Yup call me what you want but I'm done with the way this season is turning out I'm all aboard the sell everything train minus George.
Owen Sound Attack 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
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This team is simply not good enough.
Anyone got anything ?
October 5-5
November 1-5
This team is simply not good enough.
Anyone got anything ?
If I were coaching the defense on this team.....I would be thoroughly embarrassed.
I so agree, Sedley is a disaster on the PK, only thing he wants is the puck to go to him so he can rush up ice, instead of defending the net. I can see another rebuild coming.
Post game coach comments seemed to be aimed directly at the vets. Stop complaining to the refs and play better. The only silver lining I see is that younger players like Brennan, Cormier and Rogers are getting more ice time and getting better. Waddick is getting lots of chances but the posts keep getting in the way. Hookey was also good last night. The older guys, not so much.
Could take it a step further and narrow it down to 1 vet.
Surprisingly said offender spent 3.5 mins on the ice 6 on 5.
Once the Steelheads scored their bonus emptynetter , the aforementioned group of 6 was afforded a rest.
I'm still trying to figure the logic to that plan.
Looks like bag skating Monday and Tuesday
Nailed it Millpond, not sure why that defender/offender gets rewarded with extra ice time. Or maybe he just won't come off.
bobber
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DeGray said him and the coach he fired had a difference in philosophy. Can anyone explain what the difference was? The Attack seemed like a solid squad at the beginning of the year. Just seems like an excuse by the coach to start throwing players under the bus. Hard to believe OHL players are out of shape. What the hell does that make the rest of us? The Attack does have some highly regarded players. The Owen Sound barn has always been considered a hard place to get two points out of anytime.
I normally stay away from rumors but I'm not ready to throw Rumble under the bus as there is a possibility that some members of this team may be being coached from Boston Pizza.
Walters was fired for justified reasons, some hockey related and some not. Difference in philosophy was a kind way of putting it.
Definitely been some strong words from Coach Rumble since the change, challenging the players compete and now their fitness levels. All is certainly not well in Attack land right now. Far too many passengers on any given night.
The Bayshore being a hard place to play is certainly not true this year. Some of the team's worst performances have been at home. The building is as loud as they come when the team plays well but it's been as quiet as a church service most nights lately.
I don't think a coach has the ability to fix what ails this group. It feels more and more like a culture reset is required. The team hasn't inspired any hope or optimism this year with their performance on the ice. It would appear the team will be selling this season unless they show something different in the next stretch of games.
I think it's time for some accountability. The biggest tool the coach has is ice time. Some tough love for a few players might serve them well. You've got some hungry rookies that would jump at the opportunity to take those minutes, especially Crawford who competes every shift. It's not a good sign when you need to rely on the leadership of a 16 year old rookie to set the example for work ethic and compete level.
I think the coaches missed that lesson last night with 4 mins left to play. Same guys git all the ice time.
Mediocrity rewarded with even more ice time .
Doing the same thing expecting different results.
Today, there is no team that is afraid to play the Attack.
Last night coach double shifted the Hookey line a few times as they appeared to be on a roll. Need more of that. Agree that some of the vets need to have some thinking time on the bench. The coaching staff seems to be ok with doing that to rookies when they mess up.
To be fair, nobody has been afraid to play the Attack since Woolley graduated. They haven't really had a team that's made people pay the price in the corners or in front of the net. The opposition can basically take whatever ice they want for free most nights. It's pretty rare to see any kind of net front battle from the Attack D, they seem content to just stand beside the opposition forwards and occasionally engage with the stick. Our forwards don't really fight for the net front at the other end either. Machacek was great at that. It's hard to play that way but this group doesn't do hard.
The 21/22 season's roster wasn't the most talented team but they worked and made the opposition earn it if they wanted the two points. This version of the Attack is more skill and finesse than anything, especially on the blue line where there's near zero body contact. The addition of Stewart and Hookey hasn't really addressed what they wanted to address as it's really only the two of them who play with any sort of edge and physicality.
Not sure this Organization has ever been the same since Futa left.
Maybe he was the glue that held the whole thing together.
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I think I posted this last year when some people where saying the same thing, anyone who thinks that DeGray makes the decision that 30 wins a year is the standard, and that maximizing year to year on ice success is his decision and his decision only is operating with blinders on. He is managing the expectations of the teams owners and expectations. If the ownership felt that the marketplace could handle 2 years of down revenue then I'm sure the thought process would be different, but obviously its not. No owner just lets the manager do whatever they want with no accountability. I have no doubt that DeGray has autonomy with all decisions, but at the end of the day he is managing the team to the owners wishes.
Honestly believe that's the biggest issue today, a lack of confidence and very fragile mental state. 3/4 wins should help that, but you have to get there, and with fragile confidence, the littlest of failure or resistance can effect everything.
We all love Gavin, but he asked out multiple times, Ive heard some things but won't post them out of respect for him and his family.
Anyone who was around the team for the last 18 months know that the coaching decision was as much off ice as it was on ice. The team was over .500 when they let him go, to you, does that sound like a hockey decision, or perhaps there was more issues outside of hockey? Hockey decisions are not made when the team has a winning record.
PensFan101
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Yeah I tend to agree, and the Hockey Day in Canada broadcast with Dr. Severs' comments certainly reinforced that's how they feel. It's an attitude of things being just good enough when, if managed properly, a team that has already punched above its weight for years could be a model junior franchise top to bottom.
Especially when Saturday night over 2900 people were in attendance to watch an out of Conference opponent embarrass a supposed contending team and push them out of a playoff spot 18 games in the year. The support is there.
Again, not directed at you since we're obviously in agreement, but it seems like change may have to come from the fans and showing our displeasure. That doesn't necessarily come from not showing up - but rather making the complaints louder and more visible.
As someone who has been waiting to be able to get season tickets again, I would absolutely get them and would stomach a full rebuild if there was a return to optimism and this team might contend at some point down the road.
And that's totally fair. I would encourage anyone who is not happy with anything that they spend money on, be it hockey or other entertainment options, to value their money with the enjoyment they get from the product.
If you don't like what you're receiving in return for your money, you have the option to stop spending, and that gives power to the purchaser. Its basic economics. The extra benefit that Owen Sound fans have is that the owners are very present at games and never seem shy to talk to anyone, so you have a direct line to those responsible for feedback. If I was upset, I would approach one of the owners at a game before running to a message board and complaining, one will enact more change then the other, but also be careful what you wish for, because you may not get a reply that you get. Also, some don't have the mental strength or fortitude to put a face to criticism (Not directed to you at all as well).
Personally, I enjoy having a competitive team every year, young players that are hopefully growing into OHL skaters, I would think this would be the feedback that the ownership group has as well, otherwise why would they push for 30 wins every year? The ownership needs to be concerned about all fans, but need to really worry about the majority, if the majority want the 30 wins standard, they need to manage to that vs the minority.
While I think right this second there are flaws on this team, they eventually will sort it out and give a strong product on the ice. It may not be a championship team (may still be, we will see), but it's much better than what we see now, and the good thing is that it appears to be very mental vs a lack of skill or abilities.
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After the threat of a conditioning skate, I wonder what the lines will be this weekend. Is Barlow still out, Stewart has served his 3 games?
Stewart is eligible to return with his suspension being served. Barlow is day to day and return is TBD.
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