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And that would’ve also been true 15 years ago, and it flat out didn’t work.
I don't care for the league expanding, and I'd rather see Quebec city get a team before Atlanta...

And.


Atlanta's population has grown by 1.5M since 2010...

That's like adding a Calgary, or two Winnipegs, in that time.

Context is important
Nothing has changed.
You sure about that...

Might want to take a minute and think that one through
 
The Bolts had won a cup with a team that was like 18 million over the cap and they got far less shit than the Knights who I believe were cap compliant with their game 5 SCF lineup. I'm also not buying this "let's shut down our best player to get an advantage in the playoffs" mentality when they almost missed it. They don't make the playoffs without Eichel who was their MVP and they were desperately hoping he'd get back ASAP to avoid the skid.

Not to mention that players will put up with their injuries more in the playoffs. Look at Price and Weber who killed their careers playing through injuries in the finals run. Players won't put themselves through hell to get back and play meaningless regular-season games.
Oh believe me, I hate the Bolts for that absolute garbage too. It goes utterly against the spirit of competition which is my issue. What's the point of cheering for a team while it goes through a crappy rebuild, hoping they can maybe win a Cup, only to have whichever team is the league's flavour of the year be allowed to flaunt rules as they please? This needs to be cleaned up ASAP before it continues ruining the sport.
 
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Oh believe me, I hate the Bolts for that absolute garbage too. It goes utterly against the spirit of competition which is my issue. What's the point of cheering for a team while it goes through a crappy rebuild, hoping they can maybe win a Cup, only to have whichever team is the league's flavour of the year be allowed to flaunt rules as they please? This needs to be cleaned up ASAP before it continues ruining the sport.
I'm not going to hate on a team having the balls to add meaningful players. They are not breaking any rules. Why didn't someone else trade for Hertl?Probably because they didn't do their homework and didn't think he'd be available. I would only have an issue with this if another team did the same thing but the league looks into the player that team put on LTIR while avoiding doing it with the Knights. Again, the Knights put their best player on LTIR. This isn't putting a guy like Gallagher on LTIR to add a way better player.
 
I don't care for the league expanding, and I'd rather see Quebec city get a team before Atlanta...

And.


Atlanta's population has grown by 1.5M since 2010...

That's like adding a Calgary, or two Winnipegs, in that time.

Context is important

You sure about that...

Might want to take a minute and think that one through

Context IS important.

How much you want to bet that 1.5M that moved to *Atlanta* don’t give two shits about Ice Hockey?

The population of Atlanta doubled from the time the Flames relocated and the Thrashers were awarded a team.

So much for that argument. ;)
 
I'm not going to hate on a team having the balls to add meaningful players. They are not breaking any rules. Why didn't someone else trade for Hertl?Probably because they didn't do their homework and didn't think he'd be available. I would only have an issue with this if another team did the same thing but the league looks into the player that team put on LTIR while avoiding doing it with the Knights. Again, the Knights put their best player on LTIR. This isn't putting a guy like Gallagher on LTIR to add a way better player.
Yeah, it'd be tough to get tonnes of cash over the cap without it being one of your teams top players and thus top earners. This is blatantly unfair and a clear circumvention of rules and utterly against the spirit of the sport. Things like this only make the league more a joke and less interesting to watch.
 
Yeah, it'd be tough to get tonnes of cash over the cap without it being one of your teams top players and thus top earners.
It's also a great idea to replace Stone with 2 games of Hertl. That would be like replacing prime Price with 2 games of Montembeault as a wild card team.
This is blatantly unfair
It's not unfair if other teams choose not to do the same thing. That's their loss.
and a clear circumvention of rules and utterly against the spirit of the sport. Things like this only make the league more a joke and less interesting to watch.
I'm doing everything possible to watch every Knights playoff game so I'm definitely more interested than ever. Don't really care about the Eastern teams.
 
Context IS important.

How much you want to bet that 1.5M that moved to *Atlanta* don’t give two shits about Ice Hockey?

The population of Atlanta doubled from the time the Flames relocated and the Thrashers were awarded a team.

So much for that argument. ;)
How do you think growth happens? By acquiring new customers. The whole point is going to places where people « don’t give two shits about ice hockey » and turn them into fans. Just like they did in California, Florida, Nevada and many other places.

Some places are worth revisiting even if it didn’t work the first time, as long as they learn from their mistakes. I would be very surprised if there’s not another attempt in Arizona in the near future.

This thinking is exactly why Quebec City will never have another franchise; no new money.
 
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How do you think growth happens? By acquiring new customers. The whole point is going to places where people « don’t give two shits about ice hockey » and turn them into fans. Just like they did in California, Florida, Nevada and many other places.

Some places are worth revisiting even if it didn’t work the first time, as long as they learn from their mistakes. I would be very surprised if there’s not another attempt in Arizona in the near future.

This thinking is exactly why Quebec City will never have another franchise; no new money.

Of course I understand how growth works, I also understand how demographics work. Atlanta will be a Baseball/Basketball/Football market for the foreseeable future.

Will there be a time and place where hockey is possible? Yes, because at some point there will be enough of a demographic there to support it. Barring the team coming in hot immediately like Vegas - it’s not going to work yet again - for the 3rd time.
 
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Context IS important.

How much you want to bet that 1.5M that moved to *Atlanta* don’t give two shits about Ice Hockey?

The population of Atlanta doubled from the time the Flames relocated and the Thrashers were awarded a team.

So much for that argument. ;)
Again, might want to go look into this more before spouting off totally ungrounded takes built solely on emotional reactivity...

But you do you ;)
 
Again, might want to go look into this more before spouting off totally ungrounded takes built solely on emotional reactivity...

But you do you ;)

Yes, my claim that a team won’t succeed in a market it has already failed in *twice* is ungrounded.
 
Context IS important.

How much you want to bet that 1.5M that moved to *Atlanta* don’t give two shits about Ice Hockey?

The population of Atlanta doubled from the time the Flames relocated and the Thrashers were awarded a team.

So much for that argument. ;)
The business is not about actual fan interest, as long as corporate boxes & seats are sold and paid for. Pro sports is about using the pro sports team as a flow through share / a means of legalized money laundering - winning is a pure nicety and makes the few diehards happy.

There isn’t some miraculous “fan interest” that developed over last 2-seasons in Fla, it’s the same market that’s been there for the previous 20+ years.

Vinik never bought the TBay team for Lightning /hockey, he in fact didn’t even bother showing up for 2-Cup finals not wanting to miss his beloved Red Sox - he bought the team as a means of non taxation on his hedge fund to flow it through to own waterfront area around the arena.. the Lightning were simply throw in for the deal

It wasn’t that long ago TBay, Canes, Fla were all written off as dead franchises
 
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It's also a great idea to replace Stone with 2 games of Hertl. That would be like replacing prime Price with 2 games of Montembeault as a wild card team.

It's not unfair if other teams choose not to do the same thing. That's their loss.

I'm doing everything possible to watch every Knights playoff game so I'm definitely more interested than ever. Don't really care about the Eastern teams.
Unfortunately that's where we're going to have to agree to disagree. Just because other teams can cheat the system doesn't make cheating the system fair.
 
Unfortunately that's where we're going to have to agree to disagree. Just because other teams can cheat the system doesn't make cheating the system fair.
If a team can do something that every other team can also do at an equal level, then by definition it is fair.
 

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