Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[kugelbahn]

Do not understand above post. It says OV is longest-tenured DC athlete and right after that lists two guys with 20 and 21 seasons?

 

[Jericho]

Do not understand above post. It says OV is longest-tenured DC athlete and right after that lists two guys with 20 and 21 seasons?

I think they mean OV is longest tenured active DC athlete, with only two others in history exceeding it.

 

[TJHKY]

https://x.com/OvechkinGoal/status/1709980640358371821?s=20

 

[PaulD]

No one's denying that Bossy is a great goalscorer. You're not really engaging with what I'm saying.

Bossy is a great scorer in the same way Stamkos and Iginla are great goal scorers. But not in the same way Gretzky, Ovechkin and Lemieux are great goal scorers.

It's that simple.

not according to Gretzky

 

[Randyne]

https://x.com/OvechkinGoal/status/1709980640358371821?s=20

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He scored 7 goals in first 2 regular season games and then won the SC.
The sooner the better.

 

[TJHKY]

Season starts Friday night

Ovechkin chasing playoffs this season, will worry about Gretzky record later | NHL.com

Forward 72 goals from all-time mark, but focus is on fighting for Stanley Cup

www.nhl.com

 

[TJHKY]

Ovi first goal

 

[FrozenJagrt]

not according to Gretzky

Gretzky's opinion of other players should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Season starts Friday night

Ovechkin chasing playoffs this season, will worry about Gretzky record later | NHL.com

Forward 72 goals from all-time mark, but focus is on fighting for Stanley Cup

www.nhl.com

I don't understand why any teams have to wait for their first game until 3 days after the season opener, after some teams have even played twice.

On the Ovi subject, I feel pretty confident he gets another 50+ goal season this year. GOAT goal scorer

 

[BallardEra]

Alex Ovechkin's next goal will make him hockey's greatest (era-adjusted) scorer | TSN

Considering the NHL’s ever-shifting scoring climate, it’s Alex Ovechkin’s next goal that should bring hockey immortality. Forget 894. His first goal of the year will give him 925 era-adjusted goals, tying Gordie Howe – not Wayne Gretzky – atop the all-time list.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Alex Ovechkin's next goal will make him hockey's greatest (era-adjusted) scorer | TSN

Considering the NHL’s ever-shifting scoring climate, it’s Alex Ovechkin’s next goal that should bring hockey immortality. Forget 894. His first goal of the year will give him 925 era-adjusted goals, tying Gordie Howe – not Wayne Gretzky – atop the all-time list.

www.tsn.ca

I love when people manipulate charts to exaggerate differences by not setting the graph's floor to 0:

LOOK HOW DIFFERENT IT WAS!

This is one of the first things I teach about in my data visualization courses.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I also quibble with the fact that the TSN author spends a reasonable amount of time talking about why it's important to consider context, then glosses over entirely how these specific adjustments were made to the conclusion that THESE ARE THE ADJUSTED RESULTS AND WERE HANDED DOWN ON STONE TABLETS.

If you don't discuss the methodology, I guess people can't criticize it.

The value of adjustments is also important to discuss - and it depends on what your point is, or "what your goal" is if I wanted to engage in shitty wordplay.

If you want to argue that goals were worth less (on average) in Gretzky's era, sure. I don't know many people (among those educated enough on the topic) who disagree with that. And yet, Gretzky has scored more actual goals than Ovechkin. And yes, nearly every record of any type in any sport is set in favorable conditions.

 

[Regal]

Alex Ovechkin's next goal will make him hockey's greatest (era-adjusted) scorer | TSN

Considering the NHL’s ever-shifting scoring climate, it’s Alex Ovechkin’s next goal that should bring hockey immortality. Forget 894. His first goal of the year will give him 925 era-adjusted goals, tying Gordie Howe – not Wayne Gretzky – atop the all-time list.

www.tsn.ca

Pfft, after last night, Matthews is over 1100! And Boeser over 1300!

 

[Randyne]

Alex Ovechkin's next goal will make him hockey's greatest (era-adjusted) scorer | TSN

Considering the NHL’s ever-shifting scoring climate, it’s Alex Ovechkin’s next goal that should bring hockey immortality. Forget 894. His first goal of the year will give him 925 era-adjusted goals, tying Gordie Howe – not Wayne Gretzky – atop the all-time list.

www.tsn.ca

Thanks, great article. Almost entire summary of many comments here.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I love when people manipulate charts to exaggerate differences by not setting the graph's floor to 0:

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LOOK HOW DIFFERENT IT WAS!

This is one of the first things I teach about in my data visualization courses.

Off topic, but I was recently looking at an investor presentation for a public-traded company. The PDF was full of slides like this - where the company's performance, for a bunch of financial metrics, was slightly better than their peer group. But the graphs were scaled in such a way that it looked like they had by far the better results.

I chose not to invest. It told me that either the company was run by people who didn't understand basic data analysis, or more problematically, they understood it and were actively trying to deceive current/prospective investors. Either way, there are plenty of other options to choose from.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Off topic, but I was recently looking at an investor presentation for a public-traded company. The PDF was full of slides like this - where the company's performance, for a bunch of financial metrics, was slightly better than their peer group. But the graphs were scaled in such a way that it looked like they had by far the better results.

I chose not to invest. It told me that either the company was run by people who didn't understand basic data analysis, or more problematically, they understood it and were actively trying to deceive current/prospective investors. Either way, there are plenty of other options to choose from.

100% on board with this - at this point, if you're displaying stuff to investors you know what you're doing.

I've been in the room on shareholder presentations regarding vendor ROI claims, and I've simultaneously wanted to walk out immediately and stick around to ask questions.

 

[PaulD]

Gretzky's opinion of other players should be taken with a grain of salt.

Fie sure. Same with we fans on HFB

 

[TJHKY]

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Finally! Hopefully the floodgates open now. Still think he hits 40-50

 

[TJHKY]

 

[kaiser matias]

It's both surprising, and not at all, that he's scored 1/10th of all Caps powerplay goals in history.

 

[ovikovy817]

Now the season can start.

He has another milestone with that goal
More goals scored on Tuesdays : 146th (2nd Trottier 145)

+

He played his first game against Woll. So he is the 170th GK to concede a goal from Ovi.
Jagr scored against 178 goalies
Marleau against 177
Ovi is 3rd.

 

[BallardEra]

Last season he had 2 goals after his first 6 games.

 

[TJHKY]

 

[WarriorofTime]

Washed, just sad, pathetic, team only trying to get him record but at what cost, needs to retire, legitimately one of the worst players in the nhl.

Am I doing this right?