Parayko to leafs rumor

[Donnie740]

It's better to trade for one. The chances of us drafting and developing a top pair RD that will be ready to play with this core is almost zero.

Except that it won’t be a flashy big name defenceman that the Fan Boi Brigade instantly recognizes because this isn’t fantasy hockey or NHL’24 video game.

Like when Toronto traded a 3rd round pick for Sylvain Lefrbvre. Who?

Most fans had never heard of Lefebvre when the Leafs acquired him, but he turned out to be the Leafs most reliable and effective lock down defenseman they’ve had in the past 30yrs.

That’s the kind of under-the-radar move that a competent GM like Treliving can make to fortify the blueline. Sort of like what he did with signing Simon Benoit to a minimum wage contract.

 

[Puckstuff]

Except that it won’t be a flashy big name defenceman that the Fan Boi Brigade instantly recognizes because this isn’t fantasy hockey or NHL’24 video game.

Like when Toronto traded a 3rd round pick for Sylvain Lefrbvre. Who?

Most fans had never heard of Lefebvre when the Leafs acquired him, but he turned out to be the Leafs most reliable and effective lock down defenseman they’ve had in the past 30yrs.

That’s the kind of under-the-radar move that a competent GM like Treliving can make to fortify the blueline. Sort of like what he did with signing Simon Benoit to a minimum wage contract.

I'm fine with under the radar moves, it doesn't need to be flashy. I was even fine with Schenn.

I just see a lot of defensive defensemen developing a lot slower. I mean look at Schenn it took him until he was 31-32 to figure it out. I think Tre really underrated both Schenn and Tanev. I feel like if we gave up a 1st and a good prospect not named Cowan or Knies, we could have got Tanev. Also letting Schenn walk was a mistake. Schenn at 2.75 is perfectly fine value, he's better then Boosh for sure.

 

[Puckstuff]

Call me crazy but I would have done 1st + Minten for Tanev. I know the price seems ridiculous, but one must acknowledge the supply-demand imbalance factor. There was only one premier shutdown RD available, so - it's literally as black and white between getting a top pair shutdown RD that solves our problem, vs not having a solution at all. There are no other options and now their scrambling.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Not sure why so many people can’t comprehend that this isn’t fantasy hockey or an NHL’24 video game.

You absolutely CANNOT continue to give up draft picks and prospects for players in their 30’s with long term deals of $5M to $11M.

That asinine approach is why the Leafs are stuck with washed up TJ Brodie and John Tavares and have ZERO cap room and ZERO draft picks or prospects.

They won't listen. I have always been a tremendous advocate of building through the draft myself. I think this team has some fight in it... I say stand pat. I am not down on Brodie either, I think he has turned it around in the last two months.

This free agent season and next are vital in reshaping our team, I wouldn't blow my load at the trade deadline. I still can't believe the Oilers gave up a first for Henrique and Sam Carrick.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think the better question is, is it possible for one to DRAFT a Parayko?

Anything is possible but that player isn't helping Rielly now, you need to get him a partner for NOW.

If Parayko truly is available you get it done because that's the piece that pulls the defense together.

 

[Donnie740]

They won't listen. I have always been a tremendous advocate of building through the draft myself. I think this team has some fight in it... I say stand pat. I am not down on Brodie either, I think he has turned it around in the last two months.

This free agent season and next are vital in reshaping our team, I wouldn't blow my load at the trade deadline. I still can't believe the Oilers gave up a first for Henrique and Sam Carrick.

Agree 100% that the overpay by Edmonton was laughable. It’s astonishing how people can’t comprehend the importance of draft picks in a salary cap league.

Especially when the top four players are all in excess of $11M each - - the importance of having young talent on ELC’s should be self evident.

No wonder Kyle Dumbass was so beloved by the Fan Boi Brigade.

 

[seanlinden]

I think the better question is, is it possible for one to DRAFT a Parayko?

Here's the problem.

When you're trying to "draft" a team, you need to first understand that defencemen generally take longer than forwards to become impact players.

