Parayko to leafs rumor

[leafs in five]

the Fan Boi Brigade

honestly wtf

 

[nuck]

The price was higher for Toronto because of the Calgary-Treliving situation. They would have had to overpay to get a deal done.

I don't believe that, same as that they were supposedly reluctant to trade with Edmonton. Its business and Calgary ownership knows he left because they wouldn't let him can Sutter, and then they canned Sutter anyways. The original deal attempt for Zad and Tanev was supposed to have failed because of retention, not ownership, and maybe because Conroy overplayed his hand a bit.

Would acquiring Parayko really cost a first?. I don't mind trading for him, but not for a first.

A late 1st in a weak year? Add a ++. He isn't a cap dump, he is a top 4 guy with term. Cost goes up for that, not down.

 

[seanlinden]

What a horrible take. Schenn was perfect along side Rielly. You're getting a lot more outta him than the $2.75m when he was played there.

Yes, he fit well alongside Rielly.

However, let's not forget, he was playing a whopping total of 13 minutes a night in the regular season, and 17:27 in the playoffs.

If the Leafs had, at point in the next 3 years, decided that maybe there is, or needs to be, a better fit alongside Rielly, he would instantly become a 3rd pair, 13-15minute a night kind of guy that the Leafs have in Simon Benoit for a fraction of the price. Schenn was also not going to last a full season on Rielly's right side playing those kinds of minutes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Luke Schenn fan and was extremely excited when the Leafs brough him back.. but it's important to recognize what he really is, which is a depth defenceman that can play up in some situations with the right partner.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Parayko will cost a first, plus, doubt he's available though.

Dumba I suspect is the target.

It's going to cost a lot for Parayko. He also has a NTC. He has to be willing. Also if TOR want salary retention it will cost even more.

We would all love a player like him, but it seems unlikely to many people.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Parayko will cost a first, plus, doubt he's available though.

Dumba I suspect is the target.

I think It's Savard the assistant GM has been scouting Montreal who else would he be scouting?

 

[rumman]

How much were you willing to pay 34 year old Tanev on a new contract?

Zeeeeero, lets get age appropriate players for the foreseeable future…….

 

[Maplebeasts]

Parayko in his CURRENT form is not good. This better not be the big add.

 

[JKG33]

Yes, he fit well alongside Rielly.

However, let's not forget, he was playing a whopping total of 13 minutes a night in the regular season, and 17:27 in the playoffs.

If the Leafs had, at point in the next 3 years, decided that maybe there is, or needs to be, a better fit alongside Rielly, he would instantly become a 3rd pair, 13-15minute a night kind of guy that the Leafs have in Simon Benoit for a fraction of the price. Schenn was also not going to last a full season on Rielly's right side playing those kinds of minutes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Luke Schenn fan and was extremely excited when the Leafs brough him back.. but it's important to recognize what he really is, which is a depth defenceman that can play up in some situations with the right partner.

He lasted multiple season playing minutes with Quinn Hughes in Vancouver. So well in fact they brought him back a 2nd time.

If this team somehow found a top pairing RD, then play that player and Rielly on separate pairs. Then you'd have two very solid top 4 pairings and Liljgren on the 3rd. That's not the problem you think it is.

Getting a guy capable of playing competently along side Rielly on a top pair for $2.75m is tremendous value. Nobody is saying Schenn is a top pairing guy on his own. But when you blow all that money on 4 forwards, you need to find value elsewhere. I also really like Benoit, and him and Schenn can certainly exist in the same lineup.

Rielly-Schenn
McCabe-X
Benoit-Liljgren

With the X being the other potential Rielly partner you're referring to, is a great lineup for relatively little money

 

[rumman]

I think It's Savard the assistant GM has been scouting Montreal who else would he be scouting?

Yuck, as division rivals we’ll need to overpay for another dinosaur, hard pass…….

 

[Da Mash]

IMHO Schenn is one of the most overrated players in the league. Was terrible with us when drafted
Came back and was this hero because of such a small sample size with Reilly. Offers nothing except being physical. His best play is bouncing the pucks off the boards to clear the zone....giving up possession.

Why are alot of Leafs heros goons? Tucker...Domi....Schenn etc......They won nothing but for whatever reason they are icons. Don Cherry brainwashed alot of us IMHO

Why not bring back Todd Gill and Tiger Williams

Sorry for the rant but Schenn ......really?

