Injury Report: Pacioretty ruptures his Achilles again - placed on season ending IR

[Svechhammer]

I expect him to take the Noesen duties on the 4th line and PP1, playing those reduced mins, as he slowly ramps up. I wouldn't expect to see him at full bore for at least a month, but it'll be nice just to have him camping on the wings during the PP.

I would think he might get a point here or there, but I'm more looking to see the potential on how he's going to contribute when he's got his game legs back. I want to see his shot and release, and how he can make things difficult for a goalie out of nowhere. Those kind of glimpses should be there, and with the passing he will be getting from the likes of even a KK at 5v5 and all of the teammates on the PP, we should have the opportunity to see that from his first game.

 

[StormCast]

The Ice Cream Man Cometh.

 

[geehaad]

I don't think Max replaces the function that Noesen provides on the PP...instead, seems like he'd occupy either halfwall position. Unfortunately, that's where Necas, Svech, Aho, and TT have camped out in the past. Kotkaniemi has been in that spot on PP#2. It will be interesting to see how the chess pieces move.

 

[Svechhammer]

I don't think Max replaces the function that Noesen provides on the PP...instead, seems like he'd occupy either halfwall position. Unfortunately, that's where Necas, Svech, Aho, and TT have camped out in the past. Kotkaniemi has been in that spot on PP#2. It will be interesting to see how the chess pieces move.

I would think Svech and Aho go low to around the net. Patches and Necas handle the space between the dots and blue line, Burns runs point.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I would think Svech and Aho go low to around the net. Patches and Necas handle the space between the dots and blue line, Burns runs point.

I'm not sure he'll be on PP1 to start. Maybe, but they haven't practiced that yet so I doubt the Canes put him there without practice. It's going to be interesting to see how he fits in if/when he does get to PP1.

Burns: Clearly the point
Aho: Of the 5, he's by far the best suited for the bumper position, center ice between the dots and blue line. Clearly he moves around though as do all the guys.
Necas: Pretty much has to be on one half wall. He likes to hold onto the puck and skate with it trying to open up passing/shooting lanes. That's best suited for the half wall.

That leave's Pacioretty and Svech. Both are arguably our best snipers (if Patches is close to 100%). Svech is also great behind the net and can be a physical presence in front of the net, but that takes away one of his big weapons, his shot. It doesn't mean he is stationary there, but it takes that option away from the PP.

If those are the 5 guys that end up on PP1, that's probably how hit settles out though. Burns up top, Aho in the bumper spot, Patches (LH shot) and Necas (RH shot) on the half walls and Svech down low.

While all those guys can pass fairly well, that's also a lot of shooters on 1 PP, including Burns at the point.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I don't think Max replaces the function that Noesen provides on the PP...instead, seems like he'd occupy either halfwall position. Unfortunately, that's where Necas, Svech, Aho, and TT have camped out in the past. Kotkaniemi has been in that spot on PP#2. It will be interesting to see how the chess pieces move.

I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if he replaced TT or Kotkaniemi on the halfwall eventually.

 

[Svechhammer]

I'm not sure he'll be on PP1 to start. Maybe, but they haven't practiced that yet so I doubt the Canes put him there without practice. It's going to be interesting to see how he fits in if/when he does get to PP1.

Burns: Clearly the point
Aho: Of the 5, he's by far the best suited for the bumper position, center ice between the dots and blue line. Clearly he moves around though as do all the guys.
Necas: Pretty much has to be on one half wall. He likes to hold onto the puck and skate with it trying to open up passing/shooting lanes. That's best suited for the half wall.

That leave's Pacioretty and Svech. Both are arguably our best snipers (if Patches is close to 100%). Svech is also great behind the net and can be a physical presence in front of the net, but that takes away one of his big weapons, his shot. It doesn't mean he is stationary there, but it takes that option away from the PP.

