Confirmed with Link: Penguins acquire Erik Karlsson for Granlund, 1st rounder in 2024, Rutta, Petry, DeSmith (more in first post)

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Never thought about how we're old enough for people to get nostalgic over the prequels.

Oh for sure. It's literally the only logical reason that they've gotten the latter day glow up that they have. Well that and the new ones are largely shit.

But regardless we're talking about very serious hockey topics here. I wouldn't want anyone to get bent out of shape.
 
Oh for sure. It's literally the only logical reason that they've gotten the latter day glow up that they have. Well that and the new ones are largely shit.

But regardless we're talking about very serious hockey topics here. I wouldn't want anyone to get bent out of shape.

I didn't even realise they'd have a glow up. Not talking to people is a strong life choice.

Also lets be real, if we're through to talking about commentators in a trade thread, we're probably all heading back to the salary cap thread soon for some Tuna watch and Pitlick vs Johnsson vs Hinostroza.
 
I don’t mind mears because he just calls the game. His attempt at catch phrases suck though. I cringe at every “they would NOT be denied!”

Yeah.

But I guess it's better than him trying to make "The WIZARD" a thing for years like Steigerwald did with Sid. I mean... when he wasn't confusing Jarkko Ruutu with Crosby and Plotnikov with Kessel etc.

Mears' "Brockstar" was just about the worst, though. I'll grant you that.

I didn't even realise they'd have a glow up. Not talking to people is a strong life choice.

Also lets be real, if we're through to talking about commentators in a trade thread, we're probably all heading back to the salary cap thread soon for some Tuna watch and Pitlick vs Johnsson vs Hinostroza.

Indeed.
 
I don’t mind mears because he just calls the game. His attempt at catch phrases suck though. I cringe at every “they would NOT be denied!”
Just calling the game is not what I want from my team's PBP guy. Need to spice things up over an 82 - 110 game season.
Comedy, tidbits, history, intelligent contributions to discussions with partner, clever ideas, passion, some goofiness, hot takes, occasional angry outbursts...

Know what I mean? More like a human being, not an android.
Steigy just contributed so much more of the human element to broadcasts. Added some layers. He gave Errey a lot more to work with.

I don't want either one, but yeah...
I feel like there's a better replacement available out there for sure.

It's not like Mears' voice and calls are particularly high level anyway. He's not bringing much to the table here.
 
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Just calling the game is not what I want from my team's PBP guy. Need to spice things up over an 82 - 110 game season.
Comedy, tidbits, history, intelligent contributions to discussions with partner, clever ideas, passion, some goofiness, hot takes, occasional angry outbursts...

Know what I mean? More like a human being, not an android.
Steigy just contributed so much more of the human element to broadcasts. Added some layers. He gave Errey a lot more to work with.

I don't want either one, but yeah...
I feel like there's a better replacement available out there for sure.

It's not like Mears' voice and calls are particularly high level anyway. He's not bringing much to the table here.
You summed it up better than I could have. Personally my favorite combo was Steigy and Lange from the mid 90s. It felt more like a conversation than a formulaic pbp-> cc format.
 
You summed it up better than I could have. Personally my favorite combo was Steigy and Lange from the mid 90s. It felt more like a conversation than a formulaic pbp-> cc format.
Yep. It's a shame cuz Errey brings so much, but he has no one to bounce off of. He just has to carry every night. Shouldn't be this way.
You only need 64 PBPs/color guys in the league for non-national broadcasts. You should be able to do better than this. Surely there's someone more talented currently calling games on radio or in the AHL somewhere.

"Formulaic" is such a perfect word for Mears. He makes it as institutional/vanilla as one possibly can. He's afraid of making mistakes and stepping out of line I guess.
 
Steigy had a little smugness that I found off-putting. But he and Lange together were what I consider the golden days. Lange had so much admiration for the game, and called Pens moments with a little wink to the audience, like he'd peeked behind the curtain before showtime.

Obviously nostalgia is at work here but Lange truly heightened the Mario era.
 


Rupp had a nice segment here where he suggested that Graves-Letang should get the tougher "shutdown" minutes for the defense. I think that's actually an interesting idea, it puts Karlsson out there as the defacto "offensive threat" while Letang is facing the top competition of opponents.