 

[JKG33]

IMHO Schenn is one of the most overrated players in the league. Was terrible with us when drafted
Came back and was this hero because of such a small sample size with Reilly. Offers nothing except being physical. His best play is bouncing the pucks off the boards to clear the zone....giving up possession.

Why are alot of Leafs heros goons? Tucker...Domi....Schenn etc......They won nothing but for whatever reason they are icons. Don Cherry brainwashed alot of us IMHO

Why not bring back Todd Gill and Tiger Williams

Sorry for the rant but Schenn ......really?

If the sample size with Rielly is too small for you, the guy was legit next to Quinn Hughes for multiple seasons in Vancouver. Hell even as a kid he looked his best next to Kaberle. He's at his best paired with competent offensive d-men.

Obviously the ship has sailed, but I won't stand for this Schenn slander

 

[seanlinden]

I don't think this happens before the Deadline I think this, if he does happen would be a summer move.

I'd be all for it though because if you add Parayko, I think you have a defense that can match Boston.

We know McCabe and Benoit work we have seen it.

Brodie and Lilly works sometimes

I think Parayko would fit next to Rielly like a glove.

But What's the cost and how does the money work?

Therein lies the other, potentially bigger challenge.

St. Louis isn't going to retain for 6 years, so that's off the table.

It's questionable whether the Leafs can get back to Klingberg's $4.1m in cap space. IIRC, they were not running a 23-man roster when Klingberg was in. They've now brought up McMann, Holmberg & Jones who presumably they would, and do not want to lose to waivers.

Assume you can send Reaves and Lagesson down, and then put Giordano on LTIR; you'll be left with about $3.7m of workable space. Let's assume Timmins goes the other way in any deal, you're still likely a shade over $1.5m short of accomodating Parayko's $6.5m cap hit.

Theoretically, you could send Knies down for 1 game to create a roster emergency exemption that allows you to bring up replacement players... but even that leaves them short, and then you've got a problem because Knies makes too much money to be recalled under the emergency exemption.

It's also unclear whether the league is going to frown upon a self-created emergency exmption because you're carrying 3 goalies and only 17 skaters.


TLDR?? Basically the only way to do it is with a fairly substantial upheaval of the roster. One of Bertuzzi, Domi, Kampf, Jarnkrok or Brodie would need to go. If Bertuzzi or Brodie, you'd still have some space to bring in a different asset to replace them... but again, is "upheaving" the roster at the deadline the best of ideas?

 

[JKG33]

Also the Leafs would be lucky to get Parayko. He's the perfect target. Not an elite top pairing D-man, but he's about as good as you can get on the trade market and his cap hit is very reasonable for what he brings. Fitting his cap hit in on the other hand is the challenge with how poorly this team is built.

I'm all for physicality, but the bottom pairing is covered in that regard with Benoit and now Lybushkin. I have no idea why other bottom pairing guys like Edmundson and Dumba are being targeted. Waste of assets. There's only 2 spots on the bottom pair, and none of them should be any higher

 

[Da Mash]

If the sample size with Rielly is too small for you, the guy was legit next to Quinn Hughes for multiple seasons in Vancouver. Hell even as a kid he looked his best next to Kaberle. He's at his best paired with competent offensive d-men.

Obviously the ship has sailed, but I won't stand for this Schenn slander

Old slow defensmen playing with elite defenseman.....Like Hughes and Reilly really needed him.

Im just not a fan of Schenn .....gets way to much hype and credit for what he offers. He is another year older. Its like bringing old guys like Thorton and Marleau...etc here......waste of a roster spot.....we have to stop living in the past IMHO

 

[JKG33]

Old slow defensmen playing with elite defenseman.....Like Hughes and Reilly really needed him.

Im just not a fan of Schenn .....gets way to much hype and credit for what he offers. He is another year older. Its like bringing old guys like Thorton and Marleau...etc here......waste of a roster spot.....we have to stop living in the past IMHO

Rielly may not "need" him per say, but he does need a partner. And when your cap is as mismanaged as the Leafs', well... beggars can't be choosers. And Schenn is adequate for what he costs.

