Value of: Patrick Kane to the Sabres at the trade deadline

[GRob83]

Chicago could give Kane to Buffalo for free and they still wouldn't make the playoffs. Kanes age and the Sabres timeline aren't a very good match.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Yeah, I don't see that happening

No doubt you see Matt Murray and Samsonov as 2a and 2B goalies. Right? Maybe 3AB.

 

[franste Perreault]

This is assuming Kane is requesting to go home to Buffalo and the Sabres are somewhat in the playoff hunt in February. Sabres could just wait to sign him next summer but it could be a trade similar to Taylor Hall where the Sabres got a 2nd, Bjork and Lazar. Chicago doesn't want him to walk for nothing. Buffalo does have three 2nd round picks in 2023 and also have the rights to Portillo and Ryan Johnson which could all be included in a package. What is realistic at the deadline under this scenario.

They only need to wait at the end of the season and put him under contract.
No need to pay to get his right

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No doubt you see Matt Murray and Samsonov as 2a and 2B goalies. Right? Maybe 3AB.

I don't trust the Leafs goaltending at all. difference is I know that the Leafs can outscore their goaltending issues.

I know that because despite having arguably the NHL's worst goaltending after November they won 54 games, they won those games because they had the #2 offense in the NHL behind only Florida.

Buffalo doesn't have the offense to do that they can't outscore their goaltending issues.

 

[Pens x]

It would be cool to see him go home, but I doubt it happens.

 

[Shakabakes]

Makes absolutely no sense for the Sabres to give up much needed Picks/Prospects during a time where they still won't be making the Playoffs.

Kane could legitimately choose to sign there in the Offseason. No reason to give up Futures for him when you can simply wait for Free Agency.

 

[StrompTroller]

Makes absolutely no sense for the Sabres to give up much needed Picks/Prospects during a time where they still won't be making the Playoffs.

Kane could legitimately choose to sign there in the Offseason. No reason to give up Futures for him when you can simply wait for Free Agency.

To play devil's advocate the team with by far the deepest prospect pipeline doesnt have a "much needed picks/prospects" problem. If anything they have a top tier talent deficiency with incredible young depth behind.

While I completely agree it makes no sense to bleed assets for Kane when you can take your shot in free agency instead I just took exception to saying the Sabres have any remote need for prospects or picks. If anything they should be looking to trade some of them to bolster their lineup. Kane just isn't wise if you think you can get him in free agency for nothing...

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

To play devil's advocate the team with by far the deepest prospect pipeline doesnt have a "much needed picks/prospects" problem. If anything they have a top tier talent deficiency with incredible young depth behind.

While I completely agree it makes no sense to bleed assets for Kane when you can take your shot in free agency instead I just took exception to saying the Sabres have any remote need for prospects or picks. If anything they should be looking to trade some of them to bolster their lineup. Kane just isn't wise if you think you can get him in free agency for nothing...

In a season where the Sabres won’t be contending for the cup, it makes no sense to shed sssets at trade deadline to obtain a expiring contract. The gm of the Sabres has said that they will not be squiring Kane this year.

 

[Putt Pirate]

1. I don't see a reason for Kane to want to ply his trade for the Sabres (who are not ready yet). Nor do I see a reason why the Sabres would want him with how the team is structured.
2. Kane controls pretty much where he goes. So if traded I would assume a team contending needing a playmaker and experienced playoff performer. Not pining for home or something like that.

Will be an interesting trade deadline.

 

[StrompTroller]

In a season where the Sabres won’t be contending for the cup, it makes no sense to shed sssets at trade deadline to obtain a expiring contract. The gm of the Sabres has said that they will not be squiring Kane this year.

ok...thanks for kinda saying what I said....

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

ok...thanks for kinda saying what I said....

Sorry I got confused by your reply of “ Sabres have any remote need for prospects or picks. If anything they should be looking to trade some of them to bolster their lineup” I read it as you were saying they should trade away their prospects to get players now. The Botiril plan.

 

[McSuper]

Even if he controls the situation its not going to force Chicago to settle for 2nds and meh prospects. If Jarmo can get 1sts for Foligno and Savard I think its safe to assume Chicago can manage a 1st + for Kane, especially with retention.

