Former Bruins Patrice Bergeron II RETIRES (post 430)

[missingchicklet]

I feel like he will return for the reasons many have stated in this thread. The Bs will easily be a better team with him than without him. He is STILL playing Selke level hockey.

Think about how hard it would be to replace that kind of talent this coming season in a cap crunch if Bergy doesn't return. Irreplaceable essentially.

With Bergy back, Marchy fully healed, a slew of good players still here, and some luck with injuries late in the season, this coming season's team could still make some noise in the playoffs.

 

[NeelyDan]

Bergy has been in 1 fight in the past decade. That part of his game was phased out early with the concussions this happened well before he started aging. Do I blame him? No, its allowed him to have a long career.

Unfortunately teams take after their leaders though and the Bruins have been a little too soft in the physicality department especially in the playoffs. Frederics been forced to tone it down, Hathaway comes here and isnt half the pest he was in washington, Marchands been forced to tone it down.

Meanwhile You have teams like florida who were very similar to the bruins current physical play style when they had huberdeau leading the team. Regular season studs who get bullied in the playoffs. All of a sudden Tkachuk comes in and its a complete culture change with many of the same players. The players rally around Tkachuk getting into scrums, bringing the physicality, mucking it up and playing a heavy game. Then look what happens to them, furthest theyve ever made it in what was considered a retool year for them.

Bergy great human being, excellent player, someone I would want my daughter to marry. Not the type of captain you want for a playoff push though.

bro stop digging

 

[BergyWho37]

I really don’t understand this argument there’s different type of players all over the league and to blame a player for others actions is ludicrous you build a team a certain way they don’t play soft cause one guy thinks the game vs another uses brut force..

by that logic how did Datsyuk, Crosby, Kane, Mackinnon could probably add Kucherov all lead the teams to the cups ? They don’t seek bone jarring hits..

Anyways I’m done with logic I won’t understand it cause this is team sport just like using Huberdeau in an argument when there leader has been Barkov for years and they added toughness to there lineup but by this logic Barkov should be making Tkachuk soft ..

peace

 

[TCB]

Is this a stand up comedy act? It doesn't matter what your point is you have lost all credibility comparing Kessel to Bergy.

The same Kessel that has never thrown more than 20 hits in a season, never plays hard defensive minutes, never plays PK, never fights, never goes to the dirty areas. And you think that is a similar description to Bergerons style? Really?

Well there was this one

 

[LouJersey]

I think he comes back as it’s the 100th anniversary season and all that. Then he’s done. Marchand then becomes captain for two years and retires as well. Both are pretty beaten up all things considered so they have little time left I think.

I would trade Marchand now, let Bergy decide if he wants to play without him, then give the C to McAvoy instead of the 2 year pit stop.

 

[Ladyfan]

I would trade Marchand now, let Bergy decide if he wants to play without him, then give the C to McAvoy instead of the 2 year pit stop.

 

[TCB]

I would trade Marchand now, let Bergy decide if he wants to play without him, then give the C to McAvoy instead of the 2 year pit stop.

I've said it while back. I'd move him depending on the return of course. Hell id move anyone depending on the return, but I really feel the only safe ones this off season are Pastrnak and McAvoy.

Marchand can still bring you a boat-load and that window is narrowing, Now it really depends on which way Sweeney can go. Very little wiggle room cap-wise, no picks, no top tier Centers if Bergy doesn't comeback, no top tier prospects. Marchand could be the answer to a lot of those problems.

 

[BMC]

So would going out in the first round next year be any better I can't see this team dialing it up to 11 and going on a deep playoff run next year

Bergeron did not play well at all in the post season. If nothing else I think he'd like to redeem himself with a better performance (if they make it) even if it is another one and done.

 

[PB37]

Yes similar in the aspect of not fighting, rarely hitting, avoiding scrums and not standing up for teammates. Bergy, kessel, Elias lindholm and cirelli are all similar in that matter.

Which if you scroll up through the convo, that has been my point the entire time.

The tragedy ( or maybe ultimate hilarity ) I've come to find in your posts is that you actually believe the shit you come up with.

