Confirmed with Link: P.K.Subban traded to NJ for Santini, Davies, two 2nds

[Sgt Brylin]

Literally the only "addiotional cost" I worry about is whether trading Davies so soon after signing is going to affect how Walsh considers his options when it comes to signing him.

 

[NJ07102]

Literally the only "addiotional cost" I worry about is whether trading Davies so soon after signing is going to affect how Walsh considers his options when it comes to signing him.

They all know it is a business. And besides, a trade like that just means one less guy with similar skills to worry about for Walsh.

 

[Sgt Brylin]

They all know it is a business. And besides, a trade like that just means one less guy with similar skills to worry about for Walsh.

While I fully agree on the competition side, them knowing it's a business is what made Vesey, Butcher and Fox such attractive commodities - college players know they power they hold. I trust Ray and crew has had their conversations with Walsh's team, but can't help but wonder if this gives a signal of "sign and use as assets".

 

[AfroThunder396]

I bet Davies is actually really f***ing stoked he can tell all his friends back home that he got traded for a Norris winning defenseman.

Also, looking at how Nashville has turned into a defenseman factory I can't imagine he's excited to be there.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Hey PK Subban an is a Devil

That's awesome

 

[NJDevils7]

Will be contacting Cool Hockey this week

Wasn't there a thread on here dedicated to uniforms? I want to order one too. I remember last time I ordered one I bought a blank replica and then sent it out for official stitching/number customization. Can't remember what website though/if that's still the best option.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Wasn't there a thread on here dedicated to uniforms? I want to order one too. I remember last time I ordered one I bought a blank replica and then sent it out for official stitching/number customization. Can't remember what website though/if that's still the best option.

Exclusive Pro is who does the Devils' lettering. At least they used to.

And yeah there is a jersey thread. Probably got buried with all the new prospect threads.

 

[joestevens29]

I really don't get the trade. Is PK that hated across the league?

In a bad year he still was in the top 50 for points while playing 60ish games.

Either way congrats on the weekend as you added two very good pieces that should help for years to come.

 

[Better Call Sal]

I really don't get the trade. Is PK that hated across the league?

In a bad year he still was in the top 50 for points while playing 60ish games.

Either way congrats on the weekend as you added two very good pieces that should help for years to come.

The trade is simply that Nashville is looking to spark their forward group by going in and getting a high level UFA, likely Duchene. Subban was viewed as expendable because of his cap hit, the strength of their current defensive unit, Josi also needs a raise and Fabbro coming in as a highly touted prospect.

The return was lighter than expected for them because we were the only team seemingly willing to take on his full $9 million cap hit since we had the space.

I'm sure if they were retaining salary, the return would have been greater. Be that as it may, we're pretty pleased about it over here.

 

[Price is Wright]

I really don't get the trade. Is PK that hated across the league?

In a bad year he still was in the top 50 for points while playing 60ish games.

Either way congrats on the weekend as you added two very good pieces that should help for years to come.

Everyone is a capologist. Anyone looking at his advanced stats when he's healthy his defensive skill hasn't dropped off. Only his even strength production has slipped.

If Subban's back issues get worse he might end up an often injured defenceman putting up around 25-30 points that's hard to rely upon but is still your best defensive blue liner especially in one on one situations. That's a worst case scenario. I don't see a time where you don't still rely on Subban covering the likes of Crosby.

But if he heals and can put up a full season, you're getting a 60 point defenceman that's elite with and without the puck. He makes his partner better, eats big minutes, and has a way of attracting attention on the ice to keep it off of other players. Often on the powerplay his bomb at the point would have several covering him and Nashville wasn't bright enough to capitalize on it for the open players.

This was the first season since the Weber trade that one could try to claim that Weber had a good season, so people are trying to act like the tide's have shifted with this trade. You also had the typical whispers of locker room fighting. Should be reminded that the season he was traded from Montreal he was by far the best player on the team when he went down, like he was carrying an injured mess of a club, but nobody could get over his start of season goal drought so that all got forgotten. When P.K. isn't playing, that's when he's suddenly a problem in the eyes of some. When he is playing, and playing at 100%? Nobody is whispering.

 

[Triumph]

Half the teams in the league couldn't afford him. Of the remaining teams, half of them wouldn't want him because of his perceived issues, whatever they may be, and then there's a few more that have enough depth at RHD so that they wouldn't want him. Poile said there were only 4 teams in on this deal, and of those the Devils were the only team that could take on the entire cap hit.

 

[JrFischer54]

interesting that shero got suban the "other" big name traded that fateful day when we got hall. it comes full circle

 

[JimEIV]

From a CF perspective Subban was 54.4, 51.2 and 53.4 his 3 years in Nashville -- His relative CF was the highest this year of any of his 3 in Nashville. 3.6, 0.2 and 3.9 -

His +3.9 rel CF was the highest of any Nashville Dman this season. Eckholm was the next closest at +3.1

His shot average was higher this season than any of his 3 years in Nashville

66/142 2.15 Shots per game
82/207 = 2.52
63/168 = 2.66

I am not really seeing a drop off?

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

From a CF perspective Subban was 54.4, 51.2 and 53.4 his 3 years in Nashville -- His relative CF was the highest this year of any of his 3 in Nashville. 3.6, 0.2 and 3.9 -

His +3.9 rel CF was the highest of any Nashville Dman this season. Eckholm was the next closest at +3.1

His shot average was higher this season than any of his 3 years in Nashville

66/142 2.15 Shots per game
82/207 = 2.52
63/168 = 2.66

I am not really seeing a drop off?

