Icarium
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Sullivan probably thinks Guentzel is one of them.
Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach
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I see the defensive fancy stats of ZAR without the offensive vigor of ZAR. Him being on the PP is funny #jagsfan funny.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
see, i find that kinda depressing, personally.
at least steve mckenna was big and on the PP.
DrDangles
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Get Hornqvist a job teaching big Z how to play the netfront on the PP
Gurglesons
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I was listening to a analytics podcast (The PDO Cast) the other day and the host totally butchered ZAR and said his stat profile was complete bullshit if you watched him play.
Made my dead heart glow.
From Taylor…
• P.O Joseph is on the ice for practice in a regular jersey. First time he's been in a full practice since his injury. He did take part in the optional morning skate yesterday.
• Everyone healthy is on the ice and accounted for at practice, plus Joseph.
• Same lines and pairings. Joseph is skating on an extra defense pairing with Dmitri Samorukov:
Jake Guentzel - Sidney Crosby - Bryan Rust
Reilly Smith - Evgeni Malkin - Drew O'Connor
Jansen Harkins - Lars Eller - Radim Zohorna
Matt Nieto - Noel Acciari - Jeff Carter
(Vinnie Hinostroza)
Ryan Graves - Kris Letang
Marcus Pettersson - Erik Karlsson
Ryan Shea - John Ludvig
(P.O Joseph - Dmitri Samorukov)
• Mostly five-on-five work so far. Now they're moving onto six-on-five drills.
• Samorukov scores off a slap shot at six on five. Rust, observing from the neutral zone: "He's hot today."
• Moving onto power play work now. The units:
PP1: Erik Karlsson, Sidney Crosby, Jake Guentzel, Evgeni Malkin, Rust
PP2: Kris Letang, Jansen Harkins, Jeff Carter, Reilly Smith, Lars Eller
Eller on the second unit is a change. He replaced Radim Zohorna, who is working with one of the penalty-killing units.
• P.O Joseph is on the ice for practice in a regular jersey. First time he's been in a full practice since his injury. He did take part in the optional morning skate yesterday.
• Everyone healthy is on the ice and accounted for at practice, plus Joseph.
• Same lines and pairings. Joseph is skating on an extra defense pairing with Dmitri Samorukov:
Jake Guentzel - Sidney Crosby - Bryan Rust
Reilly Smith - Evgeni Malkin - Drew O'Connor
Jansen Harkins - Lars Eller - Radim Zohorna
Matt Nieto - Noel Acciari - Jeff Carter
(Vinnie Hinostroza)
Ryan Graves - Kris Letang
Marcus Pettersson - Erik Karlsson
Ryan Shea - John Ludvig
(P.O Joseph - Dmitri Samorukov)
• Mostly five-on-five work so far. Now they're moving onto six-on-five drills.
• Samorukov scores off a slap shot at six on five. Rust, observing from the neutral zone: "He's hot today."
• Moving onto power play work now. The units:
PP1: Erik Karlsson, Sidney Crosby, Jake Guentzel, Evgeni Malkin, Rust
PP2: Kris Letang, Jansen Harkins, Jeff Carter, Reilly Smith, Lars Eller
Eller on the second unit is a change. He replaced Radim Zohorna, who is working with one of the penalty-killing units.
AuroraBorealis
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No idea why we're not reuniting our excellent L3. Put Hinostroza with Malkin?
This coach annoys me. He's so bad now. God.
Why Harkins and Carter are in over Hino is one of life’s true mysteries…should be a PBS series…
Big Friggin Dummy
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He was hurt and had a maintenance day like a week or two ago…don’t know what’s going on there….if he was IR worthy why didn’t they put him on IR? Also he appears to be practicing with the team, which doesn’t scream injury
AuroraBorealis
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We have a 6GF-3GA 3rd line we stopped using.
Like, IDGAF if we have a top 4 winger hurt. Call up an offensively inclined Forward to use with Malkin?
Pitlick, Puustinen, or keep trying Nylander to see if he breaks through. It's not like Smith was helping them out too much.
And yeah, I have noooo idea why Harkins is back here. And clearly Hinostroza is ready now too.
Empoleon8771
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Hinostroza is getting scratched because he was the primary cause of the game losing goal against Buffalo last week.
I'm watching a replay of the goal right now. The game was 2-2 with about 3 minutes left, and Letang hit him with a pass that Hinostroza bobbled and then got easily pushed aside by a Buffalo defender. Hinostroza then had a chance at getting the loose puck after getting up, but he then got easily pushed aside by a Buffalo forward. He then just stood around and watched the play, while another Buffalo forward was standing in the slot uncovered. That Buffalo forward scored the game winning goal. You can also argue that was Zohorna's man, but Hinostroza screwed up so many times on that short sequence that he's easily the most responsible player for that goal against IMO.
When the bottom-6's job is to "don't lose them games", what Hinostroza did on that shift is going to lose him a spot in the lineup.
