, frustrating to see it get ignored yet again.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Coaching is really hard, totally a real job and not just a make-work gig for washed up 4th liners.
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Also to add - Granlund has literally had respectable numbers on 3 out of the 4 teams he's played on, 56pt average in Minnesota, 50pt average in Nashville, then comes to Pittsburgh with different usage (shock to no one that's paid attention) with a 20pt pace, now in San Jose he's on a 70pt pace.
The irony of this is that you can't use "Oh his shooting percentage is way too high and will level out" - he has 3 goals. He's setting up goals. 15 assists, doing his playmaker thing.
He's not benefiting by puck luck with shooting, he's creating goals for his teammates with plays. That isn't some fluke when you see that roster, that's not easy to do at all and it's more of the Granlund I was a fan of on the Wild. That's the thing, bitch all you lot want with your typical jilted ex bullshit hate for ex pens that some didn't like but this is closer to the Granlund that was with the Wild, this isn't some unheard of version of him thats never been seen. It has. More than any hater wants to admit.
What's next? Lafferty fluked in Chicago, Toronto and Vancouver? Lol...
Even Pearson struggled hard because Sullivan had no idea the type of player he was, very typical of Mike Sullivan to not use players the way they've succeed for most of their careers before coming to the Pens. He put up what, 14pts in 45 games? He bounced back with Vancouver before a mangled broken bone and infection had him out for a year and worried he would never play with his kids normally.
Sullivan f***ing sucks. How the f*** is anyone blaming players still given the info that's been piling up. The system sucks, the usage of players sucks, the positions they're put into to "succeed" in Sullivan's mind is basically setting them up to fail. I would be shocked if Puustinen was used in any meaningful way in the next game. Hell him playing 2 straight games is shocking to me. Being +3 with 2 assists in 2 career games while playing solid at both ends and engaged each shift is useless apparently..
The irony of this is that you can't use "Oh his shooting percentage is way too high and will level out" - he has 3 goals. He's setting up goals. 15 assists, doing his playmaker thing.
He's not benefiting by puck luck with shooting, he's creating goals for his teammates with plays. That isn't some fluke when you see that roster, that's not easy to do at all and it's more of the Granlund I was a fan of on the Wild. That's the thing, bitch all you lot want with your typical jilted ex bullshit hate for ex pens that some didn't like but this is closer to the Granlund that was with the Wild, this isn't some unheard of version of him thats never been seen. It has. More than any hater wants to admit.
What's next? Lafferty fluked in Chicago, Toronto and Vancouver? Lol...
Even Pearson struggled hard because Sullivan had no idea the type of player he was, very typical of Mike Sullivan to not use players the way they've succeed for most of their careers before coming to the Pens. He put up what, 14pts in 45 games? He bounced back with Vancouver before a mangled broken bone and infection had him out for a year and worried he would never play with his kids normally.
Sullivan f***ing sucks. How the f*** is anyone blaming players still given the info that's been piling up. The system sucks, the usage of players sucks, the positions they're put into to "succeed" in Sullivan's mind is basically setting them up to fail. I would be shocked if Puustinen was used in any meaningful way in the next game. Hell him playing 2 straight games is shocking to me. Being +3 with 2 assists in 2 career games while playing solid at both ends and engaged each shift is useless apparently..
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I personally don't get it - When players get traded or sign elsewhere, I am mostly just hoping they don't go to a team I don't like (Flyers, Caps, Jackets, etc), I don't talk about how much they suck and what not, if there is any comments about that, it's always tied to "Watch *so and so* do better elsewhere with usage that understands the player better" or along those lines.
But to actively shit on players as much as lot of you do, such petty shit. Like Lafferty is only doing well because he was on a shitty team in Chicago getting usage he would never get anywhere else, the irony of that is that is exactly what you want players to get in the AHL to grow and he got a chance to do that at the NHL level where he needed that guidance for growth and it worked and he's continued to succeed.