You see that now with Morgan Rielly at 29, fitting nicely into the Leafs core of Matthews at 26, Marner at 26, and Nylander at 27.

You look at the "younger pieces" on the Leafs blueline, and it's basically Timothy Liljegren who's ceiling is probably a decent #3 and floor a decent #5, and Topi Niemla, who's ceiling is probably similar, but has a lot longer way to go and a much lower floor.

The reality is, neither of these guys can factor in beyond a #4 role in the Leafs current contention window, unless the Leafs want to blow it all up and rebuild, they're going to have to build the bulk of their D through trade & free agency.




St. Louis is actually also a really good example of this similar problem. They've got Kyrou & Thomas as elite young forwards on contracts likely to age extremely well. They've got a 21 year old Jake Neighbors breaking into the league. Zach Bolduc who might still have some upside, and Jimmy Snuggerud on the way, with Dvorsky behind him..

They have no notable defensive prospects, which means that that they're likely at least 4-5 years away from a St. Louis-drafted defenceman making a substantial impact. Those 4-5 years are going to burn a lot of high quality, high value, years from their forward group.

 

[seanlinden]

Call me crazy but I would have done 1st + Minten for Tanev. I know the price seems ridiculous, but one must acknowledge the supply-demand imbalance factor. There was only one premier shutdown RD available, so - it's literally as black and white between getting a top pair shutdown RD that solves our problem, vs not having a solution at all. There are no other options and now their scrambling.

With that kind of package, the Leafs could probably get Larsson out of Seattle. He'd be a much better addition than Tanev considering his reduced propensity to get hurt, and his better puckmovement, and the extra year on his deal.

Leafs already have 2 "knobs" on the blueline in Benoit & Lyubushkin, plus McCabe who can get physical.

 

[seanlinden]

I'm fine with under the radar moves, it doesn't need to be flashy. I was even fine with Schenn.

I just see a lot of defensive defensemen developing a lot slower. I mean look at Schenn it took him until he was 31-32 to figure it out. I think Tre really underrated both Schenn and Tanev. I feel like if we gave up a 1st and a good prospect not named Cowan or Knies, we could have got Tanev. Also letting Schenn walk was a mistake. Schenn at 2.75 is perfectly fine value, he's better then Boosh for sure.

It really wasn't.

Schenn at $2.75m for 3 years is a substantially worse deal than Reaves. He's 34 years old, and has never been the quickest-footed defenceman.

The Leafs got most of Schenn did on the ice, albeit a lefty, for league minimum in Simon Benoit.

 

[Apex Predator]

I don’t follow Parayko as much as I did 3-4 years ago but has his game fallen of that much or is it the contract that scares everyone?

 

[Al14]

Call me crazy but I would have done 1st + Minten for Tanev. I know the price seems ridiculous, but one must acknowledge the supply-demand imbalance factor. There was only one premier shutdown RD available, so - it's literally as black and white between getting a top pair shutdown RD that solves our problem, vs not having a solution at all. There are no other options and now their scrambling.

Thank goodness that you are not our Leafs GM.

 

[JKG33]

It really wasn't.

Schenn at $2.75m for 3 years is a substantially worse deal than Reaves. He's 34 years old, and has never been the quickest-footed defenceman.

The Leafs got most of Schenn did on the ice, albeit a lefty, for league minimum in Simon Benoit.

What a horrible take. Schenn was perfect along side Rielly. You're getting a lot more outta him than the $2.75m when he was played there.

 

[Da Mash]

Doesnt he have to waive his NTC terms first?

Big cap hit ....is a good player...but is 32 yrs old. He cant get much slower tho so thats a positive
Adds alot of size to our group and we all know he will fit right in the playoffs where the rules change to benefit guys like this.

I wouldnt pay much for him tho because of that contract. If we have to take the hit for years then the ask shouldnt be much IMHO

Brodie would have to go as he has a 5 mil cap hit ....but hard to say goodbye to Broadie for all the off ice things he is dealing with.

 

[ACC1224]

Parayko will cost a first, plus, doubt he's available though.

