Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach

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vodeni

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Malkin absolutely needs a defensively responsible forward
don't blame you for this cause its friggin narrative that percolates hockey world in pittsburgh from media, fans, and probably coaches...Geno does not need defensive forward as much as this team needs defensive structure...Sid is 2.6 GA/60, how come no one is talking about Sid needed defensive forward Geno is at 2.5 GA/60. Eller at 1.95 GA/60 or warior Acciari who is 2.1 GA/60 Do they need defensive forwards? What Geno needs and this team need is structure, forwards coming back and tracking, pressing the point, and coming together as a group out of our zone in a fashion that resembles three-four guys that may have skated together once or twice. What Geno needs is offensive help, a legit play driver on L2 to create more opportunities and boost the offense to move them above current misarable 2.7 GF/60 more towards Sid's 3.9 GF/60 thats (these are 5 on 5 numbers)...thats what we need but whatever...

Crosby and Malkin each had sick redirect goals against Phoenix. Malkin's was even on his backhand 🤯
:laugh: admit, you were loving it, every second of it
 

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:laugh: admit, you were loving it, every second of it

It made me sick. I was watching on delay and when the delayed call started I had to pet my cats. I unpaused thinking "oh great hope the PP comes through once, ever." Then THE GOAL happened.
 
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I dunno, I just had to process an extension for a student because a missile strike vaporized the family apartment so I feel people getting mad at this team is pretty much dumb as hell.

Yinz played yourselves by thinking it was going to be any other way. Congratulations.

It's just sad more than anything. The only thing I'm truly mad about is how awful they still are to watch. I can take the losing. But FFS at least try to WIN as opposed to trying not to lose.

But yes. Obviously real world things put stuff in perspective. Believe me I know.
 

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Yeah I still check the scores and get updates, but I figure the games just look mostly identical game after game. I’ll start watching again closer to the trade deadline probably, but I just feel like I’m not missing anything at this point.

Way easier to not get mad about the Penguins when you only see the scores.
I watch but the past two years it hasn't been uncommon for me to only half pay attention to them while doing something else. Hard to be glued to the TV when they're so mediocre.
 

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don't blame you for this cause its friggin narrative that percolates hockey world in pittsburgh from media, fans, and probably coaches...Geno does not need defensive forward as much as this team needs defensive structure...Sid is 2.6 GA/60, how come no one is talking about Sid needed defensive forward Geno is at 2.5 GA/60. Eller at 1.95 GA/60 or warior Acciari who is 2.1 GA/60 Do they need defensive forwards? What Geno needs and this team need is structure, forwards coming back and tracking, pressing the point, and coming together as a group out of our zone in a fashion that resembles three-four guys that may have skated together once or twice. What Geno needs is offensive help, a legit play driver on L2 to create more opportunities and boost the offense to move them above current misarable 2.7 GF/60 more towards Sid's 3.9 GF/60 thats (these are 5 on 5 numbers)...thats what we need but whatever...


:laugh: admit, you were loving it, every second of it
It doesn't matter if Geno has structure. He either won't or is unable to follow it.

It's probably because almost every hockey player calls Sid the best two hundred foot player in the world still but, what do his peers know?

If you watch ANY game Malkin constantly does a fly by or takes a lazy stick penalty in the d-zone. Malkin is supposed to be the offensive driver on his line is he not? Not sure who else you want to try with him. He's had everyone but, Jake. I have watched all but, one game this year. Malkin needs someone to cover his a$$ constantly. Maybe the narrative is correct this time.
 
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The PGH media is no doubt larping an article for next week "if only Flower were still on this team" or whatever inane nonsense they got brewing in those sick minds. The coach is not the issue, folks. Haha.
 

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You don’t force Geno to change his game. It’s not going to happen. He can make small adjustments game to game and dial
It back a bit, but expecting him to transform his game is idiotic.

Coaching or management is dumb as rocks if they can’t figure out how to handle that. You either help him out a bit or suffer. White and DOC aren’t the solution.

If Geno wants to, he can get sully fired because of his NMC. If sully keeps dropping shade to media it’ll happen. Geno too nice though, for now.
 

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You don’t force Geno to change his game. It’s not going to happen. He can make small adjustments game to game and dial
It back a bit, but expecting him to transform his game is idiotic.

Coaching or management is dumb as rocks if they can’t figure out how to handle that. You either help him out a bit or suffer. White and DOC aren’t the solution.

If Geno wants to, he can get sully fired because of his NMC. If sully keeps dropping shade to media it’ll happen. Geno too nice though, for now.
What did Sully say that was “dropping shade” on Geno? Haven’t been paying much attention today…
 

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It doesn't matter if Geno has structure. He either won't or is unable to follow it.

It's probably because almost every hockey player calls Sid the best two hundred foot player in the world still but, what do his peers know?

