Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach

[AuroraBorealis]

The Flyers are better to start the season than the Pens…don’t sleep on them…they’ll be 3-0 after beating the Oilers tonight and are higher than the Pens in the standings…people don’t appreciate how young legs and solid goaltending can count for a lot, unlike the Pens’ old legs and shaky goaltending lol

3-1. They lost to Ottawa.

Philly doesn't scare me. They started 4-1-0 last year.
Dallas, Vegas, Carolina, Minnesota coming up for them this month. Gonna be a quick reality check imo.

 

[Andy99]

3-1. They lost to Ottawa.

Philly doesn't scare me. They started 4-1-0 last year.
Dallas, Vegas, Carolina, Minnesota coming up for them this month. Gonna be a quick reality check imo.

Ottawa is really good…next NJD…we’ll be losing to them pretty soon lol…we also play Dallas and the Avs who killed us last season…wouldn’t surprise me if the Flyers were above us in the standings for the rest of this month, maybe this season…I havent thought much of our playoff chances even after we got EK…I think I was one of the few here who voted they wouldnt make the playoffs

 

[tom_servo]

Ottawa is really good…next NJD…we’ll be losing to them pretty soon lol…we also play Dallas and the Avs who killed us last season…wouldn’t surprise me if the Flyers were above us in the standings for the rest of this month, maybe this season…I havent thought much of our playoff chances even after we got EK…I think I was one of the few here who voted they wouldnt make the playoffs

You look at the season schedule and every game think "uh oh, not these guys"

 

[66-30-33]

Ottawa is really good…next NJD…we’ll be losing to them pretty soon lol…we also play Dallas and the Avs who killed us last season…wouldn’t surprise me if the Flyers were above us in the standings for the rest of this month, maybe this season…I havent thought much of our playoff chances even after we got EK…I think I was one of the few here who voted they wouldnt make the playoffs

If you miss the playoffs 2 years in a row with that roster something is wrong, we just got Karlsson and Smith added for next to nothing.

 

[Andy99]

If you miss the playoffs 2 years in a row with that roster something is wrong, we just got Karlsson and Smith added for next to nothing.

Something is wrong: our best players are really old…we’ve surrounded them with 30 somethings…we need young talent: Dawson Mercer, Seth Jarvis…we need a better goalie than Jarry…and we need a different coach lol

 

[tom_servo]

Something is wrong: our best players are really old…we’ve surrounded them with 30 somethings…we need young talent: Dawson Mercer, Seth Jarvis…we need a better goalie than Jarry…and we need a different coach lol

We are the oldest team in the league. And yet age is not our problem. It's depth. And I think it's just been a natural consequence of contending and letting some of the wrong players go.

You add a couple effective guys at Karlsson's age and I'm not worried at all. 35+ it becomes an issue for non elites.

Agree with you on Jarry. Maybe they can put a tandem together.

 

[66-30-33]

Something is wrong: our best players are really old…we’ve surrounded them with 30 somethings…we need young talent: Dawson Mercer, Seth Jarvis…we need a better goalie than Jarry…and we need a different coach lol

While they are really old, they are still better then a lot of the league and now they have the best wingers they have had in their careers here and have what should be a good top 4 D. We aint getting young talent, we got a few years left so we are going out with our canes in 1 hand and hockey sticks in our other. This is probably us until the end but if we miss again? No words...

 

[Andy99]

While they are really old, they are still better then a lot of the league and now they have the best wingers they have had in their careers here and have what should be a good top 4 D. We aint getting young talent, we got a few years left so we are going out with our canes in 1 hand and hockey sticks in our other. This is probably us until the end but if we miss again? No words...

Father Time is undefeated…Sid and Geno are still really good players and I enjoy watching them but there’s a reason (in addition to the coach lol) why we can’t maintain O zone possession, get to pucks compared to younger teams, and are not able play a good game for 60 min (only 40)..I’ll be surprised if they do anything this season

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Apparently @Empoleon8771 needs an off day thread to discuss Penguins talk. I guess since this is technically a hockey forum we will allow it.

