Player Discussion Pavel Mintyukov

[cheesymc]

Kasper was gone though.

Yeah, based on how the 1st round played out... I can see why they went with Minty. I'm curious to see where they had him ranked on their list and if he was higher on their boards than Korchinski.

 

[Static]

Surprisingly little chatter on this kid here. Weren't there like 10 pages of bitching and gloating about McTavish by this point last year?

Negativity probably breeds more discussion. Not much to be upset about on this one.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

There's a lot to like in the descriptions of this player but the repeated Brandon Montour comparisons are kind of a brake on that.

It might be a style comparison but something about it just seems wrong. Mintyukov has way more upside than that, he can be a Chabot, Theodore type if it all works out, maybe adds a bit more jam than either of them. Also worth pointing out, while Montour did have a very atypical development curve, Mintyukov produced at a greater rate as an OHL rookie than Montour did in Jr B at the same age.

For all of Montour's hype as an offensive D, his numbers in the USHL as a 19/20/21 year old are not any more impressive than what Mintyukov produced at 17/18 in the OHL. Not to mention the latter has better physical tools.

Montour seems like a lower end of the realistic outcome spectrum for this prospect, at best.

 

[Static]

It might be a style comparison but something about it just seems wrong. Mintyukov has way more upside than that, he can be a Chabot, Theodore type if it all works out, maybe adds a bit more jam than either of them. Also worth pointing out, while Montour did have a very atypical development curve, Mintyukov produced at a greater rate as an OHL rookie than Montour did in Jr B at the same age.

For all of Montour's hype as an offensive D, his numbers in the USHL as a 19/20/21 year old are not any more impressive than what Mintyukov produced at 17/18 in the OHL. Not to mention the latter has better physical tools.

Montour seems like a lower end of the realistic outcome spectrum for this prospect, at best.

Yeah, that comparison is weird and probably based on offensive aggression. This kid processes the game better than Montour ever did.

 

[bsu]

Mintyukov is a lot more calculated & skilled than Montour.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Yeah, that comparison is weird and probably based on offensive aggression. This kid processes the game better than Montour ever did.

At this age he's probably way closer to Theo or Fowler than any other recent or current Ducks. Similar tools but hopefully can add a bit more of a physical edge.

 

[Goose of Reason]

It might be a style comparison but something about it just seems wrong. Mintyukov has way more upside than that, he can be a Chabot, Theodore type if it all works out, maybe adds a bit more jam than either of them. Also worth pointing out, while Montour did have a very atypical development curve, Mintyukov produced at a greater rate as an OHL rookie than Montour did in Jr B at the same age.

For all of Montour's hype as an offensive D, his numbers in the USHL as a 19/20/21 year old are not any more impressive than what Mintyukov produced at 17/18 in the OHL. Not to mention the latter has better physical tools.

Montour seems like a lower end of the realistic outcome spectrum for this prospect, at best.

Yeah from all the video I've been watching Mintyukov's playmaking is in a completely different dimension than Montour's. Montour had his shot but not a lot of creativity.

 

[Deuce22]

At this age he's probably way closer to Theo or Fowler than any other recent or current Ducks. Similar tools but hopefully can add a bit more of a physical edge.

A better shot than Fowler and more creative with the puck on his stick than Theodore. Haven't seen enough of him but doubt if he can skate like Fowler. If he can learn to get his shot though to the net as well as Theodore does, Ducks could have a PP gem.

 

[Kariya 9]

Seems more like a rangier Theodore to me than Montour.

 

[Mr Rogers]

He’s got better hands than a lot of F prospects

 

[Fighter]

Certainly I didn't expect a russian to be picked after what it felt like forever, but I like what I read about this kid: strong skater, offensive upside, good size. As usual, let's hope he's left to develop properly.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

This was my first choice if we took a D, very happy with the pick. Can't help but wonder if this is a signal that management feels that LaCombe and Thrun aren't going to sign. Thinking of Drysdale, Zellweger, and Mintyukov running future PP's sounds fun.

Drafting D Minty doesn't have any bearing about LaCombe and Thrun. With 4 picks in the top-53, I was expecting to draft 2 defensemen, an OFD and DFD. We did just that with Minty and Warren. But the Luneau pick might be the tell.

