Ottawa 67's 2022 Off-season Thread

[OMG67]

So Rohrer to the Canadians interesting to see what happens there.

Moldenhauer will stay in the USHL. I do not see him being a sure thing to make the Maple LAFFS.

It makes more sense to see what American Universities have to offer. He played well for the steel but will be a leader this year.

The American University package at this stage would definitely be preferable.

I agree that after our top 3 get signed the only way a player gets an OHL card would be if they blow the doors off in training camp and unseat one of the returning players.

It depends what Moldenhauer’s goal is. Playing 4 years NCAA would sacrifice three pro years. His AHL salary would be about $80k per year so it comes down to whether it is best to play two years of major junior and 80 games with playoffs per year or half that number of games in the USHL and NCAA as a freshman getting limited ice.

If his goal is to play pro hockey, he’d get more games and be better prepared in the OHL. If his priority is to get an education and let hockey happen however it happens then so be it.

No one can tell me that there is a significant increase in player development at the USHL level vs OHL. At best it is even but the OHL plays more games which, in my mind, gives it the advantage.

If Moldenhauer stays in the USHL and plays one year at NCAA and his goal is to play pro hockey, that is a poor decision IMO. The only reason to go that route is to get a degree and then figure it out. That’s a fine plan but for a kid that hasn’t even decided where he wants to play NCAA, it seems odd to me that is his first choice. Kids that want to go that route always have a goal and they match that with a commitment. They don’t wait until the summer before school to decide where to play. Hell, even high school kids that go to University are typically single minded in where they want to go to school.

 

[beastintheeast]

stevie Y doesn't even know about Ottawa

 

[beastintheeast]

It depends what Moldenhauer’s goal is. Playing 4 years NCAA would sacrifice three pro years. His AHL salary would be about $80k per year so it comes down to whether it is best to play two years of major junior and 80 games with playoffs per year or half that number of games in the USHL and NCAA as a freshman getting limited ice.

If his goal is to play pro hockey, he’d get more games and be better prepared in the OHL. If his priority is to get an education and let hockey happen however it happens then so be it.

No one can tell me that there is a significant increase in player development at the USHL level vs OHL. At best it is even but the OHL plays more games which, in my mind, gives it the advantage.

If Moldenhauer stays in the USHL and plays one year at NCAA and his goal is to play pro hockey, that is a poor decision IMO. The only reason to go that route is to get a degree and then figure it out. That’s a fine plan but for a kid that hasn’t even decided where he wants to play NCAA, it seems odd to me that is his first choice. Kids that want to go that route always have a goal and they match that with a commitment. They don’t wait until the summer before school to decide where to play. Hell, even high school kids that go to University are typically single minded in where they want to go to school.

If you look at some of the players that went the University route it is a toss-up. To me, if I was his dad I would have said that we wait until after the draft to see what is there and where we are. Like you said if he was a second-round then there are options.
He now knows where he stands with the NHL. Now he has to look at which Uni makes an offer. It is not just the Uni vs OHL. It is a top-tier university vs lower. He did not make a decision because he wanted to be open to the NHL. Now he can talk to the team and make a decision as to where they see him.

If Michigan for instance is on the list then there is no decision. Play a couple of years 1 year more USHL and then 1 year university.

 

[OMG67]

If you look at some of the players that went the University route it is a toss-up. To me, if I was his dad I would have said that we wait until after the draft to see what is there and where we are. Like you said if he was a second-round then there are options.
He now knows where he stands with the NHL. Now he has to look at which Uni makes an offer. It is not just the Uni vs OHL. It is a top-tier university vs lower. He did not make a decision because he wanted to be open to the NHL. Now he can talk to the team and make a decision as to where they see him.

If Michigan for instance is on the list then there is no decision. Play a couple of years 1 year more USHL and then 1 year university.

If it is Michigan, it would be play one more year at Chicago in the USHL and one year riding the Pine and Press Box at Michigan…..

I think that is my biggest issue. If his goal is primarily to play Pro hockey then that is not the route. If he goes to NCAA, I really think he needs to play at least three seasons there to get the true experience. Playing one year at a top tier program is useless. He’ll get lots of practice time in though.

 

[beastintheeast]

Beck Kaspar Boucher

Pinelli Rohrer Sirizotti

Gerrior Tolnai Stonehouse

Johnston Barlas Kelly

Foster Dever



Mayich Matier

Marrelli Constantini

Sirman Gil-shane

Smyth Ewle

Mews



Mackenzie

Donoso

 

[OMG67]

Sirizzotti is in Niagara.

