Ovechkin top 10 player of all time?

[JasonRoseEh]

Yes he was dominant and had a great peak but it sounds like you are looking at his teammates for o ly a couple of seasons at best here.

Ovechkin has had some pretty good teammates despite the efforts by some to say otherwise.

In the playoffs the Caps depth dried up annually scoring wise and their inability to defend at the blue line was a constant achilles heel. Oh, and their goaltenders were constantly outplayed, but sure it's Ovechkins shortcomings.

 

[PaulD]

Goal scoring machine.

Averages 40 assists a season. Has not hit 40 in 10 years. Playing full powerplays, 3 on 3, first line, with star line mates.

No. OV is not top 10 All Time

 

[PaulD]

In the playoffs the Caps depth dried up annually scoring wise and their inability to defend at the blue line was a constant achilles heel. Oh, and their goaltenders were constantly outplayed, but sure it's Ovechkins shortcomings.

Some are able to raise their level of play come play off time.
OV was not known as one of those players. For 10 years.
But you are right, the play off defeats were a collective Capitals problem. They were good, but never great at play off hockey.

 

[PaulD]

No, Ovechkin is objectively close to the top 10 of all time players if not there now by the measuring stick of people that matter in hockey. The notion he isn't based on the barometers we use for individual accolades and records is riduclous.

Or could be there are 10 players that can legitimately be picked ahead of him.

That is not an insult to OV or your hockey IQ buddy. Just due credit and fact on the other 10.

 

[PaulD]

Which record? Gretzky's 1016 NHL goals, including playoffs? Or his 1072 professional goals? I think Ovechkin may very well end up being the greatest goal scorer of all time, especially by notching 895 in this era, but best player, no way. Gretzky has more assists alone than anyone else has points, and was +520 for his career even with a broken back in the Dead Puck Era. He is eternally #1.

OV has 18 assists so far this season.

2 in his last 15 games.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Some are able to raise their level of play come play off time.
OV was not known as one of those players. For 10 years.

That may be true - among people who know nothing about hockey.

But here in real life Ovechkin has been by far the best playoff performer on his own team, has the highest playoff GPG, the third highest playoff PPG, and is arguably the best playoff performer of this generation on a per game basis.

 

[PaulD]

My top 10

Mario, Orr, Gretz, Richard, Howe, Crosby, Lidstrom, Lafleur, Jagr, Bourque, McDavid.

Never saw Rocket Richard play . But believe all the acclaim.

 

[Midnight Judges]

OV has 18 assists so far this season.

2 in his last 15 games.

Ovie would have more assists in that time frame had he not also been the goal scorer. But the goal scorer cannot get the secondary assist even if he makes the pass to the primary assister - which Ovie has done several times.

If Ovechkin was a lesser player he'd have more secondary assists in that time frame, and you would rate him higher? That's just plain stupid.

 

[PaulD]

That may be true - among people who know nothing about hockey.

But here in real life Ovechkin has been by far the best playoff performer on his own team, has the highest playoff GPG, the third highest playoff PPG, and is arguably the best playoff performer of this generation on a per game basis.

Yes and we have the play off games. The eye test counts. Seem the Caps eliminated many times where i could barely find OV on the ice for long stretches.
But sure, his ppg average is good. As are all the top 10 players I would put ahead of him.

 

[PaulD]

Ovie would have more assists in that time frame had he not also been the goal scorer. But the goal scorer cannot get the secondary assist even if he makes the pass to the primary assister - which Ovie has done several times.

If Ovechkin was a lesser player he'd have more secondary assists in that time frame, and you would rate him higher? That's just plain stupid.

This aint soccer.

OV is top 20.

Does not make my top 10. He makes yours . I get it.

Cheers

 

[filinski77]

Some are able to raise their level of play come play off time.
OV was not known as one of those players. For 10 years.
But you are right, the play off defeats were a collective Capitals problem. They were good, but never great at play off hockey.

Crosby	GP	G	G/GP	P	P/GP
RS	980	460	0.47	1260	1.29
PO	164	66	0.40	186	1.13
% Decrease			14%		12%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Ovechkin	GP	G	G/GP	P	P/GP
RS	1148	703	0.61	1274	1.11
PO	128	65	0.51	126	0.98
% Decrease			17%		11%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Seems to me that Ovechkin and Crosby both lower their level of play come play-off time, by roughly the same amount. Not saying you specifically are, but there is no basis for claiming that it was Ovi's fault for the capitals repeated playoff failures.

 

[filinski77]

My top 10

Mario, Orr, Gretz, Richard, Howe, Crosby, Lidstrom, Lafleur, Jagr, Bourque, McDavid.

Never saw Rocket Richard play . But believe all the acclaim.