I think the two forwards Verbeek wanted around 10 were gone in Gauthier and Kasper. Both fit the mold of big, tough to play against, high motor, and fast PF's.

Now we can see there was an priority for size. D Matey is 5'10 and not a fit for us per size. Forwards Nazar, Lekkerimaki, and Kemell are all 5'10. Geekie is 6'4, but slow as hell and doesn't play that PF style that Verbeek likes. Minty was the only BPA at 10 for us under the new management drafting guidelines. We could have reached for a McGroarty or Bichsel at 10th, but Minty was already there.

I wonder who would we have drafted if both Korchinski and Minty were there at 10? I would still choose Minty over Korchinski, but it would still be interesting if to know if Verbeek wanted Korchinski first.

IMO, if Eakins were to stay as our head coach, then Minty is the better fit for our pinching D to play 4F. Minty's a natural at jumping down and attacking. Korchinski is a blueline offensive D.

 

[Deuce22]

Drafting D Minty doesn't have any bearing about LaCombe and Thrun. With 4 picks in the top-53, I was expecting to draft 2 defensemen, an OFD and DFD. We did just that with Minty and Warren. But the Luneau pick might be the tell.

I think the two forwards Verbeek wanted around 10 were gone in Gauthier and Kasper. Both fit the mold of big, tough to play against, high motor, and fast PF's.

Now we can see there was an priority for size. D Matey is 5'10 and not a fit for us per size. Forwards Nazar, Lekkerimaki, and Kemell are all 5'10. Geekie is 6'4, but slow as hell and doesn't play that PF style that Verbeek likes. Minty was the only BPA at 10 for us under the new management drafting guidelines. We could have reached for a McGroarty or Bichsel at 10th, but Minty was already there.

I wonder who would we have drafted if both Korchinski and Minty were there at 10? I would still choose Minty over Korchinski, but it would still be interesting if to know if Verbeek wanted Korchinski first.

IMO, if Eakins were to stay as our head coach, then Minty is the better fit for our pinching D to play 4F. Minty's a natural at jumping down and attacking. Korchinski is a blueline offensive D.

I'm not sure that if LaCombe and Thrun were already in the fold that Verbeek wouldn't have taken a forward. Unless you have knowledge the rest of us don't, you can't be sure either.

 

[bsu]

I'm not sure that if LaCombe and Thrun were already in the fold that Verbeek wouldn't have taken a forward. Unless you have knowledge the rest of us don't, you can't be sure either.

We'll never know.

 

[Deuce22]

We'll never know.

Nope. It was interesting that Verbeek pretty much stayed away from college guys ,however.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Nope. It was interesting that Verbeek pretty much stayed away from college guys ,however.

Its just nice having insurance incase they don't sign but if they do sign that means more assets to use in a quantity for quality trade.
What is the trade value of Thrun and LaCombe right now ?

 

[Goose of Reason]

Nope. It was interesting that Verbeek pretty much stayed away from college guys ,however.

If you look at Tampa and Detroit's draft history since Yzerman took over, CHL guys and Europeans really outnumber the American guys they take. Really seems like its deliberate to have more control over their picks. I can't imagine many college players would pass up signing with the best franchise in the league though in Tampa's case.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

This was my first choice if we took a D, very happy with the pick. Can't help but wonder if this is a signal that management feels that LaCombe and Thrun aren't going to sign. Thinking of Drysdale, Zellweger, and Mintyukov running future PP's sounds fun.

I'm not sure that if LaCombe and Thrun were already in the fold that Verbeek wouldn't have taken a forward. Unless you have knowledge the rest of us don't, you can't be sure either.

I don't think your response makes sense b/c I didn't bring up theories with the 10th overall pick of Gauthier or Kasper would be available.