Obligatory Penguins gifs:

I hate your thread title, wanker.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Father Time is undefeated…Sid and Geno are still really good players and I enjoy watching them but there’s a reason (in addition to the coach lol) why we can’t maintain O zone possession, get to pucks compared to younger teams, and are not able play a good game for 60 min (only 40)..I’ll be surprised if they do anything this season

Systems/style of play has more to do with that.

I'm watching Joe Pavelski play like a usual beast in a system that he's able to fit into and work with at his age, he's older than both Sid And Geno.

Difference?

Dallas plays youth in advantageous ways, tries new things and isn't afraid of that. Sure they have their warts too but this team is old because they play old and a coach that thinks he's cutting edge hut has an archaic mindset for usage of his roster and style as well as roles.

There is virtually no addition to this roster that fixes that. We literally had an overhaul in front office and added a solid top 6 winger and a Norris winner as well as solid defensively responsible free agents and the same issues still appear.

It's always been the f***ing coach. I don't care how tired it sounds. It's the f***ing truth.

Sid getting whomever he wants on his line has always been a problem. Malkin's entire line is built to be that cycle beast with high end offensive output and yet they play the system that doesn't push for that.

Sullivan would get a prime Todd Bertuzzi and bench him for hitting too much.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I hate your thread title, wanker.

I did it just for you

 

[tom_servo]

Systems/style of play has more to do with that.

I'm watching Joe Pavelski play like a usual beast in a system that he's able to fit into and work with at his age, he's older than both Sid And Geno.

Difference?

Dallas plays youth in advantageous ways, tries new things and isn't afraid of that. Sure they have their warts too but this team is old because they play old and a coach that thinks he's cutting edge hut has an archaic mindset for usage of his roster and style as well as roles.

There is virtually no addition to this roster that fixes that. We literally had an overhaul in front office and added a solid top 6 winger and a Norris winner as well as solid defensively responsible free agents and the same issues still appear.

It's always been the f***ing coach. I don't care how tired it sounds. It's the f***ing truth.

Sid getting whomever he wants on his line has always been a problem. Malkin's entire line is built to be that cycle beast with high end offensive output and yet they play the system that doesn't push for that.

Sullivan would get a prime Todd Bertuzzi and bench him for hitting too much.

Who is the youth that Dallas plays in advantageous ways? Dallas top three scorers are 34+.

There's no apparent youth to be unlocked on the Penguins. Everyone is suffering from wishful thinking. Other teams' youth are first rounders. 14th overall type players. Many of those in the league.

You think the difference is missing a piece like Ty Dellandrea?

I have no idea what team to envy in this league.

 

[Gurglesons]

Who is the youth that Dallas plays in advantageous ways? Dallas top three scorers are 34+.

There's no apparent youth to be unlocked on the Penguins. Everyone is suffering from wishful thinking. Other teams' youth are first rounders. 14th overall type players. Many of those in the league.

You think the difference is missing a piece like Ty Dellandrea?

I have no idea what team to envy in this league.

I think the point is more actually try it. What’s the worse that can happen? They get lit up defensively, don’t score and take bad penalties?

 

[Andy99]

Systems/style of play has more to do with that.

I'm watching Joe Pavelski play like a usual beast in a system that he's able to fit into and work with at his age, he's older than both Sid And Geno.

Difference?

Dallas plays youth in advantageous ways, tries new things and isn't afraid of that. Sure they have their warts too but this team is old because they play old and a coach that thinks he's cutting edge hut has an archaic mindset for usage of his roster and style as well as roles.

There is virtually no addition to this roster that fixes that. We literally had an overhaul in front office and added a solid top 6 winger and a Norris winner as well as solid defensively responsible free agents and the same issues still appear.

It's always been the f***ing coach. I don't care how tired it sounds. It's the f***ing truth.

Sid getting whomever he wants on his line has always been a problem. Malkin's entire line is built to be that cycle beast with high end offensive output and yet they play the system that doesn't push for that.

Sullivan would get a prime Todd Bertuzzi and bench him for hitting too much.