If those are the 5 guys that end up on PP1, that's probably how hit settles out though. Burns up top, Aho in the bumper spot, Patches (LH shot) and Necas (RH shot) on the half walls and Svech down low.

While all those guys can pass fairly well, that's also a lot of shooters on 1 PP, including Burns at the point.

I mean this opens the door for someone like Turbo to slot into PP1 as a passer, but then who do you move out? And if you're going to move someone out, you're definitely going to want to then strategize for PP2.

The ones who have a bit of a redundant role would be Svech and Patches, so maybe you go with Svech, KK, Noesen, Jarvis, Pesce on PP2? That could be sneakily potent, but I also wonder if someone like Chatfield might deserve a look, given he has a cannon and adds a wrinkle we don't really have on that line, yet.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Unfortunately, that's where Necas, Svech, Aho, and TT have camped out in the past.

And with how hot the pp has been we wouldn’t want to change anything

 

[tarheelhockey]

IMO it’s not that big of a deal to move a player to the second PP unit, provided that group has enough talent to produce goals. A unit with Jarvis, Svech, Noesen (to take the example above) should be productive. In theory that is the situation where a Stastny or Kotkaniemi could start to find a productive home as the 4th forward. And it would really put an onus on management to find a QB for that unit at the trade deadline, because you could get some serious impact from that group with even a modestly good puck mover.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

thanks....good read. Sounds like he'll fit right in with Rod.

"This guy's worked his tail off," Canes Head Strength & Conditioning Coach Bill Burniston, who assisted intimately with Pacioretty in his recovery, shared. "I'm serious, he has worked his butt off. With him, it's been more of having to pull him back than it's been pushing him. He's wanted to keep doing more and more to try and get back, but we have to make sure we do it right."

How intent has #67 been in his comeback?

"He had his surgery on August 9. He was sending me pictures and videos of him doing arm exercises at home on August 10," Burniston continued.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Our lack of scoring on our PP has nothing to do with the level of talent on the team...the guys on the PP can score, and are our best scorers, and generate chances 5v5 & shorthanded. Our inability to finish/capitalize on the PP is entirely because it's run like dogshit and has a terrible, incredibly predictable scheme/pattern. While watching you know what they're about to do with the puck 95% of the time, and if we know, the other team sure as hell knows. This is a team that hasn't scored on a 5v3 in...how f***ing long now? While most teams are probably pretty close to 40-50%, we're at 0%. Sure bringing in Patches helps, gives us another scorer, another weapon, but at the end of the day if we don't change our actual PP method, we could have Ovi and still f*** it up

 

[hblueridgegal]

Less concerned about him and more worried by the team's propensity to handle change negatively albeit personnel, schedule, etc. Hopefully, it won't be too disruptive and they'll adapt quickly.

 

[AD Skinner]

Our lack of scoring on our PP has nothing to do with the level of talent on the team...the guys on the PP can score, and are our best scorers, and generate chances 5v5 & shorthanded. Our inability to finish/capitalize on the PP is entirely because it's run like dogshit and has a terrible, incredibly predictable scheme/pattern. While watching you know what they're about to do with the puck 95% of the time, and if we know, the other team sure as hell knows. This is a team that hasn't scored on a 5v3 in...how f***ing long now? While most teams are probably pretty close to 40-50%, we're at 0%

Did they not score 5 on 3 against NJ like 4 days ago?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Our lack of scoring on our PP has nothing to do with the level of talent on the team...the guys on the PP can score, and are our best scorers, and generate chances 5v5 & shorthanded. Our inability to finish/capitalize on the PP is entirely because it's run like dogshit and has a terrible, incredibly predictable scheme/pattern. While watching you know what they're about to do with the puck 95% of the time, and if we know, the other team sure as hell knows. This is a team that hasn't scored on a 5v3 in...how f***ing long now? While most teams are probably pretty close to 40-50%, we're at 0%. Sure bringing in Patches helps, gives us another scorer, another weapon, but at the end of the day if we don't change our actual PP method, we could have Ovi and still f*** it up