If you watch ANY game Malkin constantly does a fly by or takes a lazy stick penalty in the d-zone. Malkin is supposed to be the offensive driver on his line is he not? Not sure who else you want to try with him. He's had everyone but, Jake. I have watched all but, one game this year. Malkin needs someone to cover his a$$ constantly. Maybe the narrative is correct this time.
O damn. Looks like I missed one. *Hits ignore*

That settled. Malkin needs young wingers that can grind and shoot. He can still set up plays and leads the team in drawn penalties. Colin White is the answer here. Puusty should be back up with Geno but Sully gonna Sully
 
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As much as I’m here to whine about the Pens, I can’t imagine how bad all the other Metro teams hfboards professional pessimists must feel about their similar mediocrity given we’ve at least got 3 cups with this core.
I'll be honest, a big part of my frustration is the complete unwillingness to try a coaching change. It's not the state of the team, but the fact that a (potential) solution is an option this organization refuses to look at.

At least those other teams have made coaching changes when things start to go downhill.
 

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You don’t force Geno to change his game. It’s not going to happen. He can make small adjustments game to game and dial
It back a bit, but expecting him to transform his game is idiotic.

Coaching or management is dumb as rocks if they can’t figure out how to handle that. You either help him out a bit or suffer. White and DOC aren’t the solution.

If Geno wants to, he can get sully fired because of his NMC. If sully keeps dropping shade to media it’ll happen. Geno too nice though, for now.

I doubt Malkin or any player not named Crosby can get Sullivan fired.
And Crosby loves Sullivan, unfortunately.
 

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With their play. Not saying something.

There's no bigger critic of Malkin than Malkin. Not even the guy above you, there.

Him trying to play the coach off the team will just lead to him getting shamed hard enough that he throws his hands up and waives for a trade. Sullivan easily wins the Malkin vs Sullivan battle IMO. Neither Dubas or certainly ownership steps up for him in that scenario.
 

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What did Sully say that was “dropping shade” on Geno? Haven’t been paying much attention today…

Was from the other day after the Vegas game I think. Something along the lines of helping Geno essentially play the right way (I’m paraphrasing).

There's no bigger critic of Malkin than Malkin. Not even the guy above you, there.

Him trying to play the coach off the team will just lead to him getting shamed hard enough that he throws his hands up and waives for a trade. Sullivan easily wins the Malkin vs Sullivan battle IMO.

Sully can’t win that battle. That said Geno won’t do that, so why not try to help the guy out by setting with what he needs for that. Either by coaching change or trades.

Edit: I say sully can’t win that battle because of G’s NMC and his relationship with Sid. Only Geno can leave on his own accord. You fix his line or leave yourself to be fired eventually. He’ll never be benched.
 
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With their play. Not saying something.

I don't see Malkin intentionally tanking his play like Crosby did under Johnston late. The payoff on the other side of the coaching change isn't good enough to where it's worth him Sullying (pun semi-intended) his perception in his late career.
 

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I don't see Malkin intentionally tanking his play like Crosby did under Johnston late. The payoff on the other side of the coaching change isn't good enough to where it's worth him Sullying (pun semi-intended) his perception in his late career.

Agree. Last resort type shit, if something was really f***ed.
 

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There's no bigger critic of Malkin than Malkin. Not even the guy above you, there.

Him trying to play the coach off the team will just lead to him getting shamed hard enough that he throws his hands up and waives for a trade. Sullivan easily wins the Malkin vs Sullivan battle IMO. Neither Dubas or certainly ownership steps up for him in that scenario.

I mean you have posters here saying Malkin's a net negative every game, and I'm just a passing critic at times.

But sorry to invade your Geno persecution/inferiority complex safe space as always.
 

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I mean you have posters here saying Malkin's a net negative every game, and I'm just a passing critic at times.

But sorry to invade your Geno persecution/inferiority complex safe space as always.

Buddy I really don't care anymore. He's like 38 and obviously at the end. I just think it's way over the top.

Passing critic is an interesting turn of phrase. Was that what all that unhinged ranting last night was?
 

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Pens have top 5 goaltending and 5on5 play. This team would be near the top of the league in points if the powerplay was competent.

It's easy to point out the coaching staff, but they're not telling the players to stand around and not go to the net. Sullivan isn't telling Karlsson to keep making telegraphed passes for tips, which are constantly blocked or Malkin to keep shooting with no screen. I have trouble blaming Crosby, because a lot of his play is a symptom of trying to match the players around him
 
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Buddy I really don't care anymore. I just think it's way over the top.

Passing critic is an interesting turn of phrase. Was that what all that unhinged ranting last night was?

What unhinged ranting?

That you like Malkin more than you like the Pens?
You may know in your heart it's not true but 80% of your posts here are pre-emptively defending Malkin and pre-emptively making fun of people who would criticize Malkin.
So my perception of you is rightly that Malkin is more important than the Pens, for you.

But we just KNOW what they mean when they say the core is falling. And it's not Crosby! Certainly not. It's that guy. Missed the top 100. Sinking this team for years. Decades even!

/Average BWM post.
 

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What unhinged ranting?

That you like Malkin more than you like the Pens?
You may know in your heart it's not true but 80% of your posts here are pre-emptively defending Malkin and pre-emptively making fun of people who would criticize Malkin.
So my perception of you is rightly that Malkin is more important than the Pens, for you.

I would say 80% of my posts are wondering what in the world this team is doing in general but whatever. I make no secret that dude was my favorite player to watch on this team for years because I dig how he approaches the game. What are you a fan of? Strutting around picking fights over the exact same thing you're trying to drag me for but on the other end?

Wouldn't toss too many stones, bud.
 
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