HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: Playoffs Edition part 2

[Gustave]

This was an obvious hiring from Dubas

Foxholes are real

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Meh, this is how management works, in pretty much every sphere of life. You surround yourself with people you're comfortable with as a convenience/necessity. Is is what it is.

 

[1909]

Another recycled head coach....

Foxholes are real

And folks around here thaught it was only in Montreal. Almost every team do that.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Another recycled head coach....


And folks around here thaught it was only in Montreal. Almost every team do that.

And guaranteed mediocrity.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Another recycled head coach....


And folks around here thaught it was only in Montreal. Almost every team do that.

Foxholes are fine if the inhabitants are competent. MB's buddies weren't.

 

[Whitesnake]

Meh, this is how management works, in pretty much every sphere of life. You surround yourself with people you're comfortable with as a convenience/necessity. Is is what it is.

And yet....how many times did we hear the ''don't limit your pool'' nonsense...lol.

Actually there's probably more chances you DON'T limit your pool by aiming at people speaking french 'cause in the end, you'll have to get out of your comfort zone of people you actually know..lol.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

And yet....how many times did we hear the ''don't limit your pool'' nonsense...lol.

Actually there's probably more chances you DON'T limit your pool by aiming at people speaking french 'cause in the end, you'll have to get out of your comfort zone of people you actually know..lol.

To be fair, guys like Laviolette and Babcock are pretty well established/respected. I get what you're saying though, there are real bad examples out there.

 

[Mrb1p]

That Vegas D and the size they brought is a very interesting building block.

Reinbacher, Xhekaj, Guhle, Mailloux and Engstrom?

 

[The Great Weal]

That Vegas D and the size they brought is a very interesting building block.

Reinbacher, Xhekaj, Guhle, Mailloux and Engstrom?

Ya I mentioned that before too:

Pietrangelo-Reinbacher
Theodore-Hutson
Martinez-Guhle
McNabb-Xhekaj
Hague-Mailloux
Whitecloud-Engstrom

Of course these aren't perfect syle comparisons, I'm talking about their impact.

 

[Mrb1p]

Ya I mentioned that before too:

Pietrangelo-Reinbacher
Theodore-Hutson
Martinez-Guhle
McNabb-Xhekaj
Hague-Whitecloud
Whitecloud-Engstrom

Of course these aren't perfect syle comparisons, I'm talking about their impact.

Hutson is the one that stands out.

Id say Guhle and Reinbacher could be the two best Ds in that group so, thats nice.

Vegas does have Eichel tho.

 

[The Great Weal]

Hutson is the one that stands out.

Id say Guhle and Reinbacher could be the two best Ds in that group so, thats nice.

Vegas does have Eichel tho.

Hutson could be similar to Theodore when he was only focused on offense (except Theodore is also 6'2). I don't think anyone will be as good as Pietrangelo who was a mosnter all over the ice, but also Guhle>>Martinez.

Vegas has the best 1-6 dman group and 1-12 forward group. We just need like 5 more great forward pieces up front and the defense to hit their potential and we will be the same as them in no time...

 

[Vachon23]

Hutson is the one that stands out.

Id say Guhle and Reinbacher could be the two best Ds in that group so, thats nice.

Vegas does have Eichel tho.

And Mark Stone

 

[Rapala]

Foxholes are real

No issues with this. Spezza has done nothing but good things since he was hired on as a player in Toronto. His play was above average as a fourth liner and he clearly has intelligence which is probably why Peabody has an affinity.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Another recycled head coach....

Laviolette is a recycled coach. And you always will have as teams might be looking for a different approach that a recycled coach can bring them. But I've already done the exercise and have posted it numerous times, the NHL has a lot of first time GMs and coachaes.

Just look at recent hirings:
- Calgary named Craig Conroy GM (first time GM) and he hired Ryan Ruska as head coach (first time coach).
- Anaheim named Greg Cronin as head coach (first time coach). And he was hired by Pat Verbeek (first time GM).

We also have exactly that in Montreal with Hughes and MSL.

But if you look around the NHL, there are a lot of new faces in GM spots (aside from those I mentioned above): Grier, Blake, Allvin, Bill Armstrong, Davidson, Guerin, Trotz, Kekalainen, Drury, Briere, Adams, Zito, McCrimmon.

Then you have a few GMs who have been with their teams for a while, but they are still first time GMs: Brisebois, Sakic, Dorion, Nill, and MacLellan to name a few.