The drop off is likely due to 2 things that in my opinion wont carry over to our team. For one he had a back issue all year and wasnt 100%, his skating ability dipped but this could be something that isnt going to carry over as long as he is healthy. Another thing is their PP was atrocious last year, he only had 10 PP points last year and he is more likely to end up with 15-20+ on a normal year. They did not have a good PP and to me it was more because the pieces they have didnt mesh well together. I think he's likely a 40+ point D man for us over the next 3 years and ages fine.

 

[Triumph]

I don't like Subban on the PP and hope that his role there would be minimized. He's good at entering the zone I think (maybe) but a bunch of big clappers from the blue line doesn't do it for me.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

I don't like Subban on the PP and hope that his role there would be minimized. He's good at entering the zone I think (maybe) but a bunch of big clappers from the blue line doesn't do it for me.

He had 20 assists on the PP two years ago, you dont watch nashville

 

[Bleedred]

From a CF perspective Subban was 54.4, 51.2 and 53.4 his 3 years in Nashville -- His relative CF was the highest this year of any of his 3 in Nashville. 3.6, 0.2 and 3.9 -

His +3.9 rel CF was the highest of any Nashville Dman this season. Eckholm was the next closest at +3.1

His shot average was higher this season than any of his 3 years in Nashville

66/142 2.15 Shots per game
82/207 = 2.52
63/168 = 2.66

I am not really seeing a drop off?

Just a drop off in his point production. It's just one year though, so it's not a trend to me until repeated. Could have just been a down year in points.

He also did have his lowest TOI since his rookie year.

 

[GameSeven]

I don't like Subban on the PP and hope that his role there would be minimized. He's good at entering the zone I think (maybe) but a bunch of big clappers from the blue line doesn't do it for me.

Yes, but the *threat* of it can do wonders with the right players and the space it can create.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

Half the teams in the league couldn't afford him. Of the remaining teams, half of them wouldn't want him because of his perceived issues, whatever they may be, and then there's a few more that have enough depth at RHD so that they wouldn't want him. Poile said there were only 4 teams in on this deal, and of those the Devils were the only team that could take on the entire cap hit.

Perhaps that is true, but it is not fact. Another alternative can be they offered worse deals, and NJ's was the best for Nashville. I mean, that's essentially what happened right? NJ made the best offer and won.

 

[Triumph]

He had 20 assists on the PP two years ago, you dont watch nashville

I don't care about PP assists - those could be anything. Half of them could be tips on shots directed at the net. Nashville's PP has been between meh and awful the last 3 years and part of that is because they ran a 3F 2D PP that looked to feed Subban for slapshots. I can't access power play shot numbers right now, as naturalstattrick seems to be down, but I'd bet Subban is either 1 or 2 in PP shots on that team in that time.

Okay, I actually braved NHL.com and Subban is 3rd behind Josi and Forsberg for PP shots over this time. So Josi's the real offender in this regard. But yeah, I'm not that worried given who the Devils hired as analytics people and what they've done to date with their PP under Hynes.

 

[BenedictGomez]

He also did have his lowest TOI since his rookie year.

I think this is what Shero & company are banking on, that it's not the fact Subban's skills are in decline, but that on a stacked defense the wealth gets spread around.

Defensively, however, his metrics from last year all still look pretty solid. His ESGA/60 would be tied for best among Devils starters (Mirco Mueller). I realize for Subban it may be a "drop", but it would still be #1 on the Devils.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

I don't care about PP assists - those could be anything. Half of them could be tips on shots directed at the net. Nashville's PP has been between meh and awful the last 3 years and part of that is because they ran a 3F 2D PP that looked to feed Subban for slapshots. I can't access power play shot numbers right now, as naturalstattrick seems to be down, but I'd bet Subban is either 1 or 2 in PP shots on that team in that time.

Okay, I actually braved NHL.com and Subban is 3rd behind Josi and Forsberg for PP shots over this time. So Josi's the real offender in this regard. But yeah, I'm not that worried given who the Devils hired as analytics people and what they've done to date with their PP under Hynes.

What I think Subban can bring to our PP is someone who is good on entries, has a great shot, and also has great creativity to create passing lanes. Butcher was pretty good at finding the lanes, but his shot is not even close to a threat so teams learned to stay hinged on Hall and Palmieri. He also was never a legitimate threat to enter the zone and our breakout faltered often. Severson provided a threat to shoot and either score, force a rebound or get a tip so his presence on PP1 helped a bit, but PK can play the top of the Umbrella at a high rate and also provide that threat to enter the zone with speed to help open it up for the other guys. Nashvilles PP set up was pure garbage and the fact that PK was hurt last year and missed time, then came back into the worst PP in the league, they just never got the momentum rolling.

 

[Devils731]

Subban can be valuable at the top of the umbrella because other teams worry about his slapshot, even if he doesn’t use it much. For the Devils PP, I want him sucking players towards the middle of the ice to force penalty killer movement creating a one timer on the half wing that isn’t blocked or space for the player on the half board to generate room to walk in and shoot or walk in and create the cross slot pass.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

Just wait for the Subban christmas tree jersey...

 

[JrFischer54]

I don't like Subban on the PP and hope that his role there would be minimized. He's good at entering the zone I think (maybe) but a bunch of big clappers from the blue line doesn't do it for me.

guess you would hate ovie on this team too then