It’s the system too (well the couch’s use of players more) but what I mean is not that it’s the individual player…we’re overall too old in the pieces around Sid and Geno…Dallas‘ best players don’t include Pavs…or Benn ..it’s Heiskanen, Hintz, Robertson, Oettinger and they’re all young…we have nothing like that

 

[tom_servo]

It’s the system too (well the couch’s use of players more) but what I mean is not that it’s the individual player…we’re overall too old in the pieces around Sid and Geno…Dallas‘ best players don’t include Pavs…or Benn ..it’s Heiskanen, Hintz, Robertson, Oettinger and they’re all young…we have nothing like that

We're not too old in those key positions. That's where I disagree. Jarry's young, he sucks. Joseph sucks. O' Conner sucks. The main old guys are great, but Carter sucks.

I think the point is more actually try it. What’s the worse that can happen? They get lit up defensively, don’t score and take bad penalties?

Let us be shocked by Sam Poulin. They don't know what they have.

 

[tom_servo]

Wow, look at all these mediocre teams who went through one or more rebuilds who have first-round youth. Why don't we have that? And they're not even that good. That's what gets me.

Edit: sorry to be a smart ass

 

[Pancakes]

I think the point is more actually try it. What’s the worse that can happen? They get lit up defensively, don’t score and take bad penalties?

Gotta do something. Bottom six is killing them. At least stop carrying 8 d and call up an extra forward to have options.

 

[66-30-33]

Father Time is undefeated…Sid and Geno are still really good players and I enjoy watching them but there’s a reason (in addition to the coach lol) why we can’t maintain O zone possession, get to pucks compared to younger teams, and are not able play a good game for 60 min (only 40)..I’ll be surprised if they do anything this season

Father Time is not here yet, maybe for Ovy but not Crosby/Malkin. There is a reason but it’s got nothing to do with age. Also we only play 20 minutes, that’s the 3rd but that’s more to do with not starting games when the puck drops but when we got an uphill to climb. Players don’t come to work prepared. It’s been this way for way too many years in a row.

 

[Ugene Magic]

That's not what I get from that gif, how anyone gets past Penny has the wrong agenda.

 

[Andy99]

A nothing burger…please remove from the injury thread lol

 

[SomeDude]

Since it's just Harkins on waivers, the injuries must not be that significant. Otherwise you could keep him up, even as the 13th forward, if you were putting Acciari on LTIR.

Or they need to call someone up to play center, maybe?

Or Harkins just sucks and they realized that after watching him for a few games.

 

[Zbynek]

3-1. They lost to Ottawa.

Philly doesn't scare me. They started 4-1-0 last year.
Dallas, Vegas, Carolina, Minnesota coming up for them this month. Gonna be a quick reality check imo.

Yep. Flyers are already due for their yearly Tortorella meltdown/15 game slide into bottom-feeder obscurity. Definitely starts somewhere in the midst of that Dallas-Vegas-Carolina run.

 

[Andy99]

From Taylor…

Interesting developments here. So, it's Matt Nieto in Harkins' old spot on the third line and the injured defenseman Butcher is filling in on the fourth line, since they can't call any forwards up until 2 p.m. Then the third defense pairing is split up. P.O Joseph is with John Ludvig and Chad Ruhwedel is with Ryan Shea. No way of telling from this which D pairing is the third pairing yet, too early to know for sure. They run these simultaneously, like they're going head-to-head.

Jake Guentzel - Sidney Crosby - Bryan Rust
Reilly Smith - Evgeni Malkin - Rickard Rakell
Drew O'Connor - Lars Eller - Matt Nieto
(Will Butcher) - Noel Acciari - Jeff Carter

Ryan Graves - Kris Letang
Marcus Pettersson - Erik Karlsson
P.O Joseph - John Ludvig
Ryan Shea - Chad Ruhwedel

 

[Empoleon8771]

Two bets on my part:

1. Harkins isn't at practice because they know he was claimed off waivers.
2. POJ is the one that ends up scratched, not Ruhwedel

 

[Darren McCord]

Two bets on my part:

1. Harkins isn't at practice because they know he was claimed off waivers.
2. POJ is the one that ends up scratched, not Ruhwedel

I would hate that so much. Partly because I am interested in Ludvig the most. He is the youngest of the group (even younger than POJ) and the biggest. I am really not interested in a Shea - ruh experiment at all.