Owen Sound Attack 2022-23 Season Thread

[DCruickshank]

My comment on who is not going to be here next year was a "dig"....of course I know who is not here next year...but I do not beleive the return you would get for any OA is equivalent to the experience of one more playoff season to this young team that is going for it next year...and as far as our 19yr olds...yes we have 5 but are you absolutely sure all will be available next season?? Last thing you want to do is trade any before summer/early fall

 

[OSattackfan]

Attack have released Luc Schweingruber to cut down to 8D on the roster. They now have an open import slot though are not expected to fill it.

All players, minus Bonauito, are practicing in normal jerseys so we are looking at a full healthy roster or at least close to it if they elect to hold Sawyer and Bryant out this weekend for some extra time. To me, Sawyer is a much needed add on D and brings stability. Bryant coming back helps with Petrovsky's departure for the WJC and eventually should allow them some more flexibility up front. Ideally they can load up the top 6 and figure out a third line that can be effective.

Should have got rid of sedley. He is just a pylon out there. Way over rated

 

[Stellar29]

My comment on who is not going to be here next year was a "dig"....of course I know who is not here next year...but I do not beleive the return you would get for any OA is equivalent to the experience of one more playoff season to this young team that is going for it next year...and as far as our 19yr olds...yes we have 5 but are you absolutely sure all will be available next season?? Last thing you want to do is trade any before summer/early fall

There's no meaningful return coming on a Seed or Papais trade and Chenard is more valuable to the current team than any trade return. It's really a moot point talking about offloading them as it doesn't really serve any purpose.

I'm 100% in agreement on the 19 year old situation. You can use the rest of this season to evaluate and help determine who you keep as OAs next season and what your offseason priorities are, what you might target in the import draft etc. Some moves will have to be made to cut to three OAs and boost the draft capital for deadline/in season roster moves as necessary. If you can find 2nd or 3rd rounds picks in those deals then they could be well positioned for a bigger splash next season if they want to go for it. I don't know how reasonable it would be to expect 2nd or 3rd round picks but you never know. Just my two cents.

 

[OHL Prophet]

My comment on who is not going to be here next year was a "dig"....of course I know who is not here next year...but I do not beleive the return you would get for any OA is equivalent to the experience of one more playoff season to this young team that is going for it next year...and as far as our 19yr olds...yes we have 5 but are you absolutely sure all will be available next season?? Last thing you want to do is trade any before summer/early fall

Some good friendly banter on here today. Debate and discussion is an ok thing. I much rather prefer people retorting to something they don't agree with, with some reasoning and counter points.

I like your comments here ^^^^ Chocbox but respond with this. So if it is about gaining that valuable experience for next year. Is it more helpful with a player like #6 to be playing 25-30 mins a night while younger D that will be here next year sit in the stands or on the bench when he won't be here next year? I've always stated that your overage players need to be or should be "big impact" players to be a contender. So if his value on the market is only something like a 5th or 6th round pick as mentioned above, that suggests to me he is not an impact player and how much better is he then the players sitting on the bench or in the stands who could be developing more for next year.

 

[OHL Prophet]

Some good friendly banter on here today. Debate and discussion is an ok thing. I much rather prefer people retorting to something they don't agree with, with some reasoning and counter points.

I like your comments here ^^^^ Chocbox but respond with this. So if it is about gaining that valuable experience for next year. Is it more helpful with a player like #6 to be playing 25-30 mins a night while younger D that will be here next year sit in the stands or on the bench when he won't be here next year? I've always stated that your overage players need to be or should be "big impact" players to be a contender. So if his value on the market is only something like a 5th or 6th round pick as mentioned above, that suggests to me he is not an impact player and how much better is he then the players sitting on the bench or in the stands who could be developing more for next year.

My apologies. I guess my question was actually referring to Stellar29's post in response to Chocbox.

 

[Stellar29]

My apologies. I guess my question was actually referring to Stellar29's post in response to Chocbox.

I think your point would be valid if they weren't trying to win hockey games. If this was a development year then yes, I could see a scenario where you open up more playing time for younger players. In today's roster on a team that's trying to win he's a top 6 D. With Sawyer out he's been playing too much. If they can get Sedley and Sawyer back as the top pair and move Seed back to the second pair I like the D a lot better. Seed doesn't support Sedley in a way he needs to be successful and I think the same could be said for Sedley with Seed. Splitting them up and pairing them with better fits that better support their games gives the team a better chance at success. Seed takes too many penalties for my liking. He's the team leader in PIMS and they're all minor penalties as he doesn't play a physical game. He's getting beat too often and resorting to stick work/clutch and grab instead. If he gets that cleaned up a bit he's a more serviceable player.

I'd like to see the primary D pairs when healthy look something like:
Sawyer - Sedley
Steen - Seed
Uens - Petrovski

If they dress 11F and 7D then Jordan could take D zone draws and PK duties as the 7th D. There's no studs in that D group but I do like what I've seen from Petrovski, especially the last two weeks as he's taken a more assertive role with the offense from the back end as well as taking on PP2 work. Foot speed leaves a little to be desired but he handles the puck well and seems to be making good reads. His 6'3" frame sort of masks that he's only 17 so his best years are still to come.

