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That's an opinion. His Conn Smythe trophy as the playoffs MVP is a fact.
Ovechkin top 10 player of all time?
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Which Ovie? 34 years old waiting in his circle or Ovie from 2008-2011 who demolishes everything scoring his 50 - Those are 2 different players but peoples memory is too selective. Dont Forget that Ovie these days conserve himself for his mission -didnt hitin too much and etc
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It’s not an opinion that Ovie isn’t and has never been one dimensional. It is a fact.
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Leads his generation in playoff goals per game (min 60 games), game winning goals, and overtime goals. The margins between Ovie and the next best in these categories range from significant to huge.
Your opinion in based on falsehoods.
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I am not a brodeur fan by any means but how can you say the guy that has the most all time wins and shutouts by a large margin is not even top five all time?Brodeur is not even a Top 5 goalie of all time (Hasek, Roy, Plante, Tretiak, Sawchuk, possibly Hall and Dryden). His 2 goals scored is not enough to put him there.
Good defense in front of him or not, that’s pretty impressive.
That’s like saying Gretzky is not top forward because he played with so many good players it was easy to get points.
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Gretzky holds 64 records, including 8 MVP trophies. Brodeur had good longevity but he only started winning Vezinas after Hasek and Roy were done and never received any serious consideration for the Hart trophy. I live in NJ, I watched Brodeur. He is a fabulous goalie, and being #6 of all time is nothing to sneeze at. It's just the competition is so stiff.
"Wins" is a team category, and I never understood why goalies are credited with it. Otherwise Chris Osgood would be in the HHOF.
Is hitting allowed in this hypothetical 5v5? If we’re playing junior rules then sure this is a fun thing to think about. If we’re playing actual hockey I’m not sure the Crosbys could field a squad by minute 2 with six Ovis flying around out there.
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He's got to be way up there. He certainly is at, or past, Richard and Golden Jet territory. His ability to stay healthy, and be very consistent and durable, has been remarkable.
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Pace always matters to some degree, but the importance and validity of the pace metric increases for the playoffs relative to the regular season because every player in the regular season has the opportunity to play the same number of games, whereas in the playoffs the quantity of games available to a player is largely due to factors outside their control: team talent, performance of the team for the ~ 2/3rds of the game when the player is not on the ice, and coaching.
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Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.
Naw. Ovie will have more playoff goals than Crosby soon enough.
Just like he will soon have more regular season even strength goals than Crosby has total goals.
No need to worry.
Oh come now you’re not this stupid. Of course pace comes into play when you’re discussing playoffs. One player can’t control how many games they’ve played.
Just like it would be foolish to argue Crosby hasn’t had the better playoff career regardless of which has played better in the postseason games they’ve participated in. Because Crosby’s played in more and accomplished more.
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20 years from now, people are gonna look back on his career and realize how amazing it truly was. Top 10? Who knows. Everyone has a different opinion/personal bias.
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When you add postseason games in for both players Ovechkin has played 134 more games than Crosby. Crosby still has 37 more points despite that deficit. That's a ridiculous gap in offensive production.
I look forward to Crosby's additional playoff games being dismissed, while Ovechkin's additional reg season games vs the Southleast division are accepted. You cannot dismiss power play one-timers against the Thrashers in October... you just can't.
I look forward to Crosby's additional playoff games being dismissed, while Ovechkin's additional reg season games vs the Southleast division are accepted. You cannot dismiss power play one-timers against the Thrashers in October... you just can't.
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Anybody who has hockey knowledge knows Crosby is the better player. The stats are there for everyone to see. I’m not fooled by ovechkins goal totals. Though he is having a great season.
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This just in, Jim! A goal scoring winger has more goals than a playmaking center! More news at 10.Naw. Ovie will have more playoff goals than Crosby soon enough.
Just like he will soon have more regular season even strength goals than Crosby has total goals.
No need to worry.
maybe not overall. But the all times goals record is more impressive than anything Crosby has done in his career and it’s not even remotely f***ing close.
IF he gets it, people will look back and realize ovi had the more impressive career
If Ovie Breaks grezky record he becomes a Goat - Guy who dominated this league at hardest thing -scoring goals.
You playmaking ability depends that your temmates skills as yours too. Cup are just team Trophies but outscoring Wayne will make Ovie Legend of this league. He can do individually that nobody cant even think about as possible. That will be fair individual achievment - unlike the number of cups or assists.
You playmaking ability depends that your temmates skills as yours too. Cup are just team Trophies but outscoring Wayne will make Ovie Legend of this league. He can do individually that nobody cant even think about as possible. That will be fair individual achievment - unlike the number of cups or assists.
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Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.
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Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.
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You realize you just created a giant strawman out of nowhere?
also, what year are you in?
Ovechkin has one less goal in the playoffs in 37 less games. I think it’s safe to say he has been a better goal scorer in the playoffs, especially if you count the fact that he has only made it past the second round once.
Random hypothetical:
Player A scores 150 points a year for 10 years, then falls off a cliff and scores 30 for the next 8 before retiring.
Player A retires with 1740 points in 18 seasons.
Player B scores 120 points a year for 10 seasons and then drops to 75 for the next 8 years.
Player B retires with 1800 points in 18 seasons.
In a vacuum with everything else being equal (games played, trophies won, playoff appearances, etc. etc) who was the better player? Who had the better career? The player with the higher peak or the player with the longevity?
Curious people's opinions.
Player A scores 150 points a year for 10 years, then falls off a cliff and scores 30 for the next 8 before retiring.
Player A retires with 1740 points in 18 seasons.
Player B scores 120 points a year for 10 seasons and then drops to 75 for the next 8 years.
Player B retires with 1800 points in 18 seasons.
In a vacuum with everything else being equal (games played, trophies won, playoff appearances, etc. etc) who was the better player? Who had the better career? The player with the higher peak or the player with the longevity?
Curious people's opinions.
