P.K. Subban

[Canadienna]

yesterday serge savard gave an interview and he was asked about pk playing more than 35 minutes. Interview was in french: Savard said pk is one of the great defensemen in the league because he is phisically strong, skate well and have a poweful shot; that's something rare and we are lucky in mtl to have him. A defenseman of the quality of pk subban, we are tempted to criticize because his mistakes are more visible than others because he takes risks. He said mtl has an history of having great goalies like jacques plante, ken dryden and patrick roy, but we are lucky to have a defenseman like pk because he is never injured and come through when you need him the most. Savard said he use to play 45 minutes per game back in the time because they were working with 5 defensemen and everything was slower!

http://www.radio-canada.ca/widgets/mediaconsole/medianet/7245761

i noticed serge savard always has good words for pk. André savard as well when he is at l'antichambre. I think it's sad for pk that he definitly came in the wrong era. With one those two gm he would be more liked and a captain by now. Unless a miracle he will never be.

you blew it!!!

 

[MasterDecoy]

didnt watch the game, so... subban got injured?

 

[Nicko999]

didnt watch the game, so... subban got injured?

Probably just a bruise.

 

[MasterDecoy]

Probably just a bruise.

bruised what? ego? leg? arm?

 

[YYZviaYUL]

bruised what? ego? leg? arm?

Right foot.. Area right above the ankle and below the shin.

 

[Davebo*]

bruised what? ego? leg? arm?

I bet you could find some video highlights if you look....

 

[phoque taupe]

February sucks

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

BTW, this came up earlier in the thread. In regards to the PK Subban skit and how no offense was intentional, have a read at the reactions of people. Take a moment to actually think about the implications of having a white guy perform these kinds of skits.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...c-intent-vs-offence?google_editors_picks=true

If they want a guy to play PK Subban in a skit, for **** sakes hire a black actor.

 

[TT1]

pretty solid season ^_^

 

[Brainiac]

BTW, this came up earlier in the thread. In regards to the PK Subban skit and how no offense was intentional, have a read at the reactions of people. Take a moment to actually think about the implications of having a white guy perform these kinds of skits.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...c-intent-vs-offence?google_editors_picks=true

If they want a guy to play PK Subban in a skit, for **** sakes hire a black actor.

It's been beaten to death but... they didn't have the budget and didn't want to hire one actor to have him play only in a 30sec. clip. Anyways, somebody would say it's still racist because by appearing for less time, that actor would have been paid 10x less than the others. And you certainly don't want to whiteface him so that he can do a parody of Denis Coderre...

The whole show is about 5-6 guys wearing costumes and makeup to mock just about anyone relevant in Quebec.

That was not 'blackface' in the original, truly offensive way. It's not like they painted a white guy so that he could play a dumb slave. Come on.

 

[Jigger77]

It's been beaten to death but... they didn't have the budget and didn't want to hire one actor to have him play only in a 30sec. clip. Anyways, somebody would say it's still racist because by appearing for less time, that actor would have been paid 10x less than the others. And you certainly don't want to whiteface him so that he can do a parody of Denis Coderre...

The whole show is about 5-6 guys wearing costumes and makeup to mock just about anyone relevant in Quebec.

That was not 'blackface' in the original, truly offensive way. It's not like they painted a white guy so that he could play a dumb slave. Come on.

Agreed. People are just lining up for the latest thing to be profusely offended with these days.

 

[CanadienShark]

BTW, this came up earlier in the thread. In regards to the PK Subban skit and how no offense was intentional, have a read at the reactions of people. Take a moment to actually think about the implications of having a white guy perform these kinds of skits.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...c-intent-vs-offence?google_editors_picks=true

If they want a guy to play PK Subban in a skit, for **** sakes hire a black actor.

I'll admit, I got bored before finishing reading it. That said, who really cares? It seems like an opportunity to people to make a racial issue out of something that has no intended insult. Basically, it's kind of like my school that likes to start sexually related controversies whenever possible. Lighten up people.

 

[danyhabsfan]

PK Subban played 5:47 on the penalty kill vs Columbus.

 

[417]

Agreed. People are just lining up for the latest thing to be profusely offended with these days.

Ridiculous...

Personally, I realize the intent wasn't to be offensive in anyway...but that's really not the point

If you don't understand the sensitivities regarding blackface, and how it CAN leave some people uncomfortable with it, then I don't know what to say.

 

[Jigger77]

Ridiculous...

Personally, I realize the intent wasn't to be offensive in anyway...but that's really not the point

If you don't understand the sensitivities regarding blackface, and how it CAN leave some people uncomfortable with it, then I don't know what to say.

I understand its historical implications very well.

I also understand perspective, common sense and judgement which allow me to not make mountains out of molehills.

 

[417]

I understand its historical implications very well.

I also understand perspective, common sense and judgement which allow me to not make mountains out of molehills.

I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill...but personally, I find it offensive and it's certainly my right to think so. You or others don't have to agree with it, and that's fine

But to try to play it off like it's just people being overly-sensitive to it??

