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Penguins fire Mike Johnston, Mike Sullivan named new head coach

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I predicted the Pens would miss the playoffs last year, and was wrong by one game. Made the same prediction this year, and still have a good chance to be correct. As I have been saying, for a long time, its not necessarily the coaches. The Pens have had, and continue to have, a deep structural problem with their team. They are top-heavy in the forward department, and most importantly, have only one NHL caliber top-4 D-man. Maatta may adequately fill that role in a year or two, but he's not there year. Furthermore, the one NHL quality D-man they do have is NEVER healthy, and management is aware of this limitation, yet do nothing to address it.

Please, those blaming coaches in Pitt: Please explain to me the system that works when you don't have NHL caliber D-men on your back-end. There is no worse blueline in the NHL. Crosby, Malkin, Kessel... nothing. They don't matter when you are hemmed into your own blueline the whole game. They don't matter when nobody can make a breakout pass.

Scructural issues. Address them!
 
TouchMyCup said:
I predicted the Pens would miss the playoffs last year, and was wrong by one game. Made the same prediction this year, and still have a good chance to be correct. As I have been saying, for a long time, its not necessarily the coaches. The Pens have had, and continue to have, a deep structural problem with their team. They are top-heavy in the forward department, and most importantly, have only one NHL caliber top-4 D-man. Maatta may adequately fill that role in a year or two, but he's not there year. Furthermore, the one NHL quality D-man they do have is NEVER healthy, and management is aware of this limitation, yet do nothing to address it.

Please, those blaming coaches in Pitt: Please explain to me the system that works when you don't have NHL caliber D-men on your back-end. There is no worse blueline in the NHL. Crosby, Malkin, Kessel... nothing. They don't matter when you are hemmed into your own blueline the whole game. They don't matter when nobody can make a breakout pass.

Scructural issues. Address them!
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Ziggy Stardust said:
I guess the Pens weren't aware of how crappy the Hurricanes were after 2007. Rutherford is an old relic and the current Penguins have one of the worst lineups in the league. It's too top heavy with little depth and a horrendous blueline.
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That is indeed the JR blueprint. He will then trade all picks and defensive prospects for even more forwards.
 
Shrimper said:
We have three NHL calibre top 4 D, Letang, Maatta and Daley.

Daley is capable of playing the second pairing.
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Dumoulin? How are you including Daley but not Dumoulin?

The Pens are a poorly constructed team overall. It seems like JR completely disregarded player styles and fits and just added a bunch of players based on their NHL 16 ratings. JR has done well on trades as in he hasn't lost more trades than he has won, but a lot of his trades have ended up backfiring pretty badly.
 
Stickpucker said:
That is indeed the JR blueprint. He will then trade all picks and defensive prospects for even more forwards.
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He's already well on his way in that regard.

Empoleon8771 said:
Dumoulin? How are you including Daley but not Dumoulin?

The Pens are a poorly constructed team overall. It seems like JR completely disregarded player styles and fits and just added a bunch of players based on their NHL 16 ratings. JR has done well on trades as in he hasn't lost more trades than he has won, but a lot of his trades have ended up backfiring pretty badly.
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He's assembled a team with some very nice individual pieces that have no chemistry between them.
 
Shrimper said:
We have three NHL calibre top 4 D, Letang, Maatta and Daley.

Daley is capable of playing the second pairing.
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Seeing that Dallas fans couldn't thank him enough for leaving and that he got outplayed by Dmen from Rockford when Keith was out are you sure about your statement
 
radapex said:
He's assembled a team with some very nice individual pieces that have no chemistry between them.
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Yeah this is essentially it. It doesn't matter if they fleeced other teams in trades if the team is just a poor fit for each other.

vippe said:
On a below average team, like the Pens is this year. He is not a legit top 4 D on a contender.
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Daley is an ideal bottom pair PPQB. I wouldn't call him a top-4 D, he's too weak defensively. He looks amazing with the puck though.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I guess the Pens weren't aware of how crappy the Hurricanes were after 2007. Rutherford is an old relic and the current Penguins have one of the worst lineups in the league. It's too top heavy with little depth and a horrendous blueline.
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Top heavy can be fine the problem is the Pens big three aren't doing anything aside from Malkin. If Sid and Kessel were producing like expected they'd at least be a borderline playoff team. With those two doing nothing they're a lottery team.
 