Looking at that top-4, man it's amazing to look at. I can't think of any time in their history that the Penguins had a top-4 defense as good as what they have right now. The only one I can even think of is when they had Coffey, Murphy and Samuelsson in the early 90s for a season or so.
 
Need that pick for what? We won't be ready to ramp it up for playoff entry again until like 2030, if not later. By that time the pick will be 25+ and nearing the end of the allowable ELC period, if not past it. He may not even be on the Penguins anymore.
Similarly, what do Yager and Pickering do for the Pittsburgh Penguins, and when?

What we need are like 2026, 2027 and 2028 picks, so their development matches our ascension timeline.

We're not tanking this year or next year IMO. That's just not happening with the big 3 and Dubas being new on the job. Summer 2025 at the earliest is when the dismantling starts.
Even if we don't tank, we don't know what we'll need at the deadline.
It'd be dumb if we were asset-less to make moves because we traded our 2025 1st to get SJS to retain an extra $2M on Karlsson per year.
 
Even if we don't tank, we don't know what we'll need at the deadline.
It'd be dumb if we were asset-less to make moves because we traded our 2025 1st to get SJS to retain an extra $2M on Karlsson per year.
I was thinking more EK at 50% and giving up the heavy cost required. 5.75M AAV. That would have been my preferred route, if the Sharks were willing. Then when rebuilding we trade him at 50% of that and get a lovely return back, at a time where we need picks.
My point is that if we have that 4.25M more to spend this year on helping the team in other areas, you probably don't require those picks as payment at the deadline, because those holes are already patched.

I agree that 2M more retention is borderline for squeezing a lot more out of us though.
 
I was thinking more EK at 50% and giving up the heavy cost required. 5.75M AAV. That would have been my preferred route, if the Sharks were willing. Then when rebuilding we trade him at 50% of that and get a lovely return back, at a time where we need picks.
My point is that if we have that 4.25M more to spend this year on helping the team in other areas, you probably don't require those picks as payment at the deadline, because those holes are already patched.

I agree that 2M more retention is borderline for squeezing a lot more out of us though.

The Sharks would have required 3 1sts for that level of retention. They would have baked in his resale value into the transaction.

"The holes would already be patched" is not how things work. The team is good, it contends, but there are holes and there is an expectation to make moves to push chips in. That goes across the fanbase and the team itself. If we're good, additions will be expected to be made. But we don't know where we'll need help. We may think we know, but we really don't. We have to let the season play out to find out.
 
The Sharks would have required 3 1sts for that level of retention. They would have baked in his resale value into the transaction.

"The holes would already be patched" is not how things work. The team is good, it contends, but there are holes and there is an expectation to make moves to push chips in. That goes across the fanbase and the team itself. If we're good, additions will be expected to be made. But we don't know where we'll need help. We may think we know, but we really don't. We have to let the season play out to find out.
I'd be 100% ok with that, if we mean 2024 1st + Yager and Pickering. We'd get something back when he leaves, and it would be an honest attempt at winning the Cup now. I don't think those picks are gonna do anything of note for this team when we need them to, so it's whatever.

Well if you have a stronger roster, you get into a comfortable position for playoffs at the deadline, and you probably won't need the 1st to patch a lesser hole. There's always some decent scoring wingers you can get at the deadline with 2nds, or bottom pair D-men or backup goalies.

Anyways, it doesn't matter. Didn't happen, so we're at where we're at.
 
a) The whole "we should have paid for extra retention" thing might be moot anyway. Iirc, Grier said there were two teams at the end, and the other wanted more retention, and they didn't want to do retention.

It is entirely possible that we could not have competed the move with more retention - that it would have let the other team outbid us. Or that San Jose's price would have been extortionate, or that they'd said no to Granlund... you get the idea.

50% is just not on the table. At every turn the words of the media and the Sharks have made it clear that wasn't on the table. And if it was, the amount of teams bidding for Erik Karlsson at 5.75m goes up drastically, as does the asset return possible, which is a losing proposition for us.

b)
Need that pick for what? We won't be ready to ramp it up for playoff entry again until like 2030, if not later. By that time the pick will be 25+ and nearing the end of the allowable ELC period, if not past it. He may not even be on the Penguins anymore.
Similarly, what do Yager and Pickering do for the Pittsburgh Penguins, and when?