 

[UncleRico]

The tragedy ( or maybe ultimate hilarity ) I've come to find in your posts is that you actually believe the shit you come up with.

Glad you feel that way. Unfortunately if half this team was as good as most posters claim on here then the bruins would have at minimum 2 more cups maybe even three.

The reality is they don’t so there’s a disconnect.

There’s been something off with this group for quite some time when it comes to the playoffs. Unfortunately they will be leaving a legacy behind as chokers. At least to about 95% of NHL fans. I know most bruins fans will never admit it.

The reality is the bruins have the most regular season points among any NHL team over the last decade. They are only team in the top 5 without a cup. When you have that much regular season success without postseason success then by definition a choker.

And the bruins without a doubt are the biggest chokers in the NHL over the past decade and it is what it is. Even more the past 5 years.

That’s what the bruins are to the entire NHL community. Chokers. Ultimately that starts with the captain.

If you disagree then we will agree to disagree. But it’s just a fact at this point tho at they’ve been the biggest chokers in the NHL over the past decade.

 

[PB37]

Glad you feel that way. Unfortunately if half this team was as good as most posters claim on here then the bruins would have at minimum 2 more cups maybe even three.

The reality is they don’t so there’s a disconnect.

There’s been something off with this group for quite some time when it comes to the playoffs. Unfortunately they will be leaving a legacy behind as chokers. At least to about 95% of NHL fans. I know most bruins fans will never admit it.

The reality is the bruins have the most regular season points among any NHL team over the last decade. They are only team in the top 5 without a cup. When you have that much regular season success without postseason success then by definition a choker.

And the bruins without a doubt are the biggest chokers in the NHL over the past decade and it is what it is. Even more the past 5 years.

That’s what the bruins are to the entire NHL community. Chokers. Ultimately that starts with the captain.

If you disagree then we will agree to disagree. But it’s just a fact at this point tho at they’ve been the biggest chokers in the NHL over the past decade.

You have a very odd definition of choker and who gets blamed for losses.

There's simply no point in talking or debating with you in arguments because I've seen you stick with these self made " facts " in your mind despite evidence to the contrary.

 

[easton117]

Hope he comes back. Was pretty heartbreaking seeing that ending of the season. I didn’t really care they lost, that happens. Did feel for him though.

Also hope if he does come back they can convince him to play 60 games on the high end. Ideally they’d have some guys who can play above him in the lineup as well but that would be awful difficult to manage given their cap constraints

 

[UncleRico]

You have a very odd definition of choker and who gets blamed for losses.

There's simply no point in talking or debating with you in arguments because I've seen you stick with these self made " facts " in your mind despite evidence to the contrary.

definition of a choker:

In sports, choking is the failure of a person, or persons, to act or behave as anticipated or expected. This can occur in a game or tournament that they are strongly favored to win, or in an instance where they have a large lead that they squander in the late stages of the event.

So lets dissect it a little bit. theres two parts to the definition

1) This can occur in a game or tournament that they are strongly favored to win

Three president trophies for best team and 1,035 regular season points, most by any team in the league over the last 10 years. So the expectation is that you continue that regular season success to the post season.

Yet they have 0 cups.

2) or in an instance where they have a large lead that they squander in the late stages of the event

florida this year 3-1 lead squandered it
st louis lead squandered it

I'm not sure what definition of choking you go by in terms of sports, but Bruins nail all of them.

And yes it does start with the leaders of the team aka bergy, krejci etc.

 

[Forester65]

definition of a choker:

In sports, choking is the failure of a person, or persons, to act or behave as anticipated or expected. This can occur in a game or tournament that they are strongly favored to win, or in an instance where they have a large lead that they squander in the late stages of the event.

So lets dissect it a little bit. theres two parts to the definition

1) This can occur in a game or tournament that they are strongly favored to win

Three president trophies for best team and 1,035 regular season points, most by any team in the league over the last 10 years. So the expectation is that you continue that regular season success to the post season.

Yet they have 0 cups.

2) or in an instance where they have a large lead that they squander in the late stages of the event

florida this year 3-1 lead squandered it
st louis lead squandered it

I'm not sure what definition of choking you go by in terms of sports, but Bruins nail all of them.

