HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: Off-Season Edition

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WeThreeKings

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Whatever the case, hopefully Galchenyuk can get the help he needs. I can't imagine what he must've gone through throughout his career. The highs being selected 3rd OVR pick, hitting 30 goals in the league as a 21 year old, and now what we've seen over the past few years being the lows.

Seemed like a good kid, hate to see players go through these things.

People don't seem to want to account for the fact the Bergevin regime did nothing to insulate these kids.

Thankfully Gorton and Hughes know all about the pressure of Montreal and are very aware of what they need to do to put supports around these players.
 

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People don't seem to want to account for the fact the Bergevin regime did nothing to insulate these kids.

Thankfully Gorton and Hughes know all about the pressure of Montreal and are very aware of what they need to do to put supports around these players.
People give Bergevin and friends shit all the time for how poorly they handled Chucky, and others.
 
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People don't seem to want to account for the fact the Bergevin regime did nothing to insulate these kids.

Thankfully Gorton and Hughes know all about the pressure of Montreal and are very aware of what they need to do to put supports around these players.
I don't know about Galchenyuk case, but at some point, it's not your employer business/responsibility if you're messing up in your private life. These players are adults and accountable for their actions.
 

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I imagine the conversations Hughes had were mainly with Cheveldayoff on what a trade would look like. And once the decision was made that Habs weren't going to pay the assets Winnipeg was asking for, there was zero reasons for them to talk to PLD and make any contract offer.
It was reported Hughes had serious discussions with Cheveldayoff regarding Dubois last year. There was absolutely no reason for him to offer any more than he did then. I get the impression that both prongs of the demand were an issue for us.
 
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People don't seem to want to account for the fact the Bergevin regime did nothing to insulate these kids.

Thankfully Gorton and Hughes know all about the pressure of Montreal and are very aware of what they need to do to put supports around these players.
Technically they did insulate these kids... with alleged coke heads like Prusty
 
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I don't know about Galchenyuk case, but at some point, it's not your employer business/responsibility if you're messing up in your private life. These players are adults and accountable for their actions.
When you're drafting an 18 year old kid - yeah they're kids even at 18 - 3OA and investing all that money and hope in him, it's IDIOTIC to not protect your investment and insulate him for the first couple of years until they're more mature emotionally and mentally.
 
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People give Bergevin and friends shit all the time for how poorly they handled Chucky, and others.
MB said that if you want to improve as a player, that's on you. Didn't even have a development coach, as I recall, or if they did, he didn't have much to do. Whereas, Chris Nicholas seems to have a huge role, as he should.
 
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I wanted to sign Max Comtois...I guess we're about to find out why he hasn't signed anywhere soon....
FWIW He's one of the handful of players who's statement is not an outright denial but rather a wilingness to help the investigation along as much as possible. Not that anyone who was compromised wouldn't outright lie thinking the fix was in.
 
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When you're drafting an 18 year old kid - yeah they're kids even at 18 - 3OA and investing all that money and hope in him, it's IDIOTIC to not protect your investment and insulate him for the first couple of years until they're more mature emotionally and mentally.
But how to do that? Do you force these guys into your plan? The player himself have a lot more to lose than the team. Some of these young guys are just going to act like they don't need advice (like young people do).
 

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I don't know about Galchenyuk case, but at some point, it's not your employer business/responsibility if you're messing up in your private life. These players are adults and accountable for their actions.
There is a difference between hiring someone to do a desk job vs investing a draft pick into a player that may drive your team to championships. Also you are giving millions of dollars to such a kid, 18 y.o.... remember what you were at 18 and imagine yourself suddenly be a millionnaire..... I think it would make a lot of sense to invest a bity into protecting that investment, don't you think?
 

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A shame about Chuck. Such a promising career. We did him no favours and the injury was killer. Ultimately though, if there are off site stuff happening that’s a shame. Hopefully he can pull himself together.
In the case of AG it's not an if anymore. There was and still is out of ice issues. That was his main problem. He never was going to be a star but he easily had the skills to be a 30/60 player. I don't consider him a bad pick personally. It was one of the weakest draft ever and it's hard to predict out of ice issues.
 

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I don't know about Galchenyuk case, but at some point, it's not your employer business/responsibility if you're messing up in your private life. These players are adults and accountable for their actions.
Most employers actually do try to prevent that. And those who don't are not very good employers. Companies have programs to help employees having issues and a good team leader will try to help an employee having trouble which usually will show with the quality of his present work versus his past. It's not the 50ies and 60ies anymore. Yeah some companies will fire people on the spot but it's not as common as it used to be. In many fields they'll try to help you before firing you.

It should even be a bigger priority for NHL teams as they invest a lot of money on their young players and at the end of the day those young players can't go work for another team and are the responsability of their current team. The assets of a hockey team is mostly the players. It would be like a company like Apple not caring if there's a problem with their last iPhone.
 

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In the case of AG it's not an if anymore. There was and still is out of ice issues. That was his main problem. He never was going to be a star but he easily had the skills to be a 30/60 player. I don't consider him a bad pick personally. It was one of the weakest draft ever and it's hard to predict out of ice issues.
I won’t comment on things that aren’t public knowledge. Neither should anyone.
 
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There is a difference between hiring someone to do a desk job vs investing a draft pick into a player that may drive your team to championships. Also you are giving millions of dollars to such a kid, 18 y.o.... remember what you were at 18 and imagine yourself suddenly be a millionnaire..... I think it would make a lot of sense to invest a bity into protecting that investment, don't you think?
What do you mean by protecting? Hire some bodyguards to follow him to prevent any bad decision from the kid? I understand what you're saying, but there is a limit where it's on player's shoulders to decide to behave like a professional athlete.
 

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I won’t comment on things that aren’t public knowledge. Neither should anyone.
I don’t like speculating on things like this either. But just looking at the way Galchenyuk’s career projected, it was a pretty dramatic drop off from 2016-2018 and everything that followed after. It wouldn’t be a shock to anyone if there was something much larger at play there.
 
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Young millionaire athlete fall victim to performence drugs...many such cases. Not sure why people dunk on Timmins?

Jordan walked in on Bulls players doing lines and smoking weed as a rookie. He was told to get used to it because drinking slows you down.

The Chicago Bulls Traveling Cocaine circus!

Jordan didn't touch a drink until years later.
 
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