What we need are like 2026, 2027 and 2028 picks, so their development matches our ascension timeline.

We're not tanking this year or next year IMO. That's just not happening with the big 3 and Dubas being new on the job. Summer 2025 at the earliest is when the dismantling starts.

There's two things you would like that '25 1st (and so on and so on) for.

The first is just good old you never know. You never know when a prospect is going to blow up. You never know when you're going to be crap sooner than you expected, or get lucky in the lottery. Or decide to put trade protection on a pick, trigger it, and find yourself handing over the '26 1st instead. There's already 276 posts on Gavin McKenna. Or you never know when you're going to be better than you expected sooner either. Both Ottawa's and Buffalo's rebuild accelerated suddenly due to unexpected circs.

Obviously you can't just sit there doing nothing because of "what if" but teams that don't enter jackpots don't win prizes.

Second, and more certain, is that prolonged rebuilds are really hard to come out of. The instilled losing habits, the lack of talent with which to guide youngsters into the line up, the lack of assets to sell off... sure, you've got to hack and burn to allow for new space, but take it too far and all your new plants start dying.

Having some meaningful young players somehow when the time of Crosby is done is going to matter. Even if they're not part of the next contender, being able to sell them off will help a lot.

Obviously we're probably going to sell off that 1st at some point... but we are still selling something meaningful that could be incredibly valuable to the org.
 
Welcome to the nightmare. Your next reality check will be when you realize we have no physical defensemen left and our goalie likes to get targeted and injured. :facepalm:

Personally would have preferred to throw a pick or prospect in, to get more retention and Ruh over Rutta.

My goodness you have weird nightmares
 
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I'm looking at this team like this with Jake out.

Smith, Crosby, Rakell
Nylander, Malkin, Rust
Pitlick, Eller, Carter
O'Connor, Aciarri, Nieto
Johnsson

Graves, Karlsson
Pettersson, Letang
POJ, Smith/Ruh/Friedman

Jarry, Nedeljkovic

The bottom pairing can be masked with a quality top 4 and POJ is more than serviceable.

You can say the bottom pairing is horrible, but the forwards bottom six is deplorable. Jake should be back in the 3rd week of the season. That'll knock one of Nylander, Pitlick or Nieto out of the lineup. If things are looking rough for a couple of them Johnsson may work his way in.
 
a) The whole "we should have paid for extra retention" thing might be moot anyway. Iirc, Grier said there were two teams at the end, and the other wanted more retention, and they didn't want to do retention.
Yeah I was mostly just frustrated and confused at why the Sharks didn't go 50%. But the owner's cheap apparently, so it is what it is.
I definitely think Dubas would have salivated at the idea of full retention though, and what he could do with the space.
The first is just good old you never know. You never know when a prospect is going to blow up. You never know when you're going to be crap sooner than you expected, or get lucky in the lottery. Or decide to put trade protection on a pick, trigger it, and find yourself handing over the '26 1st instead. There's already 276 posts on Gavin McKenna. Or you never know when you're going to be better than you expected sooner either. Both Ottawa's and Buffalo's rebuild accelerated suddenly due to unexpected circs.
Well we basically know that they're not gonna give up entirely these last 2 years with Sid here. Too much respect for the vets. Too much pressure from FSG. Beyond that who knows.
I suppose better expected sooner is possible, with Dubas at the wheel. He's quite obsessed with restocking the farm and is very good at it. He has a lot more energy than older GM's. A lot to prove to others too.

It is very difficult to embrace a full rebuild and be back in the playoffs quickly though. It's hard to imagine Dubas will try a short re-tool like the Rangers did. We won't have their asset situation to build the foundation they did.
Can't picture fewer than 4 years between both playoff qualifications.
Having some meaningful young players somehow when the time of Crosby is done is going to matter. Even if they're not part of the next contender, being able to sell them off will help a lot.
Just feel like if you have them at that time, that means you didn't go all-in these last 2 years. That is my expectation though. Dubas basically said he'd be straddling the fence.
 
Karlsson at 10M is fine with me. Pens have already replaced the other guys pretty well and while the team depth is meh it was designed that way on purpose for Sullivan to play with his defensive matches, The guys we had were shit anyway, atleast our new shit can play a good fast defensive game.
 

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