P.K. Subban

[Kriss E]

Keith and Suter are both better than Subban. Subban is more creative offensively than either and more physical, or at least with the bigger hits, but defensively both are ahead of him.

I don't think they are better than Subban. You can bottled them up all together along with Weber and Doughty, it's a matter of preference imo. All in all though, we have a guy here that absolutely thrives off pressure, that loves the media attention of playing in a city like Mtl, so why make a bilateral move? Just pointless.
What if Suter doesn't like Mtl? Then what? Not to mention PK is a lot more valuable as a marketing tool and as much as people like to crap on him for dumb penalties or scrimmage tussles, can you point at one instance where this guy didn't seem happy?
I wouldn't move PK for any Dmen.

The length of Suter's contract sucks, but the cap hit is what, 2 mill less ?

To be honest, I don't care so much about cap hits, the cap is so high, teams have issues reaching the floor. I tend to put more importance on the length of the deal. Suter is set to get paid until he's 40. Trading his contract for Subban's isn't the smartest idea.

The forwards, while they make our forward group great, it does open a hole on the backend. Though, getting Tavares/Stamkos/Malkin leave Galchenyuk open to trade, which could help us land a very good dman.

So we would lose Galchenyuk too? Come on now, it all sounds pointless.

 

[Analyzer*]

I disagree. I just don't see it. They certainly have achieved the kind of rep around the league that saves them from most, if not any criticism, but swapping PK for either of them wouldn't make us a better team.

Suter, for one, has been absolute garbage this season.



But then it becomes a lateral move at best, wouldn't it? Galchenyuk doesn't get you close to a comparable defenseman to Subban in a trade scenario, so we're still in trouble in that case.

Suter, or any dman looks like garbage when your team isn't very good defensively as a whole and you have a **** goalie.

While I'm not entirely sure how much Nashville would be willing to deal him, but a deal around Galchenyuk for Jones could happen. Jones and a Malkin/Tavares/Stamkos/Crosby is better than Galchenyuk and Subban. Then new contracts kick in for 3 of the 4 and who knows how it will look.

I don't think they are better than Subban. You can bottled them up all together along with Weber and Doughty, it's a matter of preference imo. All in all though, we have a guy here that absolutely thrives off pressure, that loves the media attention of playing in a city like Mtl, so why make a bilateral move? Just pointless.
What if Suter doesn't like Mtl? Then what? Not to mention PK is a lot more valuable as a marketing tool and as much as people like to crap on him for dumb penalties or scrimmage tussles, can you point at one instance where this guy didn't seem happy?
I wouldn't move PK for any Dmen.


To be honest, I don't care so much about cap hits, the cap is so high, teams have issues reaching the floor. I tend to put more importance on the length of the deal. Suter is set to get paid until he's 40. Trading his contract for Subban's isn't the smartest idea.


So we would lose Galchenyuk too? Come on now, it all sounds pointless.

I guess I miss the post one poster did, but they had a point in saying that Subban thrives here. That's a rare trait in its self. PK has proved this already while Suter has played in a quiet market, to a medium market. Keith has played in a medium market.

Cap does matter. It helps to get more depth and skilled players on your team. Having a dman command 9 mill cap hit, while putting up 45-50 points and playing good-very good defense on a game to game basis isn't ideal.

Gonchar has played until he's 40 and while his contract isn't as high of a cap hit, he's still doing well here, no ? Consider that Suter is better defensive than Gonchar is, he could easily be useful until he's 40. However, the recapture penalty if he feels otherwise would be deadly.

Even with all of that said, while we're all "Yeah, I'd trade him for this, no way not for that guy!" I'd be surprised if any team would trade the aforementioned players for Subban.

 

[feds91]

just saw a video on nhl.com on nhl player crushes and one of pk's selection was Oprah

 

[Kriss E]

I guess I miss the post one poster did, but they had a point in saying that Subban thrives here. That's a rare trait in its self. PK has proved this already while Suter has played in a quiet market, to a medium market. Keith has played in a medium market.