Oilers would offer their first + Puljujarvi + Foegele for cap reason + prospect .

 

[McSuper]

Awww, just because the Sabres are building a better pool of prospects and are further ahead than Detroit doesn’t need you to be so salty. It’s a shame Yzerman added vets to ruin a perfect opportunity to grab Bedard. So short sighted.

A GM doesn't tank for a prospect . When they do like Buffalo and Arizona did for McDavid the odds are against them getting the prospect and the odds of them lasting long as a GM is very short.

Yzerman did what he needed to do to make the Red Wings better. Thats what a good GM does.

 

[StrompTroller]

Sorry I got confused by your reply of “ Sabres have any remote need for prospects or picks. If anything they should be looking to trade some of them to bolster their lineup” I read it as you were saying they should trade away their prospects to get players now. The Botiril plan.

Murray?

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I don't trust the Leafs goaltending at all. difference is I know that the Leafs can outscore their goaltending issues.

I know that because despite having arguably the NHL's worst goaltending after November they won 54 games, they won those games because they had the #2 offense in the NHL behind only Florida.

Buffalo doesn't have the offense to do that they can't outscore their goaltending issues.

For starters, the Sabres do not need to finish top 3. They need to finish 8th to make the playoffs. It's a long shot but Leafs goaltending is a major long shot too and pencilling them in for the exact same offence. We shall see. Matthews is 50-60 goals but they might lose some production aside from their top two lines.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

For starters, the Sabres do not need to finish top 3. They need to finish 8th to make the playoffs. It's a long shot but Leafs goaltending is a major long shot too and pencilling them in for the exact same offence. We shall see. Matthews is 50-60 goals but they might lose some production aside from their top two lines.

but in a divsion with Toronto, Tampa, Florida, Boston, and a vastly improved Ottawa and Detroit they aren't likely finishing top 8.

even if they did finish 5th in the Atlantic which is the minimum required are they better than the Rangers?, Canes? Pens?, Caps? probably not.

are they better than the NYI? I'm not sure they got killed by covid and a 13 game road trip to start the year but prior to that they had been to the conference finals twice so they get the benifit of the doubt.


to me there are at least 10 teams better than them in the east and that doesn't include the NYI who are a question mark

 

[jaysoneil]

Kane finishes the year in Chicago.

 

[Space umpire]

Kane finishes the year in Chicago.

That’s very possible.
Also strong that Kane chases a deep playoff run and re-signs with Chicago to make a run at team scoring records.
Chicago will have tons of cap space, could pay him 11 - 12 mill on a 1 year deal and move him again (50% retained) at the TDL.

 

[hawksrule]

Kane finishes the year in Chicago.

I doubt it. Makes no sense for him or the team.

 

[TehDoak]

This is assuming Kane is requesting to go home to Buffalo and the Sabres are somewhat in the playoff hunt in February. Sabres could just wait to sign him next summer but it could be a trade similar to Taylor Hall where the Sabres got a 2nd, Bjork and Lazar. Chicago doesn't want him to walk for nothing. Buffalo does have three 2nd round picks in 2023 and also have the rights to Portillo and Ryan Johnson which could all be included in a package. What is realistic at the deadline under this scenario.

Even if Buffalo is in the playoff hunt at the deadline, this is kind of the all in type move that they aren't ready for.

They aren't a forward away. They need a goalie, they need a vet top 4 d-man, they need a center who can play the PK and win a faceoff. They need to upgrade their top 6F too, but its far behind the other needs organizationally.

Buffalo can circle back to Kane in the summer when he's a UFA if he wants to come to Buffalo.

 

[samsagat]

Kane is still a force offensively and with his winning experience, would be a sought after commodity comes TD.

He would fetch a king's ransom.

At least a 1st, a good young prospect and an young NHL player.

If Sabres are in the playoffs, why not.

And it could be their year, they're young and talented everywhere but between the pipes. Still, they have Luukkonen as a young promising goalie.

Also, you have to take into account considerations not necessarily related to hockey.
If they're in playoff contention, after 11 years of drought, they might want to secure their position and give a candy to their fans.
They realistically could be willing to pay the price in order to bring in an impact local player...