Dumba I suspect is the target.

 

[Puckstuff]

Thank goodness that you are not our Leafs GM.

It's better then trying to win a cup in a prime window year with Lybushkin as top pair RD

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't think this happens before the Deadline I think this, if he does happen would be a summer move.

I'd be all for it though because if you add Parayko, I think you have a defense that can match Boston.

We know McCabe and Benoit work we have seen it.

Brodie and Lilly works sometimes

I think Parayko would fit next to Rielly like a glove.

But What's the cost and how does the money work?

 

[Da Mash]

Parayko will cost a first, plus, doubt he's available though.

Dumba I suspect is the target.

Hopefully not ....

Dumba isnt very good....is small .......we dont need that type of a defenseman. The ony attribute he has to offer us is he is a RHD

IMHO

 

[nuck]

Call me crazy but I would have done 1st + Minten for Tanev. I know the price seems ridiculous, but one must acknowledge the supply-demand imbalance factor. There was only one premier shutdown RD available, so - it's literally as black and white between getting a top pair shutdown RD that solves our problem, vs not having a solution at all. There are no other options and now their scrambling.

It wouldn't have cost near that much. Two seconds is what he got. The Leafs 1st, Flames 2nd coming back, and a prospect less than Minten because the guy Calgary got is not equal to Minten. I can only assume the Leafs were not prepared to spend the 1st on a guy without term because they could have had Walker as well.

 

[Puckstuff]

It wouldn't have cost near that much. Two seconds is what he got. The Leafs 1st, Flames 2nd coming back, and a prospect less than Minten because the guy Calgary got is not equal to Minten. I can only assume the Leafs were not prepared to spend the 1st on a guy without term because they could have had Walker as well.

The price was higher for Toronto because of the Calgary-Treliving situation. They would have had to overpay to get a deal done.

 

[Zybalto]

Chychrun (who also has next year too @4.6) for Brodie+Robertson+1st

Do you do it?

 

[ACC1224]

Hopefully not ....

Dumba isnt very good....is small .......we dont need that type of a defenseman. The ony attribute he has to offer us is he is a RHD

IMHO

Yeah, not sure how I feel about it, you couldn't pay me to watch Arizona so I'm not up to date on him.
I could see it happening though.

Chychrun (who also has next year too @4.6) for Brodie+Robertson+1st

Do you do it?

100%

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Parayko will cost a first, plus, doubt he's available though.

Dumba I suspect is the target.

Would acquiring Parayko really cost a first?. I don't mind trading for him, but not for a first.

 

[Da Mash]

Chychrun (who also has next year too @4.6) for Brodie+Robertson+1st

Do you do it?

Yeah .....I think thats doable ....hate giving up a 1st but Chychrun would be a nice fit here and I think he has a great relationship with Mathews and he would love Toronto

Hasnt had a great year in Ottawa but who has really.

 

[FerrisRox]

Seems like a lot of posters believe we're getting parayko from 3-5 years ago based on the offers.

Liljegren or Brodie going the other way does not significantly (if at all) improve our defense and makes our cap situation a lot worse moving forward.

50% retention and a trade that doesnt include one of our good young forwards the other way and I'd be interested.... but that's not gonna happen.

This is absolutely ridiculous. If the Leafs flipped Brodie and got Parayko, their defense would improve ENORMOUSLY.

 

[Al14]

It's better then trying to win a cup in a prime window year with Lybushkin as top pair RD

Yes, I agree about Boosh, however giving up significant assets for an injury prone Tanev is quite risky IMHO.

Minten, or our 1st, but NOT both, especially given that Tanev is over 30, and is likely on the downside of his career. IMHO, Tanev's long list of past injuries is concerning.

Our Leafs are more than ONE major piece away from winning it all. If our Leafs were just one piece away from winning a SC, then sure, empty our cupboards.

Our Leafs window is not closing after this season, so any acquisitions should be for players that have a future with our team. Throwing away major assets for short term solutions IS NOT the way to proceed right now.

JMHO.