TouchMyCup said:
I predicted the Pens would miss the playoffs last year, and was wrong by one game. Made the same prediction this year, and still have a good chance to be correct. As I have been saying, for a long time, its not necessarily the coaches. The Pens have had, and continue to have, a deep structural problem with their team. They are top-heavy in the forward department, and most importantly, have only one NHL caliber top-4 D-man. Maatta may adequately fill that role in a year or two, but he's not there year. Furthermore, the one NHL quality D-man they do have is NEVER healthy, and management is aware of this limitation, yet do nothing to address it.

Please, those blaming coaches in Pitt: Please explain to me the system that works when you don't have NHL caliber D-men on your back-end. There is no worse blueline in the NHL. Crosby, Malkin, Kessel... nothing. They don't matter when you are hemmed into your own blueline the whole game. They don't matter when nobody can make a breakout pass.

Scructural issues. Address them!
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Not makjng excuses because there is certainly issues that need to be addressed but the pens have had terrible luck in the injury department. Making predictions that last year's team and this years team would miss the playoffs prior to the seasons show your just a hater, because no expert in hockey would make those predictions.
 
It's still Bylsma's fault for all those bad habits they learned under him. They've already managed to shed the habit they had under him of winning a lot so they must be getting closer to washing him away completely.

Weird that the team keeps getting worse the further away he gets though. Even weirder he took over the worst team in NHL history and they are...one whole point worse than Pittsburgh already.

WHEN OH WHEN WILL PITTSBURGH BE FREE OF BYLSMA'S AWFULNESS!!!!!

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Or maybe it's the players.
 
Ace said:
It's still Bylsma's fault for all those bad habits they learned under him. They've already managed to shed the habit they had under him of winning a lot so they must be getting closer to washing him away completely.

Weird that the team keeps getting worse the further away he gets though. Even weirder he took over the worst team in NHL history and they are...one whole point worse than Pittsburgh already.

WHEN OH WHEN WILL PITTSBURGH BE FREE OF BYLSMA'S AWFULNESS!!!!!

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Or maybe it's the players.
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But, but, but they have the two best players in the world. It can't be the players.

It's not just the players though. It's an aura of arrogance that permeates the whole organization.
 
lettuceAA said:
Not makjng excuses because there is certainly issues that need to be addressed but the pens have had terrible luck in the injury department. Making predictions that last year's team and this years team would miss the playoffs prior to the seasons show your just a hater, because no expert in hockey would make those predictions.
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Hater of what? The organization or the roster? Cause if I had to pick an Eastern Conference team, it would be Pittsburgh. It doesn't take a wizard to predict that Kris Letang would be injured. I fell out of love with this roster the minute they lost Niskanen and Orpik the same year, without suitable replacements. I've also watched enough Kessel to know that he isn't made better by playing with Malkin and Crosby. He's the kind of guy who needs a good breakout pass, and nothing else.

Do I hate this roster? Absolutely. Find me a competitive team that is so poorly constructed on the back end. I'm waiting..
 
So far they're 2-5-1 under Sullivan with 14 goals scored and 5 of those coming in one game against the worst team in the league. I can't believe that the Leafs are only 3 points behind them.
 
ForzaItalia said:
So far they're 2-5-1 under Sullivan with 14 goals scored with 5 of those coming in one game against the worst team in the league. I can't believe that the Leafs are only 3 points behind them.
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The Pens look drastically better under Sullivan than they did under Johnston, but they still can't score for ****. Malkin sucking for the entire time Sullivan has been here hasn't helped either.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
The Pens look drastically better under Sullivan than they did under Johnston, but they still can't score for ****. Malkin sucking for the entire time Sullivan has been here hasn't helped either.
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So weird how him and Sid can't be on fire at the same time. Pens next 5 games are pretty tough. They need to do something fast.
 
At what point do the Pens consider rebuilding the team? It's fairly obvious that they won't get any more defencemen than what they already have (including Pouliot). So do they consider some bold moves to help the speculated in-room problems? Or are they just going to let the season play out and hope for a top 3 pick to get Chychrun?
 
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