Given, with respect to Verbeek (Anaheim):

1. Verbeek wants tall players​

2. Verbeek wants players who are hard to play against​

Given, with respect to draft:

10. LD Minty: 6'2 OFD​

11. C Geekie: 6'4 passive center, slow skater ... does not fit Verbeek​

12. LD Mateychuk: 5'10 OFD ... does not fit Verbeek​

13. C Nazar: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

14. C McGroarty: 6'1 ... a fit, but a reach at 10 with Minty there​

15. RW Lekkerimaki: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

16. C Ostlund: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

17. RW Kemell: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek ​

18. LD Bichsel: 6'5 DFD ... a fit, but a reach at 10 with MInty there​

Due to the talents drafted after D Minty and with the preference of Verbeek, Minty is the most obvious selection at 10th, he's got the size, compete, and skill combo. There is no signal that mgmt feels that LaCombe and Thrun aren't going to sign by drafting Minty at 10th overall.

Again, I've stated all along before the draft that we'd be drafting at least two defensemen with our top-4 picks. One would be an OFD and the other a DFD. 10th selection OFD Minty wouldn't be the tell. 42nd selection DFD Warren also wouldn't be the tell. The tell "could be" two-way D Luneau, drafted at 53rd overall.

Minty at 10th overall is not the tell when you use the preferences Verbeek has, knowledge that we know after the draft. If you didn't know that knowledge, then at least I'm able to enlighten you with said knowledge.

 

[bsu]

I don't think your response makes sense b/c I didn't bring up theories with the 10th overall pick of Gauthier or Kasper would be available.

Given, with respect to Verbeek (Anaheim):

1. Verbeek wants tall players​

2. Verbeek wants players who are hard to play against​

Given, with respect to draft:

10. LD Minty: 6'2 OFD​

11. C Geekie: 6'4 passive center, slow skater ... does not fit Verbeek​

12. LD Mateychuk: 5'10 OFD ... does not fit Verbeek​

13. C Nazar: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

14. C McGroarty: 6'1 ... a fit, but a reach at 10 with Minty there​

15. RW Lekkerimaki: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

16. C Ostlund: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

17. RW Kemell: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek ​

18. LD Bichsel: 6'5 DFD ... a fit, but a reach at 10 with MInty there​

Due to the talents drafted after D Minty and with the preference of Verbeek, Minty is the most obvious selection at 10th, he's got the size, compete, and skill combo. There is no signal that mgmt feels that LaCombe and Thrun aren't going to sign by drafting Minty at 10th overall.

Again, I've stated all along before the draft that we'd be drafting at least two defensemen with our top-4 picks. One would be an OFD and the other a DFD. 10th selection OFD Minty wouldn't be the tell. 42nd selection DFD Warren also wouldn't be the tell. The tell "could be" two-way D Luneau, drafted at 53rd overall.

Minty at 10th overall is not the tell when you use the preferences Verbeek has, knowledge that we know after the draft. If you didn't know that knowledge, then at least I'm able to enlighten you with said knowledge.

Do you ever re-read your posts and realize you know as much as the people you think you're correcting? You have no idea what verbeek is thinking and think little comments he makes tell the story... Every GM says the usual shit just like every player says we need to get pucks deep and get on their defensemen. Verbeek seems to play everything close to his chest like Murray did and we can't use Tampa or Detroit as examples because we don't even know what players he really had a say in or if Yzerman made all the last calls. We know he played a role we just don't know how much, Yzerman speaks highly of him which is great but in reality says nothing, you're going to speak highly of people that have been around you for that long. There's also probably a reason he worked with Yzerman that long but yeah no one on here has any idea and shouldn't t act like that do. He could love big players he could love agility he could be good he could be horrible. We aren't going to be able to get a gauge on him or the team for a couple seasons as he has never been a GM or had the final call in anything.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Do you ever re-read your posts and realize you know as much as the people you think you're correcting? You have no idea what verbeek is thinking and think little comments he makes tell the story... Every GM says the usual shit just like every player says we need to get pucks deep and get on their defensemen. Verbeek seems to play everything close to his chest like Murray did and we can't use Tampa or Detroit as examples because we don't even know what players he really had a say in or if Yzerman made all the last calls. We know he played a role we just don't know how much, Yzerman speaks highly of him which is great but in reality says nothing, you're going to speak highly of people that have been around you for that long. There's also probably a reason he worked with Yzerman that long but yeah no one on here has any idea and shouldn't t act like that do. He could love big players he could love agility he could be good he could be horrible. We aren't going to be able to get a gauge on him or the team for a couple seasons as he has never been a GM or had the final call in anything.