Cap does matter. It helps to get more depth and skilled players on your team. Having a dman command 9 mill cap hit, while putting up 45-50 points and playing good-very good defense on a game to game basis isn't ideal.

Gonchar has played until he's 40 and while his contract isn't as high of a cap hit, he's still doing well here, no ? Consider that Suter is better defensive than Gonchar is, he could easily be useful until he's 40. However, the recapture penalty if he feels otherwise would be deadly.

Even with all of that said, while we're all "Yeah, I'd trade him for this, no way not for that guy!" I'd be surprised if any team would trade the aforementioned players for Subban.

And I would be surprised if Habs moved Subban for any of the guys mentioned too for the same reason that it's a pointless trade.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Another great game tonight!!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Keith and Suter are both better than Subban. Subban is more creative offensively than either and more physical, or at least with the bigger hits, but defensively both are ahead of him.

I'll take Subban over either of those guys. Wouldn't be a hard decision for me either.

 

[Lebowski]

I'll take Subban over either of those guys. Wouldn't be a hard decision for me either.

The only guy in the league that I think would make this team better as of right now is Shea Weber.

I have Subban ranked 2nd.

 

[Miller Time]

I'll take Subban over either of those guys. Wouldn't be a hard decision for me either.

Suter, absolutely no doubt... PK is already better overall, and has more room to grow.

Keith... that one is a lot tougher beacuse of the cap implications. He's got 8 years @ 5.5M$. That's an insanely good contract. Takes him to 39 years old, but for a guy that relies more on his brain/positioning than physical attributes, his decline should be pretty tapered.

As much as I view Subban as one of the best assets for a team to have right now and in the years to come, MB's mishandling of the contract situation put his cap# into the league high category for the next considerable amount of time.

Keith at 5.5M$ vs Subban @9M$ would be a very hard swap to turn down in a cap system.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Suter, absolutely no doubt... PK is already better overall, and has more room to grow.

Keith... that one is a lot tougher beacuse of the cap implications. He's got 8 years @ 5.5M$. That's an insanely good contract. Takes him to 39 years old, but for a guy that relies more on his brain/positioning than physical attributes, his decline should be pretty tapered.

As much as I view Subban as one of the best assets for a team to have right now and in the years to come, MB's mishandling of the contract situation put his cap# into the league high category for the next considerable amount of time.

Keith at 5.5M$ vs Subban @9M$ would be a very hard swap to turn down in a cap system.

Just talking on play only. Factoring cap hits etc, that can always be a different story.

 

[Bloumeister]

I'll take Subban over either of those guys. Wouldn't be a hard decision for me either.

LG's got a mancrush

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

LG's got a mancrush

Whole new meaning to triple low five.

 

[macavoy]

just saw a video on nhl.com on nhl player crushes and one of pk's selection was Oprah

Have you ever checked out her cleavage?

 

[CanadianLover]

In La Presse PK said he loses between 32 000 and 40 000 calories per game. Is that accurate? The number seems so hight. Maybe he said between 32 hundred and 40 hundred and the french guy understood thousands. Does anybody know how much energy a hockey player can lose in a game?

 

[habsfanatics*]

In La Presse PK said he loses between 32 000 and 40 000 calories per game. Is that accurate? The number seems so hight. Maybe he said between 32 hundred and 40 hundred and the french guy understood thousands. Does anybody know how much energy a hockey player can lose in a game?

I think 10lbs is much more likely than 1 lb, so I think those numbers are correct. It's almost entirely water weight.

 

[Brainiac]

In La Presse PK said he loses between 32 000 and 40 000 calories per game. Is that accurate? The number seems so hight. Maybe he said between 32 hundred and 40 hundred and the french guy understood thousands. Does anybody know how much energy a hockey player can lose in a game?

