Player Discussion Pavel Mintyukov

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I just don’t understand why people aren’t excited with Verbeek and his drafting this year. @Hockey Duckie I usually agree with you, but i think your looking at it the wrong way. Again, I know I haven’t watched a ton of Ducks hockey this season, but I felt like they were pushed around too much. The Ducks lack an identity.

It’s nice to have Zegras and Drysdale as new ‘cornerstones’ to start with in this rebuild, but they just seem so easily pushed off the puck.

Especially after the Beagle incident, we need in your face, grinding players. Maybe McTavish develops into that, but I’m super happy with how this draft went. These players drafted, although tall, seem to be athletic freaks - and that could help their development even better

Acquiring a pugilist or two will help from us being bullied this season is the minimum I want out of Verbeek this off-season. I said this in another thread. We had two known pugilists in Manson and Des for a few years, but were traded away at the TDL. Des was a great find b/c he developed his game to where he was useful on the PK. Carrick would get into fights two seasons ago, but last year I didn't get that feeling he would jump in.

Next year, we're actually going to have three physical guys in the lineup in McTavish, Jones, and Comtois. I added Comtois b/c that's what Comtois started doing at the end of the season. Lundy doesn't get run over. We do have a few players in the AHL level who are grit & grind players in C Groulx, C Lopina, and winger Drew. Drew is a fighter and could become like Des.

Comtois getting out of shape and Jones being injured for the season did hamper the Ducks physical aspect in the top-9 last year. And it showed.
 
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I just don’t understand why people aren’t excited with Verbeek and his drafting this year. @Hockey Duckie I usually agree with you, but i think your looking at it the wrong way. Again, I know I haven’t watched a ton of Ducks hockey this season, but I felt like they were pushed around too much. The Ducks lack an identity.

It’s nice to have Zegras and Drysdale as new ‘cornerstones’ to start with in this rebuild, but they just seem so easily pushed off the puck.

Especially after the Beagle incident, we need in your face, grinding players. Maybe McTavish develops into that, but I’m super happy with how this draft went. These players drafted, although tall, seem to be athletic freaks - and that could help their development even better
Yeah its not like they went after the Geekie's of the world who can't skate.
Big men who can skate are a plus. If Dach was slow he would not have gone #3.
 

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I just don’t understand why people aren’t excited with Verbeek and his drafting this year. @Hockey Duckie I usually agree with you, but i think your looking at it the wrong way. Again, I know I haven’t watched a ton of Ducks hockey this season, but I felt like they were pushed around too much. The Ducks lack an identity.

It’s nice to have Zegras and Drysdale as new ‘cornerstones’ to start with in this rebuild, but they just seem so easily pushed off the puck.

Especially after the Beagle incident, we need in your face, grinding players. Maybe McTavish develops into that, but I’m super happy with how this draft went. These players drafted, although tall, seem to be athletic freaks - and that could help their development even better
Agreed, the defense has been restocked and with how the team develops D, they should have a few NHL players out of that crop at least. This will let the scouting staff focus on much needed forwards next year when (from the sounds of it) it's a forward heavy draft. There's also a good mix of skill, speed and size on the back end.
 

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We had two known pugilists in Manson and Des for a few years, but were traded away at the TDL. Des was a great find b/c he developed his game to where he was useful on the PK. Carrick would get into fights two seasons ago, but last year I didn't get that feeling he would jump in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't feel like Manson was particularly 'physical' when he was here. It seems like many forget that he would have one good game, and then three inconsistent ones - no matter his defensive partner. I'm just tired of wanting the same players back and expecting different results.

It's the same reason why I just want to start brand new. The culture needs to change. Josh was here for a long time but it didn't amount to much 'winning-wise'. Bringing back repeated players is just a step back in my opinion.
Yeah its not like they went after the Geekie's of the world who can't skate.
Big men who can skate are a plus. If Dach was slow he would not have gone #3.

Sure, there are some naysayers who will complain that we didn't draft 'skill' but then the same people that say will claim that next year is an even better crop for forwards. So which one is it? I'm sorry, but lately outside of Zegras, Drysdale and McTavish (maybe Zellweger?) I don't find our prospect pool that particularly exciting.

Agreed, the defense has been restocked and with how the team develops D, they should have a few NHL players out of that crop at least. This will let the scouting staff focus on much needed forwards next year when (from the sounds of it) it's a forward heavy draft. There's also a good mix of skill, speed and size on the back end.

Plus, if Verbeek goes with what his mantra is (waiting for prospects to become seasoned), we should theoretically hit the jackpot on some of these guys. I hate to use the Tampa example but just look at those guys on the back end: big athletic freaks who dominate year after year.
 

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The more I watch the more he reminds me a little of Provorov too.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't feel like Manson was particularly 'physical' when he was here. It seems like many forget that he would have one good game, and then three inconsistent ones - no matter his defensive partner. I'm just tired of wanting the same players back and expecting different results.