He's nowhere near the old and useless 4th liners Marleau and Thornton

 

[myleafs]

IMHO Schenn is one of the most overrated players in the league. Was terrible with us when drafted
Came back and was this hero because of such a small sample size with Reilly. Offers nothing except being physical. His best play is bouncing the pucks off the boards to clear the zone....giving up possession.

Why are alot of Leafs heros goons? Tucker...Domi....Schenn etc......They won nothing but for whatever reason they are icons. Don Cherry brainwashed alot of us IMHO

Why not bring back Todd Gill and Tiger Williams

Sorry for the rant but Schenn ......really?

Schenn and Domi heros? who said that? I dont buy it...Link?

Tucker was a heart and soul blood and guts kind of player who left it all on the ice.... Think Clark and Gilmour for hero status.

 

[fahad203]

Old slow defensmen playing with elite defenseman.....Like Hughes and Reilly really needed him.

Im just not a fan of Schenn .....gets way to much hype and credit for what he offers. He is another year older. Its like bringing old guys like Thorton and Marleau...etc here......waste of a roster spot.....we have to stop living in the past IMHO

I am not voting for Schenn to comeback. No interest
But to say he was overrated is not doing justice. He was overhype, never lived up to his expectation, no doubt. But he has managed to adapt his game with new age.

The Schenn we got last year was exactly the Schenn we had hoped to get back in 2008. He was solid and went above and beyond.

But like you said, we need to move on. He gets paid too much for what he brings

I am down for Parayko. Frankly speaking, I would have liked Zadorov for cheaper.

I just dont' see Tre pulling the trigger. He comes off as very risk averse

 

[Arzak]

Hopefully not ....

Dumba isnt very good....is small .......we dont need that type of a defenseman. The ony attribute he has to offer us is he is a RHD

IMHO

Undersized ? Check, if they could just overpay him now, he'd be Leaf, regardless of the jersey he puts on.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Therein lies the other, potentially bigger challenge.

St. Louis isn't going to retain for 6 years, so that's off the table.

It's questionable whether the Leafs can get back to Klingberg's $4.1m in cap space. IIRC, they were not running a 23-man roster when Klingberg was in. They've now brought up McMann, Holmberg & Jones who presumably they would, and do not want to lose to waivers.

Assume you can send Reaves and Lagesson down, and then put Giordano on LTIR; you'll be left with about $3.7m of workable space. Let's assume Timmins goes the other way in any deal, you're still likely a shade over $1.5m short of accomodating Parayko's $6.5m cap hit.

Theoretically, you could send Knies down for 1 game to create a roster emergency exemption that allows you to bring up replacement players... but even that leaves them short, and then you've got a problem because Knies makes too much money to be recalled under the emergency exemption.

It's also unclear whether the league is going to frown upon a self-created emergency exmption because you're carrying 3 goalies and only 17 skaters.


TLDR?? Basically the only way to do it is with a fairly substantial upheaval of the roster. One of Bertuzzi, Domi, Kampf, Jarnkrok or Brodie would need to go. If Bertuzzi or Brodie, you'd still have some space to bring in a different asset to replace them... but again, is "upheaving" the roster at the deadline the best of ideas?

If Kampf can bw used to make the money work that's fine

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Chychrun (who also has next year too @4.6) for Brodie+Robertson+1st

Do you do it?

I like this a lot. That 4.6 next year would huge. Big upgrade over Brodie.

 

[FerrisRox]

I think It's Savard the assistant GM has been scouting Montreal who else would he be scouting?

I don't think Savard is available.

I think Montreal would move one of, or both of, Jordan Harris and Jonathan Kovacevic from their blue line.

Up front, they would definitely be happy to dump any of Tanner Pearson or Joel Armia and if they could find a deal to move Jake Allen, they would.

But Savard plays an important role on a very young blue line and he's very happy to be there too. I don't think the Canadiens would trade him because he's worth much more to them in this stage in their rebuild then he would get via trade.

 

[Gilmour1996]

I think It's Savard the assistant GM has been scouting Montreal who else would he be scouting?

Hopefully Xhekaj too.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

This guy works for Pro Hockey Rumours for whatever that’s worth.

 

[fahad203]

A friendly reminder
Parayko has 6 more years of 6 million

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

A friendly reminder
Parayko has 6 more years of 6 million

$6.5 million. Can’t forget that cool half a million as well. It’s a terrifying contract.