And yes it does start with the leaders of the team aka bergy, krejci etc.

To be fair, Bergi and Krejci have been asked to carry the load for too long. The B's failed to draft their younger, cheaper first line replacement that would have bumped them both down one line.
If they were 2nd and 3rd line centers, we would be having a different conversation.

 

[sarge88]

Are you comparing Bergeron to Neely here?

No Bourque.

Sorry, I didn’t make that cLear.

I know many will disagree. But to me its much closer than many think.

 

[UncleRico]

To be fair, Bergi and Krejci have been asked to carry the load for too long. The B's failed to draft their younger, cheaper first line replacement that would have bumped them both down one line.
If they were 2nd and 3rd line centers, we would be having a different conversation.

Oh 100% agree if they were 2nd and 3rd line and we would be having a different convo. Unfortunately we aren’t.

And yes Sweeney has don’t a terrible job finding a young center to follow in their footsteps. He gets a nice fat piece of that blame pie too. But they probably should have won it this year and definitely against St.Louis.

I’ll always wonder what could have been of seguin wasn’t dealt, but we will never know

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

No Bourque.

Sorry, I didn’t make that cLear.

I know many will disagree. But to me its much closer than many think.

I don't think so.

Especially among non-Bruins fans.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I never said they had the same responsibilities on the ice.

I said they don’t fight, don’t get into scrums, don’t stand up for teammates and avoid contact for the most part.

I agree with what you said otherwise 100%. Full agreement and no doubt about it. I’m specifically talking about not fighting, avoiding scrums, not standing up for teammates and aspects of their game pertaining to that nature.

No disagreement on the defense or playing PK minutes. I’m with you fully on that and agree.

That would describe Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux too.

 

[goldnblack]

That would describe Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux too.

Nathan McKinnon, Kucherov, take your pick of recent cup winners

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I've said it while back. I'd move him depending on the return of course. Hell id move anyone depending on the return, but I really feel the only safe ones this off season are Pastrnak and McAvoy.

Marchand can still bring you a boat-load and that window is narrowing, Now it really depends on which way Sweeney can go. Very little wiggle room cap-wise, no picks, no top tier Centers if Bergy doesn't comeback, no top tier prospects. Marchand could be the answer to a lot of those problems.

Don't think that is true at all.

 

[UncleRico]

That would describe Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux too.

100% agree describes those two guys as well. I never said being absent of those qualities made someone a bad player. Bergy is the best player of this bruins generation. Unfortunately under his leadership this team has been a constant post season underperformer and he shares a decent amount of blame for the drop off in regular season success into the post season as the captain and leader of the team.

Just as if he did have the success I would be praising him in the opposite direction. That’s not the case though.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

100% agree describes those two guys as well. I never said being absent of those qualities made someone a bad player. Bergy is the best player of this bruins generation. Unfortunately under his leadership this team has been a constant post season underperformer and he shares a decent amount of blame for the drop off in regular season success into the post season as the captain and leader of the team.

Just as if he did have the success I would be praising him in the opposite direction. That’s not the case though.

How simplistic.

Not to mention without validation.

 

[Forester65]

If Patrice (and Krejci) are going to retire, I hope they let the team know as soon as possible. The B's need to know what their situation is at center when free agency begins.

 

[Hookslide]

BOSTON BRUINS LINE-UP I WOULD LIKE TO SEE : (2023-24)
Marchand Bergeron Scheiffele
bertuzzi Dubois pastrnak
lauko zacka lysall
lucic frederic hathaway
Greer/ Mclaughlin

mcavoy gryzlyck
carlo lindholm
stanley zboril
Clifton

swayman
bussi

OUT : ( no longer bruins )
Coyle, hall, debrusk, reilly, forbort, steen, ullmark, krejci,

Did you stay up all night to accomplish all that .................No Freakn way
Lets not move all the Jets loser mentality to Boston, and they are all up for contracts and will cost more than what is moving out ...... And speaking of loser mentality best keep away from the young players .

 

[Hookslide]

Bergeron did not play well at all in the post season. If nothing else I think he'd like to redeem himself with a better performance (if they make it) even if it is another one and done.

He was hurt and should not have been playing....