 

[OHL4Life]

Some good friendly banter on here today. Debate and discussion is an ok thing. I much rather prefer people retorting to something they don't agree with, with some reasoning and counter points.

I like your comments here ^^^^ Chocbox but respond with this. So if it is about gaining that valuable experience for next year. Is it more helpful with a player like #6 to be playing 25-30 mins a night while younger D that will be here next year sit in the stands or on the bench when he won't be here next year? I've always stated that your overage players need to be or should be "big impact" players to be a contender. So if his value on the market is only something like a 5th or 6th round pick as mentioned above, that suggests to me he is not an impact player and how much better is he then the players sitting on the bench or in the stands who could be developing more for next year.

are you 100 percent sure on the ice time. i have a program named instat that gives players ice tmies over the years. its tracked digitally. what you are saying with regards to seed is not accurate with what they have. not even close, they have him at 20;37 average this year.

 

[DCruickshank]

are you 100 percent sure on the ice time. i have a program named instat that gives players ice tmies over the years. its tracked digitally. what you are saying with regards to seed is not accurate with what they have. not even close, they have him at 20;37 average this year.

Thank you...a bunch of us have been saying this about 6 and 9 ice time

 

[KFawcett]

are you 100 percent sure on the ice time. i have a program named instat that gives players ice tmies over the years. its tracked digitally. what you are saying with regards to seed is not accurate with what they have. not even close, they have him at 20;37 average this year.

Thank you is instat something anyone can access? I tried watching Sedley for a few games earlier when people were complaining about ice time but I was writing it down yesterday hand while trying to still watch the game. What I had wrote down was considerably less than what many were claiming he was getting. I realize I was probably off by a bit. A program that tracks it would be phenomenal.

 

[Stellar29]

Brenden Sirizzotti goes from Niagara to Soo for a 23' 8th round pick and a 26' 3rd round pick. I feel if you can grab a player with that kind of production for that price tag or thereabouts the Attack should be all over it. That's not a deal that breaks the bank but would bring some depth that I think they could really use in the forward group.

 

[OHL4Life]

Thank you is instat something anyone can access? I tried watching Sedley for a few games earlier when people were complaining about ice time but I was writing it down yesterday hand while trying to still watch the game. What I had wrote down was considerably less than what many were claiming he was getting. I realize I was probably off by a bit. A program that tracks it would be phenomenal.

its not. i only have access because the team i use to work for got me an account and they havent shut it down yet.

 

[StingUpdates]

Apologies if this was mentioned, but u guys cut ur import Dman? Interesting move.

 

[OSAttackFan88]

How do we have no draft picks? Because our GM gets fleeced in every deal he makes.
Sarnia just got better and now Kitchener just got better. I truly believe that our window is next year and that OS should trade off some assets for some draft picks that we never seem to have. Sedley would net a nice return, same with either 25 or 29 depending who you want here next year as an OA

 

[Stellar29]

Apologies if this was mentioned, but u guys cut ur import Dman? Interesting move.

I don't think there's anything to come of the open import slot. The Attack were about to have 9 healthy rostered D and he would have been the 7th or 8th D on the depth chart as a 19 year old player who won't be back next season. He really struggled early in the year and was starting to pick it up in the last month or so but with healthy bodies returning there's just no room for him anymore.

 

[Sounder76]

What pieces won't be here?

One possibility that COULD happen people, what if Colby gets drafted top five into the NHL and the team chooses to keep him a la Wright or Clarke this year? In that hypothetical, we would not have had him up to this point this season and then he is a lock for World Jrs,, then possibly gets dealt to someone like London or Kitchener as happens EVERY year it seems. Now to me, that could very well occur and would be another excuse and be labelled "beyond our control" I feel. Well actually it is in your control by actually doing something this season while we have the horses on our roster. We just sat and watched five very very good players (Zito, Arcurri, Kyrou, Lavoie and Moore, throw in Haight or Ohtmann too) get moved to contenders this past week that would have created a buzz, not only in the community, but I bet within the dressing room as well. That goes a long way to change the culture in the room, which I think we all can agree we need right now.

Saying NEXT year is our year is getting old with this team in my opinion, and others I have talked to at the rink that know their stuff. Junior hockey is a fluid situation every year, unlike the NHL where teams have much more stable timelines if you follow what I am saying.

Getting old quick and it is not even Chritsmas...the promise this team was showing earlier this year has fizzled out and needs a spark big time Dale! Tell me I am wrong posters...

 

[Stellar29]

One possibility that COULD happen people, what if Colby gets drafted top five into the NHL and the team chooses to keep him a la Wright or Clarke this year? In that hypothetical, we would not have had him up to this point this season and then he is a lock for World Jrs,, then possibly gets dealt to someone like London or Kitchener as happens EVERY year it seems. Now to me, that could very well occur and would be another excuse and be labelled "beyond our control" I feel. Well actually it is in your control by actually doing something this season while we have the horses on our roster. We just sat and watched five very very good players (Zito, Arcurri, Kyrou, Lavoie and Moore, throw in Haight or Ohtmann too) get moved to contenders this past week that would have created a buzz, not only in the community, but I bet within the dressing room as well. That goes a long way to change the culture in the room, which I think we all can agree we need right now.