Also a lot of new faces for coaching (aside from those mentioned above): Tourigny, Woodcroft, Richardson, Evason, Brunette, Carbery, Granato, DJ Smith, Keefe.

Then you have a few head coaches who have been with their teams for a while, but they are still first time NHL head coaches: Cooper, Brind'Amour, Sullivan, and Bednar to name a few.

And there also guys who are on their second teams, but they're still new GMs and coaches that haven't been fired from multiple teams and keep getting hired by others (like Laviolette and Torts to name just two).

 

[Adam Michaels]

That Vegas D and the size they brought is a very interesting building block.

Reinbacher, Xhekaj, Guhle, Mailloux and Engstrom?

I think Montreal's run in 2021 had that. And I'll be so bold to say that teams saw that and felt they need to have that to have success in deep runs.

Weber: 6'4" and 230 lbs
Edmundson: 6'5" and 225 lbs
Chiarot: 6'3" and 235 lbs
Petry: 6'3" and 210 lbs

And as you mention, Montreal's young D core seems to have that, as well.

Guhle: 6'2" and 205 lbs
Xhekaj: 6'4" and 238 lbs
Mailloux: 6'3" and 212 lbs

Barron has less of that physicality than the aforementioned (he does still have some), but he's also 6'2" and 201 lbs.

 

[Mrb1p]

I think Montreal's run in 2021 had that. And I'll be so bold to say that teams saw that and felt they need to have that to have success in deep runs.

Weber: 6'4" and 230 lbs
Edmundson: 6'5" and 225 lbs
Chiarot: 6'3" and 235 lbs
Petry: 6'3" and 210 lbs

And as you mention, Montreal's young D core seems to have that, as well.

Guhle: 6'2" and 205 lbs
Xhekaj: 6'4" and 238 lbs
Mailloux: 6'3" and 212 lbs

Barron has less of that physicality than the aforementioned (he does still have some), but he's also 6'2" and 201 lbs.

Barron has the similar build to Theodore. Lets hope he can develop into him.

 

[The Great Weal]

I think Montreal's run in 2021 had that. And I'll be so bold to say that teams saw that and felt they need to have that to have success in deep runs.

Weber: 6'4" and 230 lbs
Edmundson: 6'5" and 225 lbs
Chiarot: 6'3" and 235 lbs
Petry: 6'3" and 210 lbs

And as you mention, Montreal's young D core seems to have that, as well.

Guhle: 6'2" and 205 lbs
Xhekaj: 6'4" and 238 lbs
Mailloux: 6'3" and 212 lbs

Barron has less of that physicality than the aforementioned (he does still have some), but he's also 6'2" and 201 lbs.

A big defense is way more important than a big forward core in my opinion. Vegas gave the Panthers zero room.

 

[DAChampion]

Foxholes are fine if the inhabitants are competent. MB's buddies weren't.

Exactly.

Foxholes are real, but some are filled with shrewder foxes.

And even in the animal kingdom, you can have one animal leave one group and be welcomed in a different group.

 

[1909]

A big defense is way more important than a big forward core in my opinion. Vegas gave the Panthers zero room.

Besides Marchesseault, nobody is "small" on Vegas forwards group.

We can only dream of a Carrier-Roy-Kolesar type of 4th line, too.

Laviolette is a recycled coach. And you always will have as teams might be looking for a different approach that a recycled coach can bring them. But I've already done the exercise and have posted it numerous times, the NHL has a lot of first time GMs and coachaes.

Just look at recent hirings:
- Calgary named Craig Conroy GM (first time GM) and he hired Ryan Ruska as head coach (first time coach).
- Anaheim named Greg Cronin as head coach (first time coach). And he was hired by Pat Verbeek (first time GM).

We also have exactly that in Montreal with Hughes and MSL.

But if you look around the NHL, there are a lot of new faces in GM spots (aside from those I mentioned above): Grier, Blake, Allvin, Bill Armstrong, Davidson, Guerin, Trotz, Kekalainen, Drury, Briere, Adams, Zito, McCrimmon.

Then you have a few GMs who have been with their teams for a while, but they are still first time GMs: Brisebois, Sakic, Dorion, Nill, and MacLellan to name a few.

Also a lot of new faces for coaching (aside from those mentioned above): Tourigny, Woodcroft, Richardson, Evason, Brunette, Carbery, Granato, DJ Smith, Keefe.