Thousands is impossible.

Basal metabolism for a guy like Subban is probably in the 2500-3000 range. Crank that up a little bit on game day and you get to 4000.

 

[Account Terminated]

Have you ever checked out her cleavage?

And the fact that she is fond of giveaways...

"PK, come to the bedroom... YOU GET SEX, AND YOU GET SEX, AND YOU GET SEX! YOU ALL GET SEX!!!"

In all seriousness, she's an intelligent, sophisticated and powerful woman, not to mention she is rich, rich, rich!

 

[habsfanatics*]

Thousands is impossible.

Basal metabolism for a guy like Subban is probably in the 2500-3000 range. Crank that up a little bit on game day and you get to 4000.

During the course of an average game, some players can lose as much as 5 to 8 pounds. Subban's on the high side here for sure. It's water loss. It's not the samething as 3500 cals equals a lb of fat, it's all sweat.

Pro fights can lose up to 20 lbs during a cut within 24 hours by dehydrating themselves. Rousey cut 17 lbs of water on tuf in 24 hrs by sitting in the sauna.

 

[habsfanatics*]

During the course of an average game, some players can lose as much as 5 to 8 pounds. Subban's on the high side here for sure. It's water loss. It's not the samething as 3500 cals equals a lb of fat, it's all sweat.

Pro fights can lose up to 20 lbs during a cut within 24 hours by dehydrating themselves. Rousey cut 17 lbs of water on tuf in 24 hrs by sitting in the sauna.

I think Subban was likely referring to amount of water weight he loses in cals, 10lbs is not unreasonable at all.

 

[JAVO16]

Another great game tonight!!

This is great.

 

[Bergevillain]

Another great game tonight!!

is there a video for this

 

[macavoy]

Anyone notice that PK seems to be playing a more free wheeling style lately and playing better in general as a result?

 

[Guess]

Anyone notice that PK seems to be playing a more free wheeling style lately and playing better in general as a result?

Since the new year he's been a lot more mobile, could be that he is losing that extra muscle he put on during the offseason, or he was taking it easy in the first half

 

[417]

Subban bossed that 1st period

 

[Brainiac]

During the course of an average game, some players can lose as much as 5 to 8 pounds. Subban's on the high side here for sure. It's water loss. It's not the samething as 3500 cals equals a lb of fat, it's all sweat.

Pro fights can lose up to 20 lbs during a cut within 24 hours by dehydrating themselves. Rousey cut 17 lbs of water on tuf in 24 hrs by sitting in the sauna.

As you said, it's mostly water.

Fat is about 4000 cal per pound. Carbs are more around 1800 cal per pound.

And anyways, the guys are constantly drinking water and gatorade during the game. So they mostly remain constant, while burning the calories, of course.

My guess is that when a player says he loses X pounds of water per game, it's because he's drinking X pounds of water that day and not gaining an ounce.

 

[CanadianLover]

Serge Savard on Subban

Yesterday Serge Savard gave an interview and he was asked about PK playing more than 35 minutes. Interview was in french: Savard said PK is one of the great defensemen in the league because he is phisically strong, skate well and have a poweful shot; that's something rare and we are lucky in MTL to have him. A defenseman of the quality of PK Subban, we are tempted to criticize because his mistakes are more visible than others because he takes risks. He said MTL has an history of having great goalies like Jacques Plante, Ken Dryden and Patrick Roy, but we are lucky to have a defenseman like PK because he is never injured and come through when you need him the most. Savard said he use to play 45 minutes per game back in the time because they were working with 5 defensemen and everything was slower!

http://www.radio-canada.ca/widgets/mediaconsole/medianet/7245761

I noticed Serge Savard always has good words for PK. André Savard as well when he is at l'Antichambre. I think it's sad for PK that he definitly came in the wrong era. With one those two GM he would be more liked and a captain by now. Unless a miracle he will never be.