Saying NEXT year is our year is getting old with this team in my opinion, and others I have talked to at the rink that know their stuff. Junior hockey is a fluid situation every year, unlike the NHL where teams have much more stable timelines if you follow what I am saying.

Getting old quick and it is not even Chritsmas...the promise this team was showing earlier this year has fizzled out and needs a spark big time Dale! Tell me I am wrong posters...

Barlow is a great OHL player. a generational player in Owen Sound, but he's a few steps away from being an NHL ready player. His hands haven't caught up to his skating and the play often dies on his stick rushing up ice. His playmaking still needs improvement in the offensive zone. I think it's fair to say he doesn't drive his line yet and is more of a complimentary player at the moment. There's still room for more physical growth and maturity on his frame that should help him win more 50/50 puck battles. Those are all things that can be worked on and polished at the OHL level next season. Most draft projections have him rated in the 10-20 range with a few having him just inside the top 10. I wouldn't be shocked if he hung around and played a cup of coffee in the NHL before coming back to the Attack next season but it would take significant improvement in his game over the rest of the season and offseason for him to stick in the NHL at 18. Very few players transition directly to the NHL full time post draft without needing time in the minors.

I would think it's more likely that at age 19 he could be a full time NHL player depending on who drafts him and their depth chart and how his game improves moving forward. Young players on ELC contracts are attractive with the tight salary cap if they can be contributors at that level. Barlow has a lot of tools beyond his offensive game that would certainly help his case as a role player.

I think it would be a pretty reasonable expectation that he's back with the Attack next season.

 

[OHL4Life]

Barlow is a great OHL player. a generational player in Owen Sound, but he's a few steps away from being an NHL ready player. His hands haven't caught up to his skating and the play often dies on his stick rushing up ice. His playmaking still needs improvement in the offensive zone. I think it's fair to say he doesn't drive his line yet and is more of a complimentary player at the moment. There's still room for more physical growth and maturity on his frame that should help him win more 50/50 puck battles. Those are all things that can be worked on and polished at the OHL level next season. Most draft projections have him rated in the 10-20 range with a few having him just inside the top 10. I wouldn't be shocked if he hung around and played a cup of coffee in the NHL before coming back to the Attack next season but it would take significant improvement in his game over the rest of the season and offseason for him to stick in the NHL at 18. Very few players transition directly to the NHL full time post draft without needing time in the minors.

I would think it's more likely that at age 19 he could be a full time NHL player depending on who drafts him and their depth chart and how his game improves moving forward. Young players on ELC contracts are attractive with the tight salary cap if they can be contributors at that level. Barlow has a lot of tools beyond his offensive game that would certainly help his case as a role player.

I think it would be a pretty reasonable expectation that he's back with the Attack next season.

i dont think youd see many guys go 5-10 that stick in the ohl truly at 18, its always 19 year olds that stick, which clark is.

if owen sound goes 'all in' this year, they are killing the true go for it year next year, and imagine how much bitching would happen then.

 

[OSAttackFan88]

Please for the love of god Dale bring George back up.

 

[OSAttackFan88]

i dont think youd see many guys go 5-10 that stick in the ohl truly at 18, its always 19 year olds that stick, which clark is.

if owen sound goes 'all in' this year, they are killing the true go for it year next year, and imagine how much bitching would happen then.

Maybe we aren’t as good as we once thought.. we are getting are our asses kicked in London tonight

 

[Millpond]

Finally !
Papais breaks the goosegg.

And Cormier with his first goal of the OHL career. Bryant tipped it in .

All of a sudden Votary is outplaying Brochu.

 

[OSAttackFan88]

Finally !
Papais breaks the goosegg.

And Cormier with his first goal of the OHL career. Bryant tipped it in .

All of a sudden Votary is outplaying Brochu.

Brochu out played Chenard and that is the difference of the game..

 

[HLLYWD99]

WTH happened to this team?

 

[Noofgoof]

Well todays a new day.. lets right the ship and start with a win against Windsor. No easy task but hopefully we can start to turn it around.

 

[AttackSound]

Well todays a new day.. lets right the ship and start with a win against Windsor. No easy task but hopefully we can start to turn it around.

Close out the home half of the first portion of the season on a high note.

Not an easy task, no doubt but no time like an early holiday gift then 2 points before the holiday freeze.

 

[KFawcett]

WTH happened to this team?

I've been asking myself the same question for awhile. To quote Ryan McGill your never as good as your high but your not as bad as your low but this is crazy. I don't have any answers but I'm afraid there is something strangely wrong in Attackland. The powers that be need to figure it out and deal with it.If we need to move players out to start preparation for next year so be it. I'm not 100% sure that this is a player issue but something has to be done here. We are on a 6 game losing streak after tonight(hopefully the boys prove me wrong) but in pretty much every game if we played more than 5-10 minutes of hockey we are at least 4w 2l in that stretch and probanly not having this discussion.