Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach

[Gurglesons]

Which is still prone to breakdowns and missed assignments in the slot and near the net. The zone coverage that is discussed in the article, particularly in use by Vegas, focuses on the center of the ice rather than an overload.

We've utilized a box + 1 zone defense along with the overload throughout Sullivan's time here.

We were running this in the Rangers series.

The difference is our defensemen have been undersized and weak in front of the net for years and Vegas has the best D in the league.

I'd almost argue in some ways that we'd be better at man to man because we don't have the speed or commitment to play the overload or box + 1.

Torts and his system which Sullivan is a acolyte of has always utilized a zone defense.

 

[Sideline]

Fire Sullivan and Rierden. Hire Jagr and Kovalev.

 

[Gurglesons]

Fire Sullivan and Rierden. Hire Jagr and Kovalev.

we need a Mike Rupp type.

 

[Sideline]

we need a Mike Rupp type.

Not the worst idea. Someone that knew Sid and Geno as young guys might actually have more credibility coaching them.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

we need a Mike Rupp type.

Sullivan is a square peg.

 

[Andy99]

we need a Mike Rupp type.

It’s all good folks….nothing to see here lol

 

[Smasher]

Sorry about the off-topic, but is there any way to get rid of the "we value your privacy" pop-up? Having to refresh 10 times just to read a single page is getting pretty damn annoying...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Speaking of Tampa, this quote from Emily Kaplan’s story in ESPN today tells you all you need to know about why Sullivan should be canned:

“The Tampa Bay Lightning's emphasis this offseason was on improving defensively. GM Julien BriseBois told me that when they were winning Stanley Cups, they were a top-six or top-eight defensive team. He felt they lost their way last season and gave up too many scoring chances. So the Tampa Bay coaching staff, led by coach Jon Cooper, made an adjustment to the system.”

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The reality is the Pens are old and just not as offensively talented as they used to be and their surrounding wingers cant get to the front of the net except on a rush chance…we need to play as a counterpunching team and stopping aggressively pinching as much…

Cooper's team won back to back Cups and went to the finals a third time in a row just two seasons ago. They have one rough season and he's all about making adjustments.

Meanwhile, Sullivan has been "sticking to the process" since 2018's loss to the Caps and doesn't bother to try anything new.

As I said, anyone who keeps defending Sullivan is out to lunch at this point. The guy's living off a 2 year stretch and has ranged from average to below average since.

 

[Gurglesons]

In the calendar year of 2023 we've won 7 games against playoff teams out of 52 games played. LOL.

 

[Turin]

I think I’ve seen enough. The problems are the exact same despite having a radically different team, nothing was learned. I maintain that Reirden and Velucci are doing worse at their job than Sully but it probably doesn’t matter. I’m sure if he gets fired Edmonton will hire him immediately and find some success, but whatever.

 

[BusinessGoose]

In the calendar year of 2023 we've won 7 games against playoff teams out of 52 games played. LOL.

Good lord

What about non playoff teams in 2023? Kinda don't think it is much better.

 

[Gurglesons]

Good lord

What about non playoff teams in 2023? Kinda don't think it is much better.

We are 23-24-5. .490 point percentage.

 

[Andy99]

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On point but no mention of the coach lol

 

[Turin]

I like how Sullivan talks disparagingly about throwing lines in a blender when that’s literally what he did all throughout 2017 and they won the Cup and had over 50 wins without Letang for most of the year.

 

[Gurglesons]

I like how Sullivan talks disparagingly about throwing lines in a blender when that’s literally what he did all throughout 2017 and they won the Cup and had over 50 wins without Letang for most of the year.

Did it in 15-16 too.

 

[BusinessGoose]

We are 23-24-5. .490 point percentage.

So. Not even 500 vs other losers, and far FAR away from other contenders

Yup. It's been fun. Shit is over until the owners make a real big decision.

 

[Pancakes]

We have 8 players without a single point on the season. Three of those are forwards.

We have three forwards with one point on the season

 

[Josey Wales]

Mike Sullivan said Alex Nedeljkovic sustained a lower-body injury in last night’s game.

That’s why he left practice early. He tried to practice today but couldn’t.

I asked Sullivan if Nedeljkovic will be able to dress tomorrow vs. the Avalanche and he said he didn’t know yet.

The Penguins don’t have space for a recall so unless there are any corresponding moves, that could mean EBUG Mike Chiasson backs up.

 

[Andy99]

Lol…please pile on and make that hot seat even hotter…

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[LOGiK]

I wonder if another beat-down tomorrow from Colorado will change any of these guys outlook on how this team is going to end up this season. Going 2-5 (with a capitals win in either of their next two games (game in hand)) puts penguins in dead last place in the east.

At this rate ticket sales are going to take a plunge.

 

[Coastal Kev]

People coming late to the party barking orders about the seating arrangements can get bent.

Yo danny, where were you in 22's offseason questioning the keep along gang moves???

stoink

 

[chethejet]

Pens can't continue this nonsense where half the arena is empty by the middle of the third period. Just stupid to continue this soft play in year 6. Dubas brough in the grit he could but this is not working. Sid has to pick it up but has no real help with a soft jake and Rust who lacks the physical presence Sid needs. Move Jake with 1 million retention to Florida for Sam Bennett and a second. Carter to the press box. Bring up White for RH center for 4th line. Move POJ to ST Louis for R Bertuzzo and send one of the LD down. Give Nieto a couple games to see what is what.
Bennett Sid Rakell
Smith Geno Rust
DOC Eller Accairi
Nieto White Nylander

Graves Letang
Petts Karlsson
Ludvig Bertuzzo
Ruhwedel Shea

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Pens can't continue this nonsense where half the arena is empty by the middle of the third period. Just stupid to continue this soft play in year 6. Dubas brough in the grit he could but this is not working. Sid has to pick it up but has no real help with a soft jake and Rust who lacks the physical presence Sid needs. Move Jake with 1 million retention to Florida for Sam Bennett and a second. Carter to the press box. Bring up White for RH center for 4th line. Move POJ to ST Louis for R Bertuzzo and send one of the LD down. Give Nieto a couple games to see what is what.
Bennett Sid Rakell
Smith Geno Rust
DOC Eller Accairi
Nieto White Nylander

Graves Letang
Petts Karlsson
Ludvig Bertuzzo
Ruhwedel Shea

St. Louis has significant money invested in the left side of the defense, plus it has its own 23-year-old in Tyler Tucker. It has no need for POJ.

Florida doesn't need Guentzel and Bennett's versatility is of more value to them.

 

[Jobeycool]

Carter needs to be dealt with a serious talk from headquarters as buddy you have nothing left in your game. We want you to retire, or the Pens are just screwing around this year for high draft pick.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I looked ahead to next week's schedule and am I missing something? We play Monday the 30th then don't play again until SATURDAY??? I get there is a cross-country flight involved, but Wtf is going on