I mean we could just ask PV

@tomd whats your goal the rest of the offseason, going into next season?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Do you ever re-read your posts and realize you know as much as the people you think you're correcting? You have no idea what verbeek is thinking and think little comments he makes tell the story... Every GM says the usual shit just like every player says we need to get pucks deep and get on their defensemen. Verbeek seems to play everything close to his chest like Murray did and we can't use Tampa or Detroit as examples because we don't even know what players he really had a say in or if Yzerman made all the last calls. We know he played a role we just don't know how much, Yzerman speaks highly of him which is great but in reality says nothing, you're going to speak highly of people that have been around you for that long. There's also probably a reason he worked with Yzerman that long but yeah no one on here has any idea and shouldn't t act like that do. He could love big players he could love agility he could be good he could be horrible. We aren't going to be able to get a gauge on him or the team for a couple seasons as he has never been a GM or had the final call in anything.

Yeah... so what you're saying is it's okay for you and others to make assumptions, but not me b/c patterns don't exists in this realm. How many times do y'all have to reproduce these events and not be cognizant of it? (That's rhetorical.)

 

[bsu]

His favorite player is Mikhail Sergachev; if he turned into that I'd be thrilled. I personally think he's a tiny bit better than Fowler. Wish the best for him he played on a really bad team and led them in scoring as a rookie. He missed almost the entire year before because of Covid. I'd excited to see what he looks like next year if he gets traded to a contender like McTavish did.

 

[Deuce22]

I don't think your response makes sense b/c I didn't bring up theories with the 10th overall pick of Gauthier or Kasper would be available.

Given, with respect to Verbeek (Anaheim):

1. Verbeek wants tall players​

2. Verbeek wants players who are hard to play against​

Given, with respect to draft:

10. LD Minty: 6'2 OFD​

11. C Geekie: 6'4 passive center, slow skater ... does not fit Verbeek​

12. LD Mateychuk: 5'10 OFD ... does not fit Verbeek​

13. C Nazar: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

14. C McGroarty: 6'1 ... a fit, but a reach at 10 with Minty there​

15. RW Lekkerimaki: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

16. C Ostlund: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek​

17. RW Kemell: 5'10 ... does not fit Verbeek ​

18. LD Bichsel: 6'5 DFD ... a fit, but a reach at 10 with MInty there​

Due to the talents drafted after D Minty and with the preference of Verbeek, Minty is the most obvious selection at 10th, he's got the size, compete, and skill combo. There is no signal that mgmt feels that LaCombe and Thrun aren't going to sign by drafting Minty at 10th overall.

Again, I've stated all along before the draft that we'd be drafting at least two defensemen with our top-4 picks. One would be an OFD and the other a DFD. 10th selection OFD Minty wouldn't be the tell. 42nd selection DFD Warren also wouldn't be the tell. The tell "could be" two-way D Luneau, drafted at 53rd overall.

Minty at 10th overall is not the tell when you use the preferences Verbeek has, knowledge that we know after the draft. If you didn't know that knowledge, then at least I'm able to enlighten you with said knowledge.

Taking the small sample of this draft and claiming that every player that isn’t tall “doesn’t fit Verbeek” isn’t the analysis of someone who I need to “enlighten” me.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

This is the most excited i've ever been about a Dman prospect. Its like static said, this is the Zegras like Dman pick.
Wasn't as excited with Drysdale as i am with Mintykov.
He's gonna produce more offensively than Serchachev. Sergachev tops out at 38 to 40 points on a team with a ton of elite forwards.

The only tiny flaw he has is that he could improve more on his skating but his skating is already good.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

I just don’t understand why people aren’t excited with Verbeek and his drafting this year. @Hockey Duckie I usually agree with you, but i think your looking at it the wrong way. Again, I know I haven’t watched a ton of Ducks hockey this season, but I felt like they were pushed around too much. The Ducks lack an identity.

It’s nice to have Zegras and Drysdale as new ‘cornerstones’ to start with in this rebuild, but they just seem so easily pushed off the puck.

Especially after the Beagle incident, we need in your face, grinding players. Maybe McTavish develops into that, but I’m super happy with how this draft went. These players drafted, although tall, seem to be athletic freaks - and that could help their development even better