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

but in a divsion with Toronto, Tampa, Florida, Boston, and a vastly improved Ottawa and Detroit they aren't likely finishing top 8.

even if they did finish 5th in the Atlantic which is the minimum required are they better than the Rangers?, Canes? Pens?, Caps? probably not.

are they better than the NYI? I'm not sure they got killed by covid and a 13 game road trip to start the year but prior to that they had been to the conference finals twice so they get the benifit of the doubt.


to me there are at least 10 teams better than them in the east and that doesn't include the NYI who are a question mark

I've read so much BS about how good Ottawa and Detroit have become. Let's just see.

Giroux is a shadow of what he once was, and their goaltending leaves questions for me. Cam Talbot stinks. Yeah, he's way better than Anderson, but that doesn't say much. And Forsberg? I have doubts about him. And Detroit. is Husso going to be the latest Blues goalie whose magic was mainly in St. Louis? Wings have good young players, but adding older vets doesn't always work.

The issue for Buffalo this year -- and they were totally fixable with the Sabres cap room -- is a second goalie, a 3rd line centre who can take draws and kill penalties and maybe another RD.

But the understanding of the Sabre's young depth is really off on those boards. That's not rose-coloured Sabres glasses. That's most commentators saying this.

Jack Quinn should have been in the NHL last year, but the Sabres stuffed him in the minors all year. Peterka has done pretty much everything you'd expect in the AHL. There are very few years where the #1 overall from the previous year is a rookie and the Sabres have that in Power. Samuelsson gets little credit for the stud he will become, and he has 54 NHL games. And the lineup is stacked with guys who could see a Tage Thompson progression, like Krebs, Mittelstaedt, Cozens.

I won't even get into Dahlin, who people just dump on, but he's all of 22 and has looked pretty dominant at times on very, very bad teams.

The progression of Sabres young players will stun some people this year, and it shouldn't. By the end of the year, people will be asking why Buffalo started Anderson so many games and wasted so many good young years. That's my prediction. The only thing that might save Buffalo is UPL coming up but I am in agreement that's a very long shot given his average play in AHL at times.

 

[57special]

I doubt it. Makes no sense for him or the team.

YUp. CO makes sense to me. Wins another Cup, then is on the market as a UFA as a 4 time Cup winner. Then, he MIGHT take a look at BUF, but I wouldn't bet on it. He will want a bigger contract than Skinner's, and sooner or later the Sabres will have to be paying their young talent. Giving a pricey retirement contract to an older player who has nothing left to prove wouldn't be good for the team, IMO.
CHI will want as much as they can get in any deal, but i wonder if they might do Kane a solid by accepting less from a contender like CO - maybe a team in the East would be an easier sell, but i can't think of any team out there that is a sure thing the way that CO is this year.

 

[Jacob582]

Giving a pricey retirement contract to an older player who has nothing left to prove wouldn't be good for the team, IMO.

I agree. Giving a pricey contract to an older player isn't something Buffalo will do as it wouldn't be good for them.

He will want a bigger contract than Skinner's, and sooner or later the Sabres will have to be paying their young talent.

He may want that, but is any team giving him $73M at age 34 turning 35 shortly after the season starts?
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I think Buffalo either won't be interested in Kane during free agency because they have too many other forwards to pay, or decide they will fit him in but not chase him to a crazy contract. If he wants a Claude Giroux type contract to come home then fine, come join the Sabres.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

YUp. CO makes sense to me. Wins another Cup, then is on the market as a UFA as a 4 time Cup winner. Then, he MIGHT take a look at BUF, but I wouldn't bet on it. He will want a bigger contract than Skinner's, and sooner or later the Sabres will have to be paying their young talent. Giving a pricey retirement contract to an older player who has nothing left to prove wouldn't be good for the team, IMO.
CHI will want as much as they can get in any deal, but i wonder if they might do Kane a solid by accepting less from a contender like CO - maybe a team in the East would be an easier sell, but i can't think of any team out there that is a sure thing the way that CO is this year.

More than $9 M for Kane at his age. I'll take some of what you are having.