Prospect Info: Owen Beck

[Adam Michaels]

Aight... but Beck would get an ELC eventually even if he was putrid.

If he was putrid, they wouldn't sign him to an ELC out of camp. They'd wait to see how his year goes first.

I mean, sure they all have to earn their contracts. But, one is a second round pick who's still under control by the organization once he leaves the training camp and heads back to the OHL. Whereas the other one was a free agent if he didn't get signed. They aren't going to be in a rush to sign Beck, especially if they don't plan on having him play NHL games. They're totally different cases. As Belial said, Beck would probably still be signed even if he sucked donkey dick.

He wouldn't be signed if he sucked donkey dick.

 

[Belial]

If he was putrid, they wouldn't sign him to an ELC out of camp. They'd wait to see how his year goes first.

Beck is basically a first rounder! Come on AM....

 

[Adam Michaels]

Beck is basically a first rounder! Come on AM....

Yes but if he is putrid, they ain't signing him after this camp. They'll wait to see how his season goes first.

 

[BaseballCoach]

My guess is two years. One more in the OHL, followed by a year in Laval. But it wouldn't surprise me if he makes the jump earlier.

Not possible. 19 year olds can play in the AHL only if they had 4 years already in the CHL. Beck will have had two.

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

Yes but if he is putrid, they ain't signing him after this camp. They'll wait to see how his season goes first.

Obviously. You're taking things too literally, especially my other comment. The point was simply that they won't be in a rush to sign Beck and his situation is totally different from Jackeye.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Obviously. You're taking things too literally, especially my other comment. The point was simply that they won't be in a rush to sign Beck and his situation is totally different from Jackeye.

You're missing the point I'm making.

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

You're missing the point I'm making.

Your ''point'' doesn't make sense. Even if Beck stands out, he won't play in the NHL this year. They won't give him a look beyond training camp and he has no chance of making the team with the plethora of forwards we already have. He's OHL bound, it's inevitable. They have full control of his contract and his rights, which wasn't the case for Arber. Why would they sign a contract right now and where is the comparison with Jackeye's situation?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Your ''point'' doesn't make sense. Even if Beck stands out, he won't play in the NHL this year. They won't give him a look beyond training camp and he has no chance of making the team with the plethora of forwards we already have. He's OHL bound, it's inevitable. They have full control of his contract and his rights, which wasn't the case for Arber. Why would they sign a contract right now and where is the comparison with Jackeye's situation?

It's okay. Still not getting what I was saying.

 

[Belial]

You're missing the point I'm making.

This got so far apparently while there was no need for it...

 

[Scriptor]

That's true, we really didn't have a chance to do that properly in the past.

Having him in the OHL an extra year wouldn't hurt him. I just see his game as being very mature.

You have to consider that he missed an entire year of development because of COVID

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

It's okay. Still not getting what I was saying.

You're spewing nonsense. Which is why you're responding with one-sentenced arguments. Elaborate on your supposed point or just accept that it makes zero sense to compare the contractual situations of a 33rd overall pick versus that of an undrafted free agent.

 

[Scriptor]

I mean, sure they all have to earn their contracts. But, one is a second round pick who's still under control by the organization once he leaves the training camp and heads back to the OHL. Whereas the other one was a free agent if he didn't get signed. They aren't going to be in a rush to sign Beck, especially if they don't plan on having him play NHL games. They're totally different cases. As Belial said, Beck would probably still be signed even if he sucked donkey dick.

anybody who goes there is definitely courageous, if nothing else.

 

[Adam Michaels]

You're spewing nonsense. Which is why you're responding with one-sentenced arguments. Elaborate on your supposed point or just accept that it makes zero sense to compare the contractual situations of a 33rd overall pick versus that of an undrafted free agent.

I explained what I was saying. You not getting it is on you.

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

I explained what I was saying. You not getting it is on you.

Not really, your posts are as clear as mud. If you wanted to say that Beck's terrific play might lead him to getting signed to his ELC after camp, then say that. That is a legitimate comment. Although when you say that ''It reminds me of Xhekaj last year. We all saw how good he was at the rookie games. And then we saw he was impressing at the main camp and preseason. And many of us knew he would be signed to an ELC'', that makes your post lose all common sense.