Then you have a few head coaches who have been with their teams for a while, but they are still first time NHL head coaches: Cooper, Brind'Amour, Sullivan, and Bednar to name a few.

And there also guys who are on their second teams, but they're still new GMs and coaches that haven't been fired from multiple teams and keep getting hired by others (like Laviolette and Torts to name just two).

Babcock just back at NHL level. Gallant will follow soon. Quenneville and Julien still spark some interest.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Babcock just back at NHL level. Gallant will follow soon. Quenneville and Julien still spark some interest.

But just because certain guys get hired over and over doesn't change the fact the NHL is full of new faces, but all that gets ignored when a coach gets fired and hired elsewhere.

Laviolette being hired gets more attention because he just got fired in Washington. So everyone comes out to roll their eyes and say things like "here we go with the revolving door of coaches/GMs" or "NHL keeps recycling them." But no one is mentioning Caps hired a first-time NHL head coach in Carbery to replace Laviolette there. Or that Cronin was named in Anaheim or Ruska in Calgary. They hear that and say "OK" and then turn their attention to Gallant being rumored to be interviewed for an open coach position.

Regarding Babock, Quenneville and Julien:

- Babcock hasn't coached in the NHL since 2019. He will be head coach in 2023 (4 years later).
- Quenneville and Julien haven't coached in the NHL since 2021. Neither of them have been hired yet. But they haven't coached in 2-3 years.

So in their specific cases, it won't be a case of being fired and rehired right away. They've been away for a few years.

 

[Kimota]

Very weird to me that Roy has not been contacted by NHL teams. People in management are wusses. They'd rather hire complete newbies or go to the same well of old coaches. They are never bold. At least with HuGo they thought out of the box with MSL.

 

[Rapala]

Laviolette is a recycled coach. And you always will have as teams might be looking for a different approach that a recycled coach can bring them. But I've already done the exercise and have posted it numerous times, the NHL has a lot of first time GMs and coachaes.

Just look at recent hirings:
- Calgary named Craig Conroy GM (first time GM) and he hired Ryan Ruska as head coach (first time coach).
- Anaheim named Greg Cronin as head coach (first time coach). And he was hired by Pat Verbeek (first time GM).

We also have exactly that in Montreal with Hughes and MSL.

But if you look around the NHL, there are a lot of new faces in GM spots (aside from those I mentioned above): Grier, Blake, Allvin, Bill Armstrong, Davidson, Guerin, Trotz, Kekalainen, Drury, Briere, Adams, Zito, McCrimmon.

Then you have a few GMs who have been with their teams for a while, but they are still first time GMs: Brisebois, Sakic, Dorion, Nill, and MacLellan to name a few.

Also a lot of new faces for coaching (aside from those mentioned above): Tourigny, Woodcroft, Richardson, Evason, Brunette, Carbery, Granato, DJ Smith, Keefe.

Then you have a few head coaches who have been with their teams for a while, but they are still first time NHL head coaches: Cooper, Brind'Amour, Sullivan, and Bednar to name a few.

And there also guys who are on their second teams, but they're still new GMs and coaches that haven't been fired from multiple teams and keep getting hired by others (like Laviolette and Torts to name just two).

Didn't the Rangers try that first time coach thing before Gallant with David Quinn? That didn't seem to work out to well for them.

 

[Shred]

Caps looking to trade Kuzy. Would be awesome if we can get Ovechkin in 2 years, I remember he said his dream was to play for the Habs if he wasn't with the Caps.

Too many friends in Russia… would be shocked if retirement and going back home weren’t the only 2 options when he’s done with the Capitals. Unless they are somehow over him and he hasn’t reached the record yet but that seems unlikely.

This was an obvious hiring from Dubas

When you have an assistant GM but no GM… Awkward.

 

[bcv]

You can't own two teams. He will be forced to sell.

I know, it’s not what we were discussing tho

 

[JoelWarlord]

Very weird to me that Roy has not been contacted by NHL teams. People in management are wusses. They'd rather hire complete newbies or go to the same well of old coaches. They are never bold. At least with HuGo they thought out of the box with MSL.

Patrick Roy is another one of those from the well of same old coaches. Having one good year where your team lost as the #2 seed, missing the playoffs twice, and then quitting on your team a month before training camp is not the type of thing that inspires confidence.