The issue I take is that Sullivan has consistently misused players based on their previous experience and what made them good enough to go after in the first place. It's like he throws out the scouting on a player and figures his own scouting of the player is far more important which is usually 100% misguided scouting. There's more than enough proof of that.
But to actively shit on players as much as lot of you do, such petty shit. Like Lafferty is only doing well because he was on a shitty team in Chicago getting usage he would never get anywhere else, the irony of that is that is exactly what you want players to get in the AHL to grow and he got a chance to do that at the NHL level where he needed that guidance for growth and it worked and he's continued to succeed.
The issue I take is that Sullivan has consistently misused players based on their previous experience and what made them good enough to go after in the first place. It's like he throws out the scouting on a player and figures his own scouting of the player is far more important which is usually 100% misguided scouting. There's more than enough proof of that.
Why is Sullivan still the coach of the Penguins with a .481 record at the bottom of the standings? I understand the Pens can give the guy some chances because of the 2 cups, i get it, i do get it... BUT THATS FREAKIN 8 YEARS AGO!!!!! Fast forward 6 years after the last cup with only one series win back in 2018... this team is at the bottom of the standings and they are worst year after year. They need a pulse and a change fast.
pistolpete11
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I honestly wonder how much was Sullivan being blind to what was happening and how much of it was a power struggle between himself and Hextall. He clearly wants the 2 scoring lines and 2 defensive lines and the players he was getting did not fit that, so maybe he was fine tanking the team to get the type of players he wants. I mean who's ownership going to side with? A 2x Cup champion coach? Or an emergency GM hire?
66-30-33
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Hire Sully as GM and part owner and head coach, re-sign him 10 years.
Gurglesons
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So we tried to force a fit rather than playing him in a spot where he succeeded.
It also recently came out that Granlund divorced his wife during the time he was traded.
Sullivan did Granlund no favors to find success here. Granlund was successful a year prior to last year and seemingly this year in a top six role.
Just really poor roster management.
Has anyone looked at the change in system by the coach and his lack of wingers before jumping to a conclusion? He doesn’t get the help he needs…I don’t think he just woke up at Game 7 and suddenly was old
Taylor reporting that Dubas will speak after practice today…I wish someone would ask him why the coaching staff hasn’t been canned yet lol…
MrBrightside
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Let's see:
1. We are very disappointed and need to be better.
2. We are confident in the coaching staff we have and the roster we have.
3. We continue to explore all options to improve this roster.
Crosby will only get traded if he wants to be and to the team of his choosing they wouldn't trade away the pieces your suggesting when they know they are only team that dubas can make a deal with
From Taylor…practice updates…no wonder the PP sucks…you have to practice against opposing PKers lol
• Practice is underway. Lars Eller is the only healthy player absent. P.O Joseph and Chad Ruhwedel are again full participants. No sign of injured players Matt Nieto, Noel Acciari, Bryan Rust, Rickard Rakell. I was here early and didn't see any of them skate beforehand.
• Also no sign of Jesse Puljujarvi, still on a professional tryout contract. Could be a scheduled day off as part of the return to play process.
• Going right into power play work after some skills work.
PP1: Erik Karlsson, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jake Guentzel, Valtteri Puustinen.
• PP2: Kris Letang, Jeff Carter, Vinnie Hinostroza, Jansen Harkins, Reilly Smith
• They're working on the power play first without any penalty-killers. Baby steps.
• Practice is underway. Lars Eller is the only healthy player absent. P.O Joseph and Chad Ruhwedel are again full participants. No sign of injured players Matt Nieto, Noel Acciari, Bryan Rust, Rickard Rakell. I was here early and didn't see any of them skate beforehand.
• Also no sign of Jesse Puljujarvi, still on a professional tryout contract. Could be a scheduled day off as part of the return to play process.
• Going right into power play work after some skills work.
PP1: Erik Karlsson, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jake Guentzel, Valtteri Puustinen.
• PP2: Kris Letang, Jeff Carter, Vinnie Hinostroza, Jansen Harkins, Reilly Smith
• They're working on the power play first without any penalty-killers. Baby steps.
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