This is wildly interesting, and alone is enough to know that your opinion on the top 10 all time is nonsense anyways

 

[PaulD]

Crosby	GP	G	G/GP	P	P/GP
RS	980	460	0.47	1260	1.29
PO	164	66	0.40	186	1.13
% Decrease			14%		12%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Ovechkin	GP	G	G/GP	P	P/GP
RS	1148	703	0.61	1274	1.11
PO	128	65	0.51	126	0.98
% Decrease			17%		11%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Seems to me that Ovechkin and Crosby both lower their level of play come play-off time, by roughly the same amount. Not saying you specifically are, but there is no basis for claiming that it was Ovi's fault for the capitals repeated playoff failures.

So you disagree with me.

Got ya.

Ill take Crosbys rings, gold medals, world juniors , as well the head to head play off series he played against OV and came out on top almost every time.

I think OV is great....Crosby is even better.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So you disagree with me.

Got ya.

Ill take Crosbys rings, gold medals, world juniors , as well the head to head play off series he played against OV and came out on top almost every time.

I think OV is great....Crosby is even better.

You seem very insecure haha. While secondary assist Crosby racks up meaningless assists, OV is going to be the greatest goal scorer of all time. Get used to it bud.

OV>>>>>Crosby AINEC

 

[4thTierSport]

Well, I forgot to check with you.

Then I could have yours.

what the f*** do you know

Probably knows enough to say McDavid as a top 10 right now is absolute stupidity.

 

[filinski77]

So you disagree with me.

Got ya.

Ill take Crosbys rings, gold medals, world juniors , as well the head to head play off series he played against OV and came out on top almost every time.

I think OV is great....Crosby is even better.

Well of course I disagree. You said that some players step up in the playoffs, whereas the facts are that Crosby and Ovechkin have similar reduction in production in the playoffs. So unless you are willing to say that Crosby doesn't step up, then I would say your opinion on Ovi is incorrect.

 

[filinski77]

Probably knows enough to say McDavid as a top 10 right now is absolute stupidity.

100%, maybe I don't know everything, but McDavid has not even hit Ovechkin's 3 year peak, let alone all the other awards Ovi has received since then. Putting McDavid in the top 10 is 100% biased and based off of feelings with no real reason.

At this point he's just trolling and providing little substantive reasoning for anything he's saying. No more arguments from me with that.

 

[4thTierSport]

100%, maybe I don't know everything, but McDavid has not even hit Ovechkin's 3 year peak, let alone all the other awards Ovi has received since then. Putting McDavid in the top 10 is 100% biased and based off of feelings with no real reason.

At this point he's just trolling and providing little substantive reasoning for anything he's saying. No more arguments from me with that.

Yup, great player but just a young career. Plus, he might not even be the clear cut best player on his team if you’re being completely honest.

I do find it kind of funny that Ovie’s longevity/goal scoring does slightly take away from what McDavid is doing. The irony is just too good given the context.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Yes and we have the play off games. The eye test counts. Seem the Caps eliminated many times where i could barely find OV on the ice for long stretches.

Ovechkin has been by far the most productive Capitals player in the playoffs. He led them in points and goals 8 times in 11 appearances. He's also the most physical player by a longshot.

Your boy Crosby led the Pens in points 4 times in 12 appearances. McDavid is a zero, but also on your list?!?

Ovie also has a better game 7 PPG than Crosby or Malkin.

I have a hard time reconciling the facts with you claiming to have watched the games.

 

[Khomutov]

I don't know and i don't really care if Ovechkin is Top 10 all time, but funny how the reason now is "to few assists" when couple years ago it was "no Cup".

 

[rfournier103]

If Ovechkin retires with the first; second; or third most goals ever, I think he’s in the top 10 for sure. I don’t see him dislodging any of the Big Four, but he can certainly place as high as 5. I think that is definitely within reach.

 

[Flameshomer]

logged in to laugh at someone claiming that McDavid is a top 10 player. Regardless of your opinion if ovechkin is a top 10 player or not, you can't possibly be daft enough to believe that McDavid > Ovechkin at this point. Talk to us when McDavid scores 550 more goals.

Connor would have to play roughly 1200 more games at his current paces to reach ovechkin, and plays in a higher scoring era of the NHL, 15 seasons. How many of us think that Connor will play until he's 39?

 

[bobbyking]

Ovie would have more assists in that time frame had he not also been the goal scorer. But the goal scorer cannot get the secondary assist even if he makes the pass to the primary assister - which Ovie has done several times.

If Ovechkin was a lesser player he'd have more secondary assists in that time frame, and you would rate him higher? That's just plain stupid.

the majority of ovis are not impressive in the slightest even in his peak most were rebound assists

 

[Mike8]

I don't know and i don't really care if Ovechkin is Top 10 all time, but funny how the reason now is "to few assists" when couple years ago it was "no Cup".

There can be multiple reasons, you realize.

 

[Midnight Judges]

the majority of ovis are not impressive in the slightest even in his peak most were rebound assists

Yeah that’s utterly false.