This was the replay of the goal. I completely understand why Sullivan won't play him anymore after this play, and I'm someone who was a big fan of what Hinostroza did when he first came up.
I'm watching a replay of the goal right now. The game was 2-2 with about 3 minutes left, and Letang hit him with a pass that Hinostroza bobbled and then got easily pushed aside by a Buffalo defender. Hinostroza then had a chance at getting the loose puck after getting up, but he then got easily pushed aside by a Buffalo forward. He then just stood around and watched the play, while another Buffalo forward was standing in the slot uncovered. That Buffalo forward scored the game winning goal. You can also argue that was Zohorna's man, but Hinostroza screwed up so many times on that short sequence that he's easily the most responsible player for that goal against IMO.
When the bottom-6's job is to "don't lose them games", what Hinostroza did on that shift is going to lose him a spot in the lineup.
This was the replay of the goal. I completely understand why Sullivan won't play him anymore after this play, and I'm someone who was a big fan of what Hinostroza did when he first came up.
Scratching a guy with at least some offensive upside to play turds like Carter and Nieto is classic Sully
Empoleon8771
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I honestly get the vibe that most people here have never played for an actual hockey team in their lives. What Hinostroza did on that play gets any depth player at any level scratched.
Would I prefer Hinostroza over Carter? Yeah, obviously. But I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and claim "I have no idea why Sullivan is scratching Hinostroza" when I can see easily why Sullivan is scratching Hinostroza.
I also don't understand why this place sometimes gets mad at Sullivan for not holding players accountable when they screw up, but also sometimes gets mad at Sullivan for holding players this place likes accountable.
Icarium
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Maybe one shouldn't expect bottom-sixers to play mistake-free hockey in the first place.
Last season Carter (and other players but he was the biggest culprit) made plays like that in pretty much every game and didn't get scratch, so you don't have to have played any hockey to realize how false this claim is.
I've played ice hockey since I was 5 so take that weak shit elsewhere.
How many awful AWFUL games has Carter had over the past season + and it took like what...almost 100 of those for him to finally get scratched this season? And yet Sullivan is swift to put him back into the lineup the very first chance he gets.
I'm not one of those who thinks that firing Sullivan is some magic bullet by the way. I think this team might be doomed no matter what it does. But I think it's insane that the Pens are willing to punt two seasons with Sully at the helm. Imo you have to at least try something after a season and a half of struggling.
Gurglesons
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If you didn't know Empo played the game.
Harkins is a shittier ZAR. No wonder Sully loves him.
Harkins is a shittier ZAR. No wonder Sully loves him.
Empoleon8771
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I like how I posted this and then immediately got 2 replies of "what about Jeff Carter????????".
The problem with the statement of "he's punishing Hinostroza while he didn't punish Carter for the same thing" is "he didn't punish Carter", not "he's punishing Hinostroza". If you're going to complain about Sullivan not being consistent with how he keeps players accountable, at least take up the stance of "he should be punishing everyone more" instead of "he shouldn't be punishing Hinostroza because he didn't punish Carter".
Sullivan not scratching Carter for those mistakes last year was a mistake because Carter should have been scratched. Sullivan correctly scratching Hinostroza for those mistakes now isn't suddenly a wrong decision just because Sullivan has made other wrong decisions.
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He shouldn't be punishing anyone. He should be putting the roster on the ice that gives the team the best chance to win, which is what he consistently tells the media that he's trying to do. And despite Hinostroza making one bad mistake, it's abundantly clear that we're better off with him in the lineup than Carter.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Because Sullivan only holds some players accountable hence the irritation when he ignores shitty play elsewhere in the lineup. This is pretty clear, Emp and if you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.
Gurglesons
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Yep. Build a roster based on the roster's strengths. That's what successful coaches do.
They don't try to build a roster's strengths based on their own system.
Empoleon8771
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And holding players accountable who are currently playing poorly is how you do that.
You're tying Carter and Hinostroza together here because Carter sucks. The reality is that neither of them should be playing, Carter because he should be in a retirement home and Hinostroza because he caused the game winning goal due to his horrible play in an awful loss for the team.
If they're going to keep Hinostroza from not playing, they should just send him to WBS and call up someone like Gruden to play everyday. Carter shouldn't be playing period, but not holding depth guys accountable because "we don't want to play Carter" isn't the solution to that.
Because Sullivan only holds some players accountable hence the irritation when he ignores shitty play elsewhere in the lineup. This is pretty clear, Emp and if you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.
Icarium
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He shouldn't be punishing anyone for one sequence, even if it led to a decisive goal. Carter is merely the most egregious example, there have been many other bottom-sixers playing under Sully (or, you know, every coach in the freaking NHL for that matter) who weren't scratched after mistakes like that. Making it sound like Sully had no choice in this instance and everyone would have done the same is absurd.
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