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Yeah looks like it should be a nice leap in performance from my 5900x. I'll wait for some 4K benchmarks to come out though, I'd like to see what performance i can actually expect in game instead of these arbitrary CPU limited scenarios.
 
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Yeah looks like it should be a nice leap in performance from my 5900x. I'll wait for some 4K benchmarks to come out though, I'd like to see what performance i can actually expect in game instead of these arbitrary CPU limited scenarios.
TechPowerUp's review has 4K tests at the highest settings with a 4090 and the improvement is very small over the 7800X3D and even your 5900X, likely because the scenarios are now GPU limited.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/20.html

It seems like it's not worth upgrading to right now if you play at the highest settings for the best visual quality, but may be worth it if you play at more modest settings (High, DLSS, RT off, etc.) for higher framerates.
 
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The 9800X3D is selling out while the rest of the generation is gathering dust on shelves.

Maybe they will finally understand that actual performance uplifts=sales.
 

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I read that the 7800X3D went out of stock quickly when it was released, too, and took a few weeks to become available again, but then stayed in stock. Maybe it'll be the same with the 9800X3D. Like SolidSnakeUS, I don't mind as long as it's in stock in late Jan/early Feb. Of course, there are probably lots of other people waiting until then to upgrade, so maybe it'll actually be hard to get then, too. I hope not.
 

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TechPowerUp's review has 4K tests at the highest settings with a 4090 and the improvement is very small over the 7800X3D and even your 5900X.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/20.html

It seems like it's not worth upgrading to if you play at the highest resolution and settings for the best visual quality, but may be worth it if you play on more modest settings (lower resolution or with DLSS, on High settings, maybe RT off) to achieve higher framerates.
Thanks for that, I'll do more research but doesn't seem like it's worth buying a new CPU, motherboard, and RAM, at least for gaming.
 

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The performance uplift in CPU limited games is pretty impressive. When running Starfield at ultra settings, 4k DLSS performance, the 9800X3D has 1% lows equal to the average frame rate of the 5900X lol.

I'm not in a rush to upgrade so I'll probably wait until the 9900X3D and 5000 series GPUs are announced before I decide
 

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Went to purchase a SSD to put games on because the loading time is super fast. Ended up buying a SATA drive, but due to case issues and improper cable plugin I figured I would just let someone else do it.

Find out about M.2 drives which are pretty interesting and run faster. Might look into that for my next SSD drive (I could return the one I purchased saturday and get M.2 instead but I don't feel like it and the dang things are only 50 dollars)
 

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NVMe/m.2 drives are nice for space and cable management and much faster for reading and writing files, but don't make much difference to game loading times. You might save one second, but that's about it. Eventually, games might take advantage of technology like DirectStorage and perform better on such drives, but we're still waiting on that. For now, SATA drives are good enough for games. That's why even recommended ultra specs for games simply list "SSD" for storage and don't specify the type (SATA or NVMe).
 

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It's nice to see Intel be competitive. I'm not sure that it'll still be the best value GPU a month from now, though, as I expect the RX 8600 9070 non-XT to be at least a little bit better, especially in ray tracing, although it could be $50 more expensive, too.
 
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It's hard for me to get excited for hardware that'll be either outrageously expensive or short on VRAM.
 
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Powerful cards with a lack of VRAM is simply criminal. There is no point of pushing a technology like ray tracing if the card can't keep up because of a lack of memory.
 
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I can justify the high price because I use my PC for several different hobbies as well as building skills for work. I know not everyone can say the same.

High end GPUs also tend to hold their value really well. I'm about to sell my 4090 Founders Edition for more than I paid for it 1.5 years ago so even if the 5090 is more expensive it won't be more than a few hundred dollars out of pocket.
 

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Edit: They announced the 9950X3D, new AI-powered mobile CPUs and a partnership with Dell. There was nothing about RDNA 4 GPUs or FSR 4 upscaling. I guess that those announcements will come in a different presentation, but the whole world was expecting them in this keynote, so AMD has already turned some of the hype into disappointment and fumbled another product launch.
 
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AMD might of just had one of the largest GPU blunders in recent memory. Holy shit. They pulled the announcement of the 9070 and 9070 XT... yet youtubers were allowed to show off that announcement for them. AMD let Youtubers undercut them in the dumbest way possible. What a complete shitshow on the GPU side. Jesus...
 

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AMD might of just had one of the largest GPU blunders in recent memory. Holy shit. They pulled the announcement of the 9070 and 9070 XT... yet youtubers were allowed to show off that announcement for them. AMD let Youtubers undercut them in the dumbest way possible. What a complete shitshow on the GPU side. Jesus...

This doesn't help either. I get Nvidia does that exact same thing, but AMD has been trying to frame themselves as the "good guy" vs Intel and Nvidia for years now. To then just pull a move straight out of Nvidia's playbook.
 

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This doesn't help either. I get Nvidia does that exact same thing, but AMD has been trying to frame themselves as the "good guy" vs Intel and Nvidia for years now. To then just pull a move straight out of Nvidia's playbook.
I think that Videocardz may've misinterpreted the slide. It doesn't say that FSR 4 is available only for the 9070 series. It says that the "FSR 4 upgrade feature" is and works when games have only FSR 3.1 built in. It sounds like a feature to allow the 9070 series to use some features of FSR 4 (likely AI acceleration) even when games don't support greater than FSR 3.1. In other words, it may be a neat feature (albeit practically useless, as there are almost no FSR 3.1 games), but now the misinterpretation is going to spread even more because AMD missed the chance to clear it up hours ago.

Edit: It seems like this theory is incorrect and Videocardz interpreted it mostly correctly.
 
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I think that Videocardz may've misinterpreted the slide. It doesn't say that FSR 4 is available only for the 9070 series. It says that the "FSR 4 upgrade feature" is and only when games have FSR 3.1 built in. This sounds like a feature to allow 9070 series cards to use some features of FSR 4 (likely AI acceleration) even when games don't support greater than FSR 3.1. In other words, it may be a neat feature (albeit practically useless, as there are almost no FSR 3.1 games), but now the misinterpretation is going to spread even more because AMD passed on the chance to clear all of this up hours ago.

Personally, I think the fact that they completely skipped talking about the 9070 and let the Youtubers undercut them is pretty f***ing disastrous. It's ugly.
 

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Personally, I think the fact that they completely skipped talking about the 9070 and let the Youtubers undercut them is pretty f***ing disastrous. It's ugly.
It's a pretty big fumble, but I don't think that it's as bad as the launch and unlaunch of the 4080 12GB. Lisa Su was nowhere to be seen here, and she usually introduces graphics products, so they may be planning to hold a second event after Nvidia launches the 50 series. It's still disappointing, though.
 
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It's a pretty big fumble, but I don't think that it's as bad as the launch and unlaunch of the 4080 12GB. Lisa Su was nowhere to be seen here, and she usually introduces GPUs and FSR, so I'm guessing that they're planning for a second event. Maybe she's sick and they postponed it until later during CES. Who knows. It's still disappointing, though.

They said it would be talked about later in Q1... why talk about it later? What is later? You going to talk about this in March? Because that's a BAD idea.
 

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