Don't agree with that...it's poor taste and if ever I was on hand and witnessed that, i'd quietly take my things and just leave the show.

 

[Jigger77]

I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill...but personally, I find it offensive and it's certainly my right to think so. You or others don't have to agree with it, and that's fine

But to try to play it off like it's just people being overly-sensitive to it??

Don't agree with that...it's poor taste and if ever I was on hand and witnessed that, i'd quietly take my things and just leave the show.

Fair enough.

 

[Brainiac]

Ridiculous...

Personally, I realize the intent wasn't to be offensive in anyway...but that's really not the point

If you don't understand the sensitivities regarding blackface, and how it CAN leave some people uncomfortable with it, then I don't know what to say.

If somebody is offended by something, it doesn't mean that thing should automatically be labelled as "offensive".

Some black guys from Quebec artistic community came out saying they were not offended by that clip (Boucar Diouf, Brathwaite).

 

[Turtleneck Plek]

If somebody is offended by something, it doesn't mean that thing should automatically be labelled as "offensive".

Some black guys from Quebec artistic community came out saying they were not offended by that clip (Boucar Diouf, Brathwaite).

In the same vein, just because "some black guys from Quebec artistic community" said it wasn't offensive doesn't mean it's not offensive.

 

[417]

If somebody is offended by something, it doesn't mean that thing should automatically be labelled as "offensive".

Some black guys from Quebec artistic community came out saying they were not offended by that clip (Boucar Diouf, Brathwaite).

And? so what? (not surprised they're not offended by it btw)

What's the relevance of them not being offended?

 

[Andrei79]

And? so what? (not surprised they're not offended by it btw)

What's the relevance of them not being offended?

I wonder how it was for other french people growing up in Quebec, but I didn't even know blackface had any historical implications until my 20s. It's just not part of Quebec culture and it's not done for racist reasons, unlike english North America. The people who did it might've been ignorant like I was, but they didn't do it on purpose. I think that's why a lot of black people here weren't offended, there was no ill will.

 

[Lebowski]

Being offended by everything and everyone has become somewhat of an habit in developed societies.

We're so insulated from truly offending matters that we get pissy about every little meaningless thing just for the sake of expressing a general sense of disapproval.

I certainly get the idea that the blackface was in bad taste, but I sincerely doubt there was any intention of racist prejudices from whoever took the decision. I think everyone knows that, and that should be all there is to it.

A vestige of overly feminist trends as far as I'm concerned.

 

[417]

I wonder how it was for other french people growing up in Quebec, but I didn't even know blackface had any historical implications until my 20s. It's just not part of Quebec culture and it's not done for racist reasons, unlike english North America. The people who did it might've been ignorant like I was, but they didn't do it on purpose. I think that's why a lot of black people here weren't offended, there was no ill will.

Yes I understand that...and agree with it to a certain degree.

I can understand not everyone understanding the historical significance of it. But how it slipped past EVERYONE?? There's no one who thought, hmm...this may not be in good taste.

That part of it is more insulting and offending to me then the sketch itself.

Ignorance is not an excuse IMO

Again, i'm not trying to make it a big deal, I even ignored commenting on this in this thread before today even though it was brought up. But I have more of an issue with people trying to brush this off like it's just people being overly-sensitive. Again, that's more insulting than anything

 

[417]

Being offended by everything and everyone has become somewhat of an habit in developed societies.

We're so insulated from truly offending matters that we get pissy about every little meaningless thing just for the sake of expressing a general sense of disapproval.

I certainly get the idea that the blackface was in bad taste, but I sincerely doubt there was any intention of racist prejudices from whoever took the decision. I think everyone knows that, and that should be all there is to it.

See I disagree entirely here...the issue, at least for me, is not the intention. I realize that maybe not everyone, ESPECIALLY in Quebec, understands the history behind that.

But given what we all know and have discussed now...how can anyone really just say that it's ok and no big deal now?

It should be a learning opportunity. Hell...this was brought up during a Habs games a few years back when some guys decided to wear blackface to the game with Subban jersey's on.

People in Quebec discussed it then, so I don't even entirely buy that 'they didn't know'. But that's another discussion

Either way, 'there is more to it than just that' as you put it.

 

[Brainiac]

And? so what? (not surprised they're not offended by it btw)

What's the relevance of them not being offended?

"Offensive" means that everybody, and I mean everybody, is offended.

Think Hitler pouring boiling battery acid on a basket of kittens with Jesus praising him right beside.

When it's 50/50... you can say you're offended, fine. You can say it's bad taste. You can say it's not appropriate. But you can't say it's offensive. Because you're trying to drag people along with you when they just don't care.

That sketch about Subban? I'd say it was definitely a little akward. I get it that some won't like it. But offensive? Certainly not.

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Anyways, that's my last comment on that issue because I'd also like to keep that thread on track: Subban is having a freaking great second half and I'm looking forward to see if he can catch up with Giordano in points. He's certainly thinking about it. He wants it.