Ovechkin top 10 player of all time?

[COHawk]

If you look at points per game with a minimum of 70 games played, he's lead the League 3 times, IIRC.

Yeah you're right, nice call. Outside of his Art Ross win in 2007/08, he also had the highest points per game in 2008/09 and 2009/10

 

[Vijo Morganstein]

Of course he is. And he may be top 5 at the end of his career.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

No. Crosby is 12th and OV is 22nd.

No.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I just did my list with no goalies. I would think if I included goalies I could not do a list with hasek and not have Roy and Brodeur too.

Hasek won six Vezina trophies. He was so far ahead of the pack that I couldn't justify leaving him off. He was that dominant.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Hasek won six Vezina trophies. He was so far ahead of the pack that I couldn't justify leaving him off. He was that dominant.

I think there's a very real argument for Roy being right there with Hasek or even above him (though I do have Hasek at number one due to the strength of their respective teams). Roy's 3 Vezinas and 3 Conn Smythe trophies have to keep him real close.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Why you make this a hyperbole? I did not say his goal scoring did not have any impact. Of course it had lot of impact. But Crosby has had bigger impact. 1.12 vs 1.29. Crosby is much better but has had worse luck with injuries. Just like Lemieux was better than Messier. Lemieux just had worse luck with missing games.

Crosby makes the optimal decision on ice more often than Ovechkin. Ovechkin spams shots. Not to say it is the worst decision in any situation but even with his great shot sometimes it is not the optimal decision. That is why Crosby has more points per game.

Skating blindly in to Steckle wasn't an optimal decision.

 

[TheAngryHank]

14 goals in 7 games
3 hat tricks in 6 games
3rd player ever with 15 30 goal seasons (Gretzky and Howe are not the other 2)
2nd player ever with 11 40 goal seasons
3rd player ever with 8 50 goal seasons
leading the league at 34 years old
LOL enjoy the ride hockey fans
(and non-fans continue to try to twist stats into a negative narrative I guess? It's amusing seeing posters spending a lot of time with dozens and dozens of posts trying to knock him down)

Luck..
Those numbers most certainly didn't have a positive impact an success. .IMPACT!!!

 

[Spartachat]

He is probably in the top 10 just under Toews.

 

[Yackiberg8]

You forgot to read about the "etc". He's in there with Malkin (and McDavid is on his way)

Hart Trophies: 3-2 for Ovie
Pearsons / Lindsays: 3-3

So they are pretty even on that front.

What separates Ovie to a tier of his own from Crosby/Malkin is his all-time records - 8 Rockets, already 8th all-time in goal scoring, and pretty sure to get 2nd all time, maybe even 1st all time - and that's in the most competetive/even era of the NHL, with the cap, draft, 30-31 teams etc. And his peak was higher. Better peak, better career.

I’ll pick 2 (amongst many others) who id love to see your argument of why you have them ahead of Crosby. Selanne and Sakic, let’s hear your case.

 

[Neutrinos]

2010 was the last time Ovechkin had a 90+ point season

 

[gtrower]

2010 was the last time Ovechkin had a 90+ point season

Neat. He’s also on an 88.5 pace since the start of the 17/18 season (216 games), but we’ll stick with yours as it sounds more dramatic.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Hasek won six Vezina trophies. He was so far ahead of the pack that I couldn't justify leaving him off. He was that dominant.

I have a hard time not keeping Hasek out of the top 5 ever. He was like no one else I've ever seen. There's no goalie i'd rather have or fear to play against more than him.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I’ll pick 2 (amongst many others) who id love to see your argument of why you have them ahead of Crosby. Selanne and Sakic, let’s hear your case.

How is Ovechkin not ahead of Selanne? Sakic is a different story, although I think it’s closer between the two than many would like to admit. Ovechkin has a good argument for Sakic, don’t see how he hasn’t already passed Selanne though.

 

[Yackiberg8]

How is Ovechkin not ahead of Selanne? Sakic is a different story, although I think it’s closer between the two than many would like to admit. Ovechkin has a good argument for Sakic, don’t see how he hasn’t already passed Selanne though.

I have Ovechkin easily ahead of both.

My comment is in reference to the other poster having Selanne and Sakic above Crosby on his list.

 

[LokiDog]

It’s feasible Ovie ends his career first in goals and anywhere from 10-15 in total points. I think it’s pretty tough to argue against him. He’s a physical beast, changed his game to be a winner and has the longevity and consistency of a legend. He’s seemingly ageless right now. This could be one of the greatest post 30 goal scoring seasons ever.

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

Skating blindly in to Steckle wasn't an optimal decision.

Neither was whining at the ref rather than bracing for impact and thereby getting a high ankle sprain.

 

[Duffalufagus]

This is, my friends, how you spell "bias."

Bias? I’m not a fan of either team. At all.

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

How is Ovechkin not ahead of Selanne? Sakic is a different story, although I think it’s closer between the two than many would like to admit. Ovechkin has a good argument for Sakic, don’t see how he hasn’t already passed Selanne though.

Better than Teemu, IMHO. Sakic is a different matter. He was an amazing player and is definitely underrated on these boards.

 

[Nick Hansen]

Selanne? He was worse than Ovechkin at basically everything bar speed maybe (when young). The only thing Selanne has on his side is his international resume which is great whilst Ovechkin's well...terrible.

 

[psycat]

He for sure have a case for top 10 player, and greatest goalscorer, of all time but in no way is he going to make it a "big 5".

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

Hasek won six Vezina trophies. He was so far ahead of the pack that I couldn't justify leaving him off. He was that dominant.

Oh I get ya. He was disgusting and if he had longer career he would have probably held the records brodeur has. I am no brodeur fan by any means but ya gotta give the guy his due. He’s the best goalie of all time.
He has the most wins all time, and is 140 wins ahead of Roy in second.

125 shutouts is first by over 20 shutout lead on sawchuk who’s second.

Hasek has two more vezinas then brodeur but Marty has a Stanley cup and conn smythe.

Plus he had two goals! Lol


Actually come to think of, I would put sawchuk ahead of Roy I think.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I have Ovechkin easily ahead of both.

My comment is in reference to the other poster having Selanne and Sakic above Crosby on his list.

Ah I see. Sakic and Crosby is close but I would put Crosby above him. Wouldn’t say by much though.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Better than Teemu, IMHO. Sakic is a different matter. He was an amazing player and is definitely underrated on these boards.

True. Between him and Ovechkin, it’s close IMO but I wouldn’t hate anyone putting Sakic ahead of him.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Oh I get ya. He was disgusting and if he had longer career he would have probably held the records brodeur has. I am no brodeur fan by any means but ya gotta give the guy his due. He’s the best goalie of all time.
He has the most wins all time, and is 140 wins ahead of Roy in second.

125 shutouts is first by over 20 shutout lead on sawchuk who’s second.

Hasek has two more vezinas then brodeur but Marty has a Stanley cup and conn smythe.

Plus he had two goals! Lol


Actually come to think of, I would put sawchuk ahead of Roy I think.

Brodeur didn’t win a conn smythe, although his ‘03 run was in the conversation. I think Hasek did more to stand out, don’t forget what system Marty played for and who was in front of him. Hasek was by far Buffalos best player and carried them year in and year out. But Marty’s career as a whole is hard to ignore

 

[HurricaneFanatic]

Classic HF, trying to find a way to knock down the best scorer to have ever played the game.

No. Ive never knocked him down once. Just stating my opinion. Don't be so thin skinned. At least I had him top 10 all time.