Player Discussion: Patrik Laine IVever: a new hope? (Laine out of PAP, trade request still stands)

[VT]

I'll tell you exactly what would happen. If Laine was traded, he would be healthy, one wouldn't get injured anymore, if he did it would be a minor injury. With better ones ( we have great ones too but they are often injured) he would be one of the best players in the NHL again. And we would get nothing because his price is low due to his play this season.

 

[CBJ goalie]

^^^
That's a stretch, saying if he's traded he won't get injured again.
Although I'm frustrated with his injuries, some are fluky and some are bad luck.

 

[Halfboard]

Laine has 6 goals and 3 assists in 18 games, 3+1 in last 5 games

Marchenko has 6+2 in last 18 games (one hattrick) and 1+0 in his last 5 games and 2+1 in games after his hattrick (15)
Gaudreau has 3+12 in last 18 games, but 0+5 from from the start this year (10 games) and 0+4 in his last 5 games

Both were health, did not have concussion.

I know there are advanced stats, but @Halfboard was talking about goals. Besides, this is Laine's 5th season, and he's played perfectly in the last two, especially last season. I wonder how many points and goals (+advanced stats) Matthews would have scored if he was playing here and had similarly stupid injuries like Patrik. I'm not saying that worse, just interested.

Perfectly??????

Comparing him in any way to Matthews is laughable

 

[Marioesque]

Again, all this discussion is about a guy with 6 goals. Six.

Mainly these conversations happen when people start saying wild stuff like suggesting we have so many better PP players that it's justified not to use him to his max.

 

[Halfboard]

Mainly these conversations happen when people start saying wild stuff like suggesting we have so many better PP players that it's justified not to use him to his max.

A traffic cone would be as effective as he is/was

 

[Marioesque]

A traffic cone would be as effective as he is/was

Right. See this is the shit that keeps this thread kicking even when he's out.

 

[Halfboard]

A traffic cone would be as effective as he is/was

don’t ever change…..

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[stevo61]

Quick on the draw. Tis the season that keeps on giving. Hopefully everything sorts itself out but if its something because of the team I hope its another nail in this managements coffin

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Last few years have been very tough on the young man. On and off the ice.

I hope he’s alright and wish him the best

 

[JetsNut]

A traffic cone would be as effective as he is/was

I’m assuming when you say “was” you mean recently. During his time in Winnipeg he was an elite talent. Raw goal scorer with one of the best shots in the league. It’s said to see his career take a wrong turn, wishing him all the best. Very genuine kid.

 

[stevo61]

I’m assuming when you say “was” you mean recently. During his time in Winnipeg he was an elite talent. Raw goal scorer with one of the best shots in the league. It’s said to see his career take a wrong turn, wishing him all the best. Very genuine kid.

Byfuglien was a big boost to him and we dont have someone who takes that kind of attention and makes plays at his level currently. If Laine stick around and guys like Fantilli/Jiricek reach their potential its going to be a boost for everyone

 

[Marioesque]

I’m assuming when you say “was” you mean recently. During his time in Winnipeg he was an elite talent. Raw goal scorer with one of the best shots in the league. It’s said to see his career take a wrong turn, wishing him all the best. Very genuine kid.

He was the best player last season, when he was in.

Halfboard is just misrepresenting reality. Piling on an injured player.

 

[KCbus]

FFS.

When does his contract expire?

 

[thebus88]

Guess it wasn’t the “concussion” that was problem after all??

Of course this will just be another thing used to excuse everything once again either way.

I really want to know what other offers we had at the time for Dubois. At the time of the trade, or god forbid at times before that. Uhhh, nevermind, I’d prolly need to make it into an assistance program myself, if so.

Never forget the “joke” about Roslovic being the best asset we got in return for Dubois. That simply says it all, in regards to what Laine’s performance and time has been with the CBJ.

 

[VT]

Perfectly??????

Comparing him in any way to Matthews is laughable

I'm not comparing him to Matthews, I'm just writing that I wonder what stats Matthews would have. I think I made that clear in the comment as well.

 

[KCbus]

Pretty much, @thebus88. We tried to trade our problem to another team in exchange for their problem, and it failed spectacularly. With the exception of one ten to fifteen game stretch where he was on an absolute heater a season or two ago, Laine has dramatically underperformed. When he's been out there at all.

Some of the injuries are just bad luck. He got a concussion from a cheap shot, and fractured a clavicle from a collision with the boards that would have injured pretty much anyone. But now, he's on his way back and suddenly he's going into rehab or something? I do hope he's OK on a human level, but as a fan, there's no way to deny that this whole thing has been a train wreck.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Where people’s heads go in situations like this says a lot about who they are. True colors come out. Not that I'm surprised about what we're seeing from some people

 

[VT]

FFS.

When does his contract expire?

Since Laine doesn't drink alcohol, I feel that one possibility may be that injuries are starting to influence on him, especially concussions. I mean, he may not be mentally coping with permanent unfortunate injuries. But it is only theory.

 

[thebus88]

I'm not comparing him to Matthews, I'm just writing that I wonder what stats Matthews would have. I think I made that clear in the comment as well.

The problem is that some of you continue to only care about INDIVIDUAL STATS.

It should be about the team WINNING GAMES.

While he would be A MUCH BETTER option than Laine for every conceivable reason you could think of, Matthew’s isn’t even the type of player (other than being a center) that the CBJ team needs, and he himself also wouldn’t turn the team back into a “winner”.

I’ve said the same thing about the possibility of the team drafting Bedard. SURE, he and that level of offensive player would help the team, but even he isn’t what the team NEEDS at this point.

 

[VT]

Pretty much, @thebus88. We tried to trade our problem to another team in exchange for their problem, and it failed spectacularly. With the exception of one ten to fifteen game stretch where he was on an absolute heater a season or two ago, Laine has dramatically underperformed. When he's been out there at all.

Some of the injuries are just bad luck. He got a concussion from a cheap shot, and fractured a clavicle from a collision with the boards that would have injured pretty much anyone. But now, he's on his way back and suddenly he's going into rehab or something? I do hope he's OK on a human level, but as a fan, there's no way to deny that this whole thing has been a train wreck.

Laine played 55/56 games. That wasn't a short stretch to have the stats he had. Yes, he needed some games to interface, but that's normal.

 

[Marioesque]

Where people’s heads go in situations like this says a lot about who they are. True colors come out. Not that I'm surprised about what we're seeing from some people

Yup, no surprises

 

[Crede777]

Where people’s heads go in situations like this says a lot about who they are. True colors come out. Not that I'm surprised about what we're seeing from some people

I thought we were supposed to refrain from speculation on this site but apparently it's being allowed in the main thread.

 

[VT]

Yup, no surprises

I won't say from where, as it is a private matter, but it is in such cases that I have seen the true nature of people. And although you guys here mean rather in a bad way, I was pleasantly shocked at how many turned out to be good with great G, although I didn't expect it.

 

[KCbus]

Laine played 55/56 games. That wasn't a short stretch to have the stats he had. Yes, he needed some games to interface, but that's normal.

I'm honestly not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Since Laine doesn't drink alcohol,

I actually didn't know that.