It's the same reason why I just want to start brand new. The culture needs to change. Josh was here for a long time but it didn't amount to much 'winning-wise'. Bringing back repeated players is just a step back in my opinion.


Sure, there are some naysayers who will complain that we didn't draft 'skill' but then the same people that say will claim that next year is an even better crop for forwards. So which one is it? I'm sorry, but lately outside of Zegras, Drysdale and McTavish (maybe Zellweger?) I don't find our prospect pool that particularly exciting.



Plus, if Verbeek goes with what his mantra is (waiting for prospects to become seasoned), we should theoretically hit the jackpot on some of these guys. I hate to use the Tampa example but just look at those guys on the back end: big athletic freaks who dominate year after year.
I can't think of a single Dmen prospect in next years draft. I also have really only payed attention to Bedard and Michkov in 2023 draft.
About a year ago i was thinking of Nemec, Jiricek and Luneau(then he got hurt).
2 years ago there was already a ton of talk about Bedard and Michkov, the expectation is Bedard is Crosby level and Michkov is Ovi level prospect.
I feel as though the 2022 and 2021 drafts were great for Dmen.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't feel like Manson was particularly 'physical' when he was here. It seems like many forget that he would have one good game, and then three inconsistent ones - no matter his defensive partner. I'm just tired of wanting the same players back and expecting different results.

It's the same reason why I just want to start brand new. The culture needs to change. Josh was here for a long time but it didn't amount to much 'winning-wise'. Bringing back repeated players is just a step back in my opinion.

Manson was our sole pugilist until Murray traded for Des in 2019. Des took on most of the fighting so Manson didn't. This has been reported online by Des himself.

I think fans took both Lindholm and Manson for granted with their physical, defensive play. Injuries have plagued both of them of late. When both are healthy, along with Fowler, we can reduce goals against by a significant amount. On the PK, it's very revealing when both are gone.

Ducks
2020-21GamesPPGPPOEffRankPK GATSHPK EffRank
1 to 5656111238.9%31st3316479.9%16th

That's with Lindholm missing 38 out of 56 games. Manson was our #1 defensive guy with Lindholm out.


Ducks
2021-22
Game SetGamesPPGPPOEffPK GATSHPK Eff
1 to 3333239025.6%128585.9%
34 to 6229198522.4%178980.9%
63 to 822064413.6%145072.0%

Game 1-33: Fowler, Manson, and Lindholm all healthy.​
Game 34-62: Fowler missed 4 games, Manson missed 16 games, and Lindholm missed 2 games.​
Game 63-82: Fowler left after TDL.​

When comparing 2020-21 missing Lindholm with 2021-22 missing Manson during game set 34-62, the PK Eff is very similar.

It is undeniable how great the defense is when all three of Fowler, Manson, and Lindholm were on the ice in game set 1-33.

There is a significant drop in our PK efficiency without both Lindholm and Manson in 2021-22 after the TDL. That missing physicality affected all of our offensive defensemen at ES and on the PP. I hope that settles that we're a better team with Manson in the lineup, but amazing with both Manson and Lindholm

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The problem isn't with Lindholm and Manson. The problem was the lack of NHL defensive depth behind them.

Anaheim didn't draft any defensemen in the first two rounds in 2016-2018, drafted only two defensemen in that time. Before that, Larsson was a 2015 pick and that didn't pan out. In 2014, the Ducks did have DFD Pettersson and OFD Montour, both in the 2nd round. We lost both 2014 defensemen in 2018-19 season: Pettersson was traded for F Sprong for offense to stay in the playoff race; Monty was traded at the TDL. That's a 5-year gap void of talented defensive prospects gone.

2019 was when the Ducks went back to drafting defensemen early and in bunches.

2019
Rd 2. LD LaCombe (OFD)​
Rd 4. LD Thrun (DFD)​
Rd 6. RD Francis​
Rd 7. LD Hill​

2020
Rd 1. RD Drysdale (2-way)​
Rd 3. RD Moore (OFD)​
Rd 4. RD Nickl​

2021
Rd 2. LD Zelleweger (OFD)​
Rd 3. LD HInds (DFD)​

2022
Rd 1. LD Mintyukov (OFD)​
Rd 2. RD Warren (DFD)​
Rd 2. RD Luneau (2-way)​

We also traded for RD Andersson (a 2018 Rd 2 pick), LD Vaak (a 2017 Rd 1 pick at 2021-22 TDL), and RD Helleson (a 2019 Rd 2 pick at 2021-22 TDL).

None of our own defensive draft picks, save Drysdale, have seen NHL ice yet. And Drysdale still isn't ready for top-4 duties in the NHL level. That 5-year gap of missing defensemen has been hurting us.
 

