Owen Sound Attack 2022-23 Season Thread

[OSAttackFan88]

Sophomore jinx is a thing… 37,18,11 don’t look the same from last season.

 

[OSAttackFan88]

Sophomore jinx is a thing… 37,18,11 don’t look the same from last season.

39*

 

[Noofgoof]

39*

What an absolute stinker from the Aud!

 

[HLLYWD99]

Votary deserved better.

 

[Millpond]

Votary deserved better.

Not a lot of support for him .

 

[OHL Prophet]

Well. In fear of offending PensFan101 I wont rag on any particular players directly - although I want to. Lol. If this is not a coaching dilemma at this point -which I have been alluding to - then DD might be have to be put on notice bc he is not holding them accountable Early power play chance when game is still close and we give up 3 short handed chances against without getting a shot on net ourselves with yet again the same personal and brutal entry attempts, Change the entry or the personal already. Its almost a year and a half now of being the worst PP. We get multiple scoring chances while short handed and get one after one was disallowed. Can we start declining the penalty like football and agree to go shorthanded?

 

[AttackSound]

Some nights just end up being one of those nights where the bounces don't go your way.

Tonight was definitely one of those nights.

In defense of CV out of the 7 goals the Rangers got tonight the 1st, 4th, and 7th ones were definitely ones CV would like to have back.

All the others were ones that were either rebounds or funky bounces that were going to be hard for any goalie to recover from the initial shots. And you can't blame the tender for the effort on those sometimes they can do everything in their capabilities and the puck just doesn't go the way they want it too.



Now time for short memories and move on to tomorrow against Sarnia.

 

[Bear in the Woods]

I have tried to stay out of the goaltending conversation, as I too have had the view from the blue ice and can sympathize with the complexities of the job. But this situation has not shown any improvement year over year.

 

[AttackBeacher]

I remember during the 15 games in a row winning streak a few years back Ryan McGill said that you're never as bad as you at your lowest and your never as good as you are at your highest. I saw him randomly at a restaurant and he felt they were playing awful towards the end of that little run, despite all the hype.

I think that rings true this morning. Same team minus Sawyer, plus Barlow who dominated Kingston 7/10 days ago was on the ice last night. Sometimes the kids just don't have it.

Tonight will be an interesting watch.

I have tried to stay out of the goaltending conversation, as I too have had the view from the blue ice and can sympathize with the complexities of the job. But this situation has not shown any improvement year over year.


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Doesn't the noise around Votary remind you about the noise around Guzda a bit? Guzda was much better, but he was the same, all over the crease and lacking in structure. By the time he was 20, he was lights out. Im sure if he played at 19, he would have been as well. I can't see the images but im sure I can find a single image for any player that makes them look like they have not progressed.

Like any position, goalies take time, more then any position really. Look at the kid we are playing tonight. He's a top 10 OHL pick, NHL pick and projected to be in the Canada U20 discussion, and still hasn't had a .900 save in the OHL and is currently at .870.

 

[Millpond]

I remember during the 15 games in a row winning streak a few years back Ryan McGill said that you're never as bad as you at your lowest and your never as good as you are at your highest. I saw him randomly at a restaurant and he felt they were playing awful towards the end of that little run, despite all the hype.

I think that rings true this morning. Same team minus Sawyer, plus Barlow who dominated Kingston 7/10 days ago was on the ice last night. Sometimes the kids just don't have it.

Tonight will be an interesting watch.



Doesn't the noise around Votary remind you about the noise around Guzda a bit? Guzda was much better, but he was the same, all over the crease and lacking in structure. By the time he was 20, he was lights out. Im sure if he played at 19, he would have been as well. I can't see the images but im sure I can find a single image for any player that makes them look like they have not progressed.

Like any position, goalies take time, more then any position really. Look at the kid we are playing tonight. He's a top 10 OHL pick, NHL pick and projected to be in the Canada U20 discussion, and still hasn't had a .900 save in the OHL and is currently at .870.

FWIW, when Chenard or George play, the team averages almost 5 goals a game.

When Votary plays, it's under two .

Go figure.

 

[KFawcett]

I remember during the 15 games in a row winning streak a few years back Ryan McGill said that you're never as bad as you at your lowest and your never as good as you are at your highest. I saw him randomly at a restaurant and he felt they were playing awful towards the end of that little run, despite all the hype.

I think that rings true this morning. Same team minus Sawyer, plus Barlow who dominated Kingston 7/10 days ago was on the ice last night. Sometimes the kids just don't have it.

Tonight will be an interesting watch.



Doesn't the noise around Votary remind you about the noise around Guzda a bit? Guzda was much better, but he was the same, all over the crease and lacking in structure. By the time he was 20, he was lights out. Im sure if he played at 19, he would have been as well. I can't see the images but im sure I can find a single image for any player that makes them look like they have not progressed.

Like any position, goalies take time, more then any position really. Look at the kid we are playing tonight. He's a top 10 OHL pick, NHL pick and projected to be in the Canada U20 discussion, and still hasn't had a .900 save in the OHL and is currently at .870.