The PP scheme isn’t the best but this is wrong.
We don’t have a one timing shooter. We can’t switch sides of the ice and shoot instantaneously. We have to collect the puck giving the goalie time to get over. Most of the best have one.
We also don’t have much in line of snipers either. Half of our PP players aren’t what I would call goal scorers. Jarvis, KK, Stas, Turbo, Pesce. Burns is just a volume shooter, I wouldn’t call him a big threat with his shot either.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Less concerned about him and more worried by the team's propensity to handle change negatively albeit personnel, schedule, etc. Hopefully, it won't be too disruptive and they'll adapt quickly.

Can you give examples of their propensity to handle change negatively? It seems like Hamilton, after getting his hand healthy fit right in. Trocheck and Skjei fit right in. Even Haula and Ferland fit right in until injuries hit. TDA fit in seamlessly and even Bear started off great. Nino hit the ground running mid season.

I'm sure there are some examples, but I'm not convince there's a propensity to do it, but maybe I'm missing your point.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I’d suggest that our PP2 should improve with Patches onboard and perhaps someone from pp1 moving down.

Of course, it could be significantly better if Pesce wasn’t at the point (he is playing great this year though in a non-pp capacity).

 

[hblueridgegal]

Can you give examples of their propensity to handle change negatively? It seems like Hamilton, after getting his hand healthy fit right in. Trocheck and Skjei fit right in. Even Haula and Ferland fit right in until injuries hit. TDA fit in seamlessly and even Bear started off great. Nino hit the ground running mid season.

I'm sure there are some examples, but I'm not convince there's a propensity to do it, but maybe I'm missing your point.

Such as the beginning of this season? Seemed like there was an adjustment period. Or, even the panicky line shuffles that the coach imposes. Schedule shifts are a running joke here due to how they often seem to coincide with shaky performances and starts.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Such as the beginning of this season? Seemed like there was an adjustment period. Or, even the panicky line shuffles that the coach imposes. Schedule shifts are a running joke here due to how they often seem to coincide with shaky performances and starts.

On the flip side, last year the team started off incredibly well with the changes. The season before, the team started off great with the additions of Trocheck, Skjei. I mentioned other as well such as hitting the ground running with Nino and even Haula / Ferland.

AS far as line shuffles, is that really any different than other teams/coaches? particularly early in the season?

I'm not saying there won't be an adjustment period, as there very well could be, I just don't think there's an ongoing propensity for it on a grand scale. Not too long ago after a quick start the prior two seasons, folks were saying we work too hard early in the season and thus have nothing left in the tank at the end. Now when we don't start off as quickly, "we don't handle change" well.

A lot of narratives floating around. Probably some truth in each of them, but not as definitive as they are sometimes made out to be.

 

[hblueridgegal]

On the flip side, last year the team started off incredibly well with the changes. The season before, the team started off great with the additions of Trocheck, Skjei. I mentioned other as well such as hitting the ground running with Nino and even Haula / Ferland.

AS far as line shuffles, is that really any different than other teams/coaches? particularly early in the season?

I'm not saying there won't be an adjustment period, as there very well could be, I just don't think there's an ongoing propensity for it on a grand scale. Not too long ago after a quick start the prior two seasons, folks were saying we work too hard early in the season and thus have nothing left in the tank at the end. Now when we don't start off as quickly, "we don't handle change" well.

A lot of narratives floating around. Probably some truth in each of them, but not as definitive as they are sometimes made out to be.

We see things differently. I have always thought of it as a weakness of the team similar to their lack of killer instinct. I have attributed most of it to their youth in the past. Along with the coach's anxiety (panic button behavior) at times being passed on to the team. I think it is more prominent in high pressure situations such as high stakes, big stage games or in the playoffs.