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Sure, there are some naysayers who will complain that we didn't draft 'skill' but then the same people that say will claim that next year is an even better crop for forwards. So which one is it? I'm sorry, but lately outside of Zegras, Drysdale and McTavish (maybe Zellweger?) I don't find our prospect pool that particularly exciting.

With top-10 guys, it's easier to see immediate production. The further away you go, the less likely the chances of having players make the NHL. Yet, Anaheim ranks high in being one of the most productive draft teams. We were ranked top-5 farm team before the season started, which didn't include Zegras, Drysdale, or Lundestrom. How are you not enamored with Lundestrom's defense, speed, and propensity to score on the PK?!

The Ducks draft philosophy usually is to draft a player for who they might become into the future. We manage to figure this out for defense and goalies. Murray raved about our 3 NCAA defensemen in LaCombe, Thrun, and Moore. Tracey and Perreault are on an upward swing with last season's AHL production. Groulx had a minor setback last year, while Colangelo had a bounce back year. Comtois fell off the world. That whole 2021 class was actually quite exciting to follow! Lopina became official Ducks property before McTavish! Zellweger isn't exciting? He's probably a top-10 selection in this year's draft if he was born a week later!

As for not drafting skill, I don't think many believe that... at least I don't think that. I think PV prioritized height and physicality over higher skill potential with some of his picks. Minty was the best of both worlds at being tall and high-end skill. It's okay to be critical b/c it leads to some discussion.
 
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Another poster on here (sorry forgot who) mentioned it but I really wonder if SJ traded back/traded with AZ because they wanted Minty.
 
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Drafted: 10th overall

EP rank: 7th

Bobs list rank: 12th

Skating: 6

Shooting: 5

Passing: 6.5

Puckhandling: 7

Hockey Sense: 7

Physical: 6

EP awards: 4th best vision, 2nd best transition defenseman, 1st best offensive defenseman

Combine top 10s: 8th- right hand grip strength

Accolades: U17 WHC gold, OHL third all star team



EP Quotes:

“The tools are strong, but Mintyukov mainly relies on his cunning and guile to pick the opposition apart.”



“And when openings weren’t already there, he made them with deceptive handling, look-offs, and feints.”



“Mintyukov’s puck skill is unique for a defenseman.”



“If there is a weak point in his game, [his shooting] is it.”



“Mintyukov has the tools to one day develop into an effective in zone defender, but he’s not quite there yet.”



“We saw a fair bit of improvement from Mintyukov defensively as the season progressed, but it is still far from a selling point to his game.”



Thinking of making prospect profiles like this for the rest of the draft class, should I add any categories? I tried to make them based around non surface level info like production, size, etc.
 

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Another poster on here (sorry forgot who) mentioned it but I really wonder if SJ traded back/traded with AZ because they wanted Minty.
I mentioned a day or so before the draft that SJ's board seemed to want Mintykov.
I thought if Anaheim goes Korchinski that SJ goes Minty.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't feel like Manson was particularly 'physical' when he was here. It seems like many forget that he would have one good game, and then three inconsistent ones - no matter his defensive partner. I'm just tired of wanting the same players back and expecting different results.

It's the same reason why I just want to start brand new. The culture needs to change. Josh was here for a long time but it didn't amount to much 'winning-wise'. Bringing back repeated players is just a step back in my opinion.


Sure, there are some naysayers who will complain that we didn't draft 'skill' but then the same people that say will claim that next year is an even better crop for forwards. So which one is it? I'm sorry, but lately outside of Zegras, Drysdale and McTavish (maybe Zellweger?) I don't find our prospect pool that particularly exciting.



Plus, if Verbeek goes with what his mantra is (waiting for prospects to become seasoned), we should theoretically hit the jackpot on some of these guys. I hate to use the Tampa example but just look at those guys on the back end: big athletic freaks who dominate year after year.
Manson was physical when he could catch guys on the rush or the cycle and he could use his mobility and lower body strength to rub them out or light them up with a big hit. But that wasn't too frequent and IMO he wasn't particularly effective in controlling the front of the net, honestly I don't think he's anything special in that area, often outmuscled. Lindholm was stronger.

Josh is obviously a willing protector and I think he makes his teammates more comfortable so I'd gladly have him back, but I agree that his physicality is kind of an overrated aspect of his game. He's a mobile puck mover who can occasionally score a big hit, not a crease-clearer.
 

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Those are some really good highlights there.

I guess there is a chance he gets a stint with the Ducks to start the year. But not sure if he will stick around for the whole year.
 

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how long do you guys think it'll be before he's ready for the NHL?
Based on what Yzerman/Verbeek did in Detroit they probably let him develop longer like Seider/Edvinsson.

Worked out well in Colorado with Sakic letting Makar develop longer too.
Glad Bob Murray isn't here anymore to rush Mintykov.
 
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