I'll explain it again since you don't seem to be getting it. If they don't sign Arber last year, they lose him. If they don't sign Beck after camp it doesn't f***ing matter, because he'll still be under the org's control. I really don't understand what's so hard to grasp about this. What criterion has better predictive power in who gets signed afterwards: that an undrafted FA dominates in camp, or that a drafted player dominates in camp. In which situation does the hockey club HAVE to sign the player? That's only in the undrafted FA's case.

This is going too far for a simple, idiotic argument. But I had to write this last post. By saying this I'm not insinuating or going to bat that Beck won't be signed after camp. He might or he might not. But it's not a foregone conclusion as was Jackeye's last year.

 

[Doublechin]

Said it right after he was drafted - IMO Beck has the potential to be one of the best players drafted in the entire cuvée - I think he’s one of “those” who slipped through the cracks because of Covid.

Seems to have a ROR type game.

He was the highest value pick for me. I would have flirted with picking him as of pick 14ish

 

[Adam Michaels]

Not really, your posts are as clear as mud. If you wanted to say that Beck's terrific play might lead him to getting signed to his ELC after camp, then say that. That is a legitimate comment. Although when you say that ''It reminds me of Xhekaj last year. We all saw how good he was at the rookie games. And then we saw he was impressing at the main camp and preseason. And many of us knew he would be signed to an ELC'', that makes your post lose all common sense.

I'll explain it again since you don't seem to be getting it. If they don't sign Arber last year, they lose him. If they don't sign Beck after camp it doesn't f***ing matter, because he'll still be under the org's control. I really don't understand what's so hard to grasp about this. What criterion has better predictive power in who gets signed afterwards: that an undrafted FA dominates in camp, or that a drafted player dominates in camp. In which situation does the hockey club HAVE to sign the player? That's only in the undrafted FA's case.

This is going too far for a simple, idiotic argument. But I had to write this last post. By saying this I'm not insinuating or going to bat that Beck won't be signed after camp. He might or he might not. But it's not a foregone conclusion as was Jackeye's last year.

I hope you enjoyed writing that because I ain't reading it. I'm done trying to explain what I was saying.

 

[BLONG7]

This kid could have gone in the first round.............a great find here guys.

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

I hope you enjoyed writing that because I ain't reading it. I'm done trying to explain what I was saying.

Your explanations were horrendous.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Your explanations were horrendous.

No. It escaped you.

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

No. It escaped you.

Then f***ing elaborate. You refuse to see how dissimilar the two situations are, and yet you're adamant about having made your point. I would wager that in the end you realize how utterly idiotic it was to compare both cases in terms of contracts, and now you're doubling down on your position. Which is normal, it's a defense mechanism.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Then f***ing elaborate. You refuse to see how dissimilar the two situations are, and yet you're adamant about having made your point. I would wager that in the end you realize how utterly idiotic it was to compare both cases in terms of contracts, and now you're doubling down on your position. Which is normal, it's a defense mechanism.

You're trying to be so smart, you're not getting the simplicity of what I was saying.

 

[morhilane]

This kid could have gone in the first round.............a great find here guys.

I'm still surprised he wasn't. I was expecting him to be taken in the mid-20s.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'm still surprised he wasn't. I was expecting him to be taken in the mid-20s.

Toronto wanted him but thought they could get him when trading back with Chicago to get rid of Mrazek's money.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I'm still surprised he wasn't. I was expecting him to be taken in the mid-20s.

In the draft video, you hear the scouts talk about Beck as a possible pick at 26. They obviously ended up having Mesar ahead on their list. But I bet they were thrilled seeing Beck not taken by anyone else in the 1st.

Toronto wanted him but thought they could get him when trading back with Chicago to get rid of Mrazek's money.

I didn't know that.

Also, according to Bettman, it's Mzarek, not Mrazek. That's how he pronounced his name 2-3 times when he announced the trade.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Toronto wanted him but thought they could get him when trading back with Chicago to get rid of Mrazek's money.

Where did you read/hear that ?