I agree Beacher. I have said for many years most goalies only have 2 solid years 19 and O/A.Up until that point they are usually up and down like you know what.It's also interesting the post that the team scores under 2 with Votary in net. You won't win many games scoring 2 or less just sayin. Anyway IMHO we were due for a whooping it happens lol. The key is the response tonight.

 

[Stellar29]

We're nearing the quarter mark of the season and the one consistent element to the Attack game is the slow starts. They get hammered early far too frequently and often sleep walk through the opening 20 minutes. The coaching staff and the leadership group in the locker room need to make sure they are ready to start on time.

The team is going to lose games but how you lose is important. Low effort blow outs like last night shouldn't happen, especially when the roster is rested. I don't want to take anything away from Kitchener as they were clearly the better team and earned that win but that was far from Owen Sound's best.

 

[AttackBeacher]

We're nearing the quarter mark of the season and the one consistent element to the Attack game is the slow starts. They get hammered early far too frequently and often sleep walk through the opening 20 minutes. The coaching staff and the leadership group in the locker room need to make sure they are ready to start on time.

The team is going to lose games but how you lose is important. Low effort blow outs like last night shouldn't happen, especially when the roster is rested. I don't want to take anything away from Kitchener as they were clearly the better team and earned that win but that was far from Owen Sound's best.

Great call,

We can debate the quality of aspects of the team, the quality of certain players, but we all can agree, for whatever reason it takes this group lots of time to get going.

 

[KFawcett]

We're nearing the quarter mark of the season and the one consistent element to the Attack game is the slow starts. They get hammered early far too frequently and often sleep walk through the opening 20 minutes. The coaching staff and the leadership group in the locker room need to make sure they are ready to start on time.

The team is going to lose games but how you lose is important. Low effort blow outs like last night shouldn't happen, especially when the roster is rested. I don't want to take anything away from Kitchener as they were clearly the better team and earned that win but that was far from Owen Sound's best.

This has concerned me for awhile I thought it was just me. I'm big on getting the early start. I'm glad to see others are concerned about this.

 

[Stellar29]

This has concerned me for awhile I thought it was just me. I'm big on getting the early start. I'm glad to see others are concerned about this.

It's so tough to watch because we typically fall behind and then you're chasing the game all night. There's a few games where they just never get into it. The Mississauga game comes to mind, 14 shots on net all game. The back to back in Erie, flat opening 20 minutes and then played well the final 40 minutes in game 1, Sunday game they play flat the whole game. Saturday against London, open flat and never really got into the game even with the short handed goal. Started flat last night and never put a shot on net until twelve minutes into the game. I thought Votary opened strong with some big saves, especially on the PK, that might get them going but just zero push back. Just too many times where the team seems disengaged.

 

[OSAttackFan88]

So the team obviously plays better with George in net, nothing against votary but I’m playing the kid more often moving forward.

 

[AttackBeacher]

So the team obviously plays better with George in net, nothing against votary but I’m playing the kid more often moving forward.

They played the exact same way with Votary in net against George last Sunday

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I think it has much more to do with them losing 7-1 the previous night then anything.

 

[OSAttackFan88]

They played the exact same way with Votary in net against George last Sunday

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I think it has much more to do with them losing 7-1 the previous night then anything.

I personally think George is the better goalie of the two.. the kid is 3-0. He looks like he belongs in the net, until he has a stinker they should give him more starts. I don’t know what else to say, I’d rather have him in net over Votary at this point right now.

 

[Noofgoof]

I personally think George is the better goalie of the two.. the kid is 3-0. He looks like he belongs in the net, until he has a stinker they should give him more starts. I don’t know what else to say, I’d rather have him in net over Votary at this point right now.

Again the team scores more then 5 goals with a goalie other then Votary in net.. and allows less then 30 shots.. Sarnia is a very banged up team. I know we have some elements missing but this is a game we had no business losing and the boys didn't disappoint.. That being said George has looked great!! It sucked to see the hat trick taken away from Deni he had a fantastic game

 

[PensFan101]

So sad for Goure losing out on his hat trick, but he's playing fantastic hockey and him taking the next step forward this season is really, really going to boost this team's chances. He knows he's playing for a professional opportunity next season and given our impending glut of great 2003 players next year, I think the team benefits a ton from him playing his way out of the OHL this season, and being a star this year.

George should also give the team a ton of optimism for the future. He's going to be one of the best in the league at 19/20.

As for the earlier debate about criticisms and the team's weaknesses, I just want to clarify that there's nothing wrong with drawing criticism against this team, especially where this team really is weak (I think coaching is a big problem for this team - the slow starts and the awful powerplay are largely coaching issues that could be addressed far easier than any trades). I will just never understand ragging on teenagers, especially ones that contribute a lot of positives to the team despite their own weaknesses.

I still think this team needs an impact defenceman if they want to be serious contenders this season. Sawyer is in the good, but not great category and fits the identity of the team well, and Schweingruber is at least an OHL caliber defender who should have more to give as he adapts this season, but the defence is lacking star quality. That's not a route the team has explored in trade since the infamous Ceci trade, but it's the one area that I think could benefit the roster the most.

