P.K. Subban
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phoque taupe
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BTW, this came up earlier in the thread. In regards to the PK Subban skit and how no offense was intentional, have a read at the reactions of people. Take a moment to actually think about the implications of having a white guy perform these kinds of skits.
http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...c-intent-vs-offence?google_editors_picks=true
If they want a guy to play PK Subban in a skit, for **** sakes hire a black actor.
http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...c-intent-vs-offence?google_editors_picks=true
If they want a guy to play PK Subban in a skit, for **** sakes hire a black actor.
It's been beaten to death but... they didn't have the budget and didn't want to hire one actor to have him play only in a 30sec. clip. Anyways, somebody would say it's still racist because by appearing for less time, that actor would have been paid 10x less than the others. And you certainly don't want to whiteface him so that he can do a parody of Denis Coderre...
The whole show is about 5-6 guys wearing costumes and makeup to mock just about anyone relevant in Quebec.
That was not 'blackface' in the original, truly offensive way. It's not like they painted a white guy so that he could play a dumb slave. Come on.
It's been beaten to death but... they didn't have the budget and didn't want to hire one actor to have him play only in a 30sec. clip. Anyways, somebody would say it's still racist because by appearing for less time, that actor would have been paid 10x less than the others. And you certainly don't want to whiteface him so that he can do a parody of Denis Coderre...
The whole show is about 5-6 guys wearing costumes and makeup to mock just about anyone relevant in Quebec.
That was not 'blackface' in the original, truly offensive way. It's not like they painted a white guy so that he could play a dumb slave. Come on.
Agreed. People are just lining up for the latest thing to be profusely offended with these days.
CanadienShark
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I'll admit, I got bored before finishing reading it. That said, who really cares? It seems like an opportunity to people to make a racial issue out of something that has no intended insult. Basically, it's kind of like my school that likes to start sexually related controversies whenever possible. Lighten up people.
danyhabsfan
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Ridiculous...
Personally, I realize the intent wasn't to be offensive in anyway...but that's really not the point
If you don't understand the sensitivities regarding blackface, and how it CAN leave some people uncomfortable with it, then I don't know what to say.
I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill...but personally, I find it offensive and it's certainly my right to think so. You or others don't have to agree with it, and that's fine
But to try to play it off like it's just people being overly-sensitive to it??
Don't agree with that...it's poor taste and if ever I was on hand and witnessed that, i'd quietly take my things and just leave the show.
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In the same vein, just because "some black guys from Quebec artistic community" said it wasn't offensive doesn't mean it's not offensive.
And? so what? (not surprised they're not offended by it btw)
What's the relevance of them not being offended?
Andrei79
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I wonder how it was for other french people growing up in Quebec, but I didn't even know blackface had any historical implications until my 20s. It's just not part of Quebec culture and it's not done for racist reasons, unlike english North America. The people who did it might've been ignorant like I was, but they didn't do it on purpose. I think that's why a lot of black people here weren't offended, there was no ill will.
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Being offended by everything and everyone has become somewhat of an habit in developed societies.
We're so insulated from truly offending matters that we get pissy about every little meaningless thing just for the sake of expressing a general sense of disapproval.
I certainly get the idea that the blackface was in bad taste, but I sincerely doubt there was any intention of racist prejudices from whoever took the decision. I think everyone knows that, and that should be all there is to it.
A vestige of overly feminist trends as far as I'm concerned.
We're so insulated from truly offending matters that we get pissy about every little meaningless thing just for the sake of expressing a general sense of disapproval.
I certainly get the idea that the blackface was in bad taste, but I sincerely doubt there was any intention of racist prejudices from whoever took the decision. I think everyone knows that, and that should be all there is to it.
A vestige of overly feminist trends as far as I'm concerned.
Yes I understand that...and agree with it to a certain degree.
I can understand not everyone understanding the historical significance of it. But how it slipped past EVERYONE?? There's no one who thought, hmm...this may not be in good taste.
That part of it is more insulting and offending to me then the sketch itself.
Ignorance is not an excuse IMO
Again, i'm not trying to make it a big deal, I even ignored commenting on this in this thread before today even though it was brought up. But I have more of an issue with people trying to brush this off like it's just people being overly-sensitive. Again, that's more insulting than anything
See I disagree entirely here...the issue, at least for me, is not the intention. I realize that maybe not everyone, ESPECIALLY in Quebec, understands the history behind that.
But given what we all know and have discussed now...how can anyone really just say that it's ok and no big deal now?
It should be a learning opportunity. Hell...this was brought up during a Habs games a few years back when some guys decided to wear blackface to the game with Subban jersey's on.
People in Quebec discussed it then, so I don't even entirely buy that 'they didn't know'. But that's another discussion
Either way, 'there is more to it than just that' as you put it.
"Offensive" means that everybody, and I mean everybody, is offended.
Think Hitler pouring boiling battery acid on a basket of kittens with Jesus praising him right beside.
When it's 50/50... you can say you're offended, fine. You can say it's bad taste. You can say it's not appropriate. But you can't say it's offensive. Because you're trying to drag people along with you when they just don't care.
That sketch about Subban? I'd say it was definitely a little akward. I get it that some won't like it. But offensive? Certainly not.
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Anyways, that's my last comment on that issue because I'd also like to keep that thread on track: Subban is having a freaking great second half and I'm looking forward to see if he can catch up with Giordano in points. He's certainly thinking about it. He wants it.
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