JMO, there's still an emotional and confidence divide between them and Tampa, Boston, Colorado, even the Caps, etc...teams that roll with the punches and adapt more quickly to change and adversity.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

We see things differently. I have always thought of it as a weakness of the team similar to their lack of killer instinct. I have attributed most of it to their youth in the past. Along with the coach's anxiety (panic button behavior) at times being passed on to the team. I think it is more prominent in high pressure situations such as high stakes, big stage games or in the playoffs.

JMO, there's still an emotional and confidence divide between them and Tampa, Boston, Colorado, even the Caps, etc...teams that roll with the punches and adapt more quickly to change and adversity.

That's fine. I'm just talking about actual results after changes (this discussion) vs. perceived results after changes. If, after changes in the past, there was a drop like this season, I'd probably agree, but until I see that type of drop off after change more consistently, it's hard for me to say is prevalent.

As for the confidence piece as it relates to not showing up in big games? Until they find a way to actually get over the hump in the playoffs, I won't discount that being part of it.

EDIT: anyhow, back on topic. I hope the Canes bring him along slowly starting him lower in the line-up to avoid any potential issues with chemistry adding him to the line-up. I think we agree on that.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Did they not score 5 on 3 against NJ like 4 days ago?

I missed that game, went back and checked and you're correct, Necas tying goal I think was 5v3...still, we had >1 yr drought at one point between 5v3 PPGs

The PP scheme isn’t the best but this is wrong.
We don’t have a one timing shooter. We can’t switch sides of the ice and shoot instantaneously. We have to collect the puck giving the goalie time to get over. Most of the best have one.
We also don’t have much in line of snipers either. Half of our PP players aren’t what I would call goal scorers. Jarvis, KK, Stas, Turbo, Pesce. Burns is just a volume shooter, I wouldn’t call him a big threat with his shot either.

We're 27th on the PP...26 teams, including the likes of the Yotes & Kraken, have better "snipers"? Noesen leads us with 6PPG, that's behind the likes of prominent snipers J Toews (7) and even with R. Smith & Domi (6). Necas and Svetch have pretty good shots, they're definitely goal-scorers this year (just less-so on the PP). Ultimately, that's just an excuse...a well-run PP doesn't need an Ovi, you just need to actually move enough to open up shooting lanes, screen a goalie, get to a rebound, etc. We just perimeter it around and force long-distance shots either into someone standing right in front of us or at an unscreened goalie

 

[The Faulker 27]

Surprisingly the PP% is in the top 5 over the past 5 games and that's including the dumpster fire in NY. Small sample size. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a hot PP being that it's been below League average for most of the season, but it's at least good progress. It's a hot streak for now and hopefully NY wasn't the beginning of a regression.

 

[Canes]

I think Svech, Necas, Aho and TT have shown they have decent enough one timers at points in their career. Are they Ovechkin or Laine? No but adequate enough. They just don't seem to like setting up one timers on the powerplay. They love to overpass in an attempt for a clean look at the net where the shooter can pick a spot so basically the opposite of trying for one timers. Is this a conscientious decision by the players or do they avoid one timers on the powerplay because of some internal fancy stat shows they are low chance plays, or something like that? Who knows.

 

[geehaad]

We see things differently.

Without their number #1 goaltender and #1 center (for which they don't even have a true #2 to back him up), they went on a franchise-record winning/point streak while being unable to handle change and adversity.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I think Svech, Necas, Aho and TT have shown they have decent enough one timers at points in their career. Are they Ovechkin or Laine? No but adequate enough. They just don't seem to like setting up one timers on the powerplay. They love to overpass in an attempt for a clean look at the net where the shooter can pick a spot so basically the opposite of trying for one timers. Is this a conscientious decision by the players or do they avoid one timers on the powerplay because of some internal fancy stat shows they are low chance plays, or something like that? Who knows.

The risk I see with a one timer from the half-wall is it probably has a higher chance of leaving the zone if you miss it.