 

[Millpond]

So sad for Goure losing out on his hat trick, but he's playing fantastic hockey and him taking the next step forward this season is really, really going to boost this team's chances. He knows he's playing for a professional opportunity next season and given our impending glut of great 2003 players next year, I think the team benefits a ton from him playing his way out of the OHL this season, and being a star this year.

George should also give the team a ton of optimism for the future. He's going to be one of the best in the league at 19/20.

As for the earlier debate about criticisms and the team's weaknesses, I just want to clarify that there's nothing wrong with drawing criticism against this team, especially where this team really is weak (I think coaching is a big problem for this team - the slow starts and the awful powerplay are largely coaching issues that could be addressed far easier than any trades). I will just never understand ragging on teenagers, especially ones that contribute a lot of positives to the team despite their own weaknesses.

I still think this team needs an impact defenceman if they want to be serious contenders this season. Sawyer is in the good, but not great category and fits the identity of the team well, and Schweingruber is at least an OHL caliber defender who should have more to give as he adapts this season, but the defence is lacking star quality. That's not a route the team has explored in trade since the infamous Ceci trade, but it's the one area that I think could benefit the roster the most.

Deni is one player who has impressed so far this season .
Happy for him .

I think DD said at the start of the season, "I like our defence, I don't love it ". It wouldn't be surprising if he addresses this as the season moves on . As we all know, he prefers to make his move before the trade deadline frenzy. I don't see it as a priority now. We will have a better idea of the team in a month from now .

Teddy Sawyer is a solid addition.

I'd say at this point they are a work in progress.

Slow starts and powerplay are two of the top priorities right now . I'd bet if we are aware of it so too are the coaches .

I like the fact they had a players -only meeting after the Rangers loss, and responded with a nice comeback game .

 

[AttackBeacher]

I personally think George is the better goalie of the two.. the kid is 3-0. He looks like he belongs in the net, until he has a stinker they should give him more starts. I don’t know what else to say, I’d rather have him in net over Votary at this point right now.

Your first statment and your second statement are very different.

The first statement was incorrect, stating that the team plays different infront of George, they have played the same way for Votary in the past. They have had more poor games with Votary in net, but thats also because Votary has played alot more.

Your second statment is totally fair, you can have whatever opinion you wish.

So sad for Goure losing out on his hat trick, but he's playing fantastic hockey and him taking the next step forward this season is really, really going to boost this team's chances. He knows he's playing for a professional opportunity next season and given our impending glut of great 2003 players next year, I think the team benefits a ton from him playing his way out of the OHL this season, and being a star this year.

George should also give the team a ton of optimism for the future. He's going to be one of the best in the league at 19/20.

As for the earlier debate about criticisms and the team's weaknesses, I just want to clarify that there's nothing wrong with drawing criticism against this team, especially where this team really is weak (I think coaching is a big problem for this team - the slow starts and the awful powerplay are largely coaching issues that could be addressed far easier than any trades). I will just never understand ragging on teenagers, especially ones that contribute a lot of positives to the team despite their own weaknesses.

I still think this team needs an impact defenceman if they want to be serious contenders this season. Sawyer is in the good, but not great category and fits the identity of the team well, and Schweingruber is at least an OHL caliber defender who should have more to give as he adapts this season, but the defence is lacking star quality. That's not a route the team has explored in trade since the infamous Ceci trade, but it's the one area that I think could benefit the roster the most.

Every team is deserving of critisizm and most are worth praise (most) lol. Nothing wrong with that. I dislike the random critisism when it flies in the face of facts, or when its akin to bullying, but im too sure anyone is at that level on here.

Agree, 1 defenceman is needed. Im not as big of a fan of 10 as some but he can play in the league.

 

[HockeyPops]

Goal support is a very real thing for goalies.
George has played 2.5 games. While he has been in net, Attack have scored 14 goals, or ~ 5.60 goals per game.
Votary has played 6.5 games. While he has been in net, Attack have scored 14 goals, or ~ 2.15 goals per game.

 

[Stellar29]

Your first statment and your second statement are very different.

The first statement was incorrect, stating that the team plays different infront of George, they have played the same way for Votary in the past. They have had more poor games with Votary in net, but thats also because Votary has played alot more.

Your second statment is totally fair, you can have whatever opinion you wish.


Every team is deserving of critisizm and most are worth praise (most) lol. Nothing wrong with that. I dislike the random critisism when it flies in the face of facts, or when its akin to bullying, but im too sure anyone is at that level on here.

Agree, 1 defenceman is needed. Im not as big of a fan of 10 as some but he can play in the league.

Schweingruber hasn't had a great start to the year but he seems to be coming on of late. He's still not playing very much but he's showed some intelligence with some of his reads to pick off some pucks and turn up ice quickly into offense. Still too early to say what exactly you have in him at this point but he's at least making progress.

 

[AttackBeacher]

Schweingruber hasn't had a great start to the year but he seems to be coming on of late. He's still not playing very much but he's showed some intelligence with some of his reads to pick off some pucks and turn up ice quickly into offense. Still too early to say what exactly you have in him at this point but he's at least making progress.

I think its a bit hard to be patient when he is 19 and an import is all. If he was 17 it be a much different discussion.