Beck - Rohrer - Boucher
Pinelli - Tolnai - Stonehouse
Gerrior - Barlas/Foster - TJ
Laforme - Foster/Barlas - Dever
Kelly

Mayich - Matier
Sawyer - Costantini
Sirman - Gill-Shane
Smyth
Mews
Marelli
Ewles

Donoso
MacKenzie

As I mentioned previously, because of the depth of signed players on the Blueline combined with some lack of depth at forward, the possibility is a d-Man will move up front. I’ve targeted Mews to move up front. He’s played a fair bit of forward and would be an easy transition in the short term, to get him ice without sacrificing ice time for other established D-Men. Mews can still play the point on the PP.

We do need to keep in mind that Sawyer is likely to miss at least 2-4 weeks to start the season rehabbing his injury so they will provide some ice for a player in the early going.

If Kasper reports and plays, then you could see either the existing Centres on that chart all move down a spot or you could see Rohrer move back to the wing. Either way, it looks like there will be one veteran tagged to play top 9 moved out of the top 9. Most likley that will be one of Foster or Barlas.

Plus we still have an additional OA spot available to fill.

What do we know? We know the top 8 on forward (Beck, Rohrer, Boucher, Pinelli, Tolnai, Stonehouse, Gerrior and TJ). We know the top 7 on Defence (Mayich, Matier, Sawyer, Costantini, Sirman, Gill-Shane, and Smyth). We know our goaltending tandem (Donoso and MacKenzie).

So, it will be about whether a rookie will come in and snatch a job away from a veteran. Barlas and Foster are the most likely candidates up front. Mews is the most likely candidate on Defence.

Looks to me like Laforme, Ewles and Dever are on the outside looking in. And, there will be some pretty upset Defencemen.

 

[beastintheeast]

Sirizzotti is in Niagara.

Beck - Rohrer - Boucher
Pinelli - Tolnai - Stonehouse
Gerrior - Barlas/Foster - TJ
Laforme - Foster/Barlas - Dever
Kelly

Mayich - Matier
Sawyer - Costantini
Sirman - Gill-Shane
Smyth
Mews
Marelli
Ewles

Donoso
MacKenzie

As I mentioned previously, because of the depth of signed players on the Blueline combined with some lack of depth at forward, the possibility is a d-Man will move up front. I’ve targeted Mews to move up front. He’s played a fair bit of forward and would be an easy transition in the short term, to get him ice without sacrificing ice time for other established D-Men. Mews can still play the point on the PP.


If Kasper reports and plays, then you could see either the existing Centres on that chart all move down a spot or you could see Rohrer move back to the wing.


What do we know? We know the top 8 on forward (Beck, Rohrer, Boucher, Pinelli, Tolnai, Stonehouse, Gerrior and TJ). We know the top 7 on Defence (Mayich, Matier, Sawyer, Costantini, Sirman, Gill-Shane, and Smyth). We know our goaltending tandem (Donoso and MacKenzie).

So, it will be about whether a rookie will come in and snatch a job away from a veteran. Barlas and Foster are the most likely candidates up front. Mews is the most likely candidate on Defence.

Looks to me like Laforme, Ewles and Dever are on the outside looking in. And, there will be some pretty upset Defencemen.

My bad on sirizotti

I agree with Mews and that is why I did not pair him. I see him in the lineup and filling positions and playing either position.

Looking at the list I am looking at Barlas and he is going to have to r really prove himself especially if Boyd makes a deal with Detroit.

Again I can see a t trade with him going to someone else due to parents' decision.

Ewle could be a surprise both he and Devers will come into camp knowing that they are going uphill in the battle BUT that there are other OHL teams that may be interested if they show well in camp.

 

[beastintheeast]

Just watching Detroit De v camp it is as if they don't know that he was drafted by t he 67's seems heavily focused on returning him to Rogle because they develop better.

 

[AttackBeacher]

Just watching Detroit De v camp it is as if they don't know that he was drafted by t he 67's seems heavily focused on returning him to Rogle because they develop better.

That's Yzerman's MO

 

[OMG67]

Kasper signs his Entry Level with Detroit. So, Detroit has control over where he plays.

 

[beastintheeast]

Boyd is going to have to do one hell of a sales job although I think that if marco wants to come here we would have a good shot

 

[OMG67]

Boyd is going to have to do one hell of a sales job although I think that if marco wants to come here we would have a good shot

I think that is pretty accurate to be honest. Most teams do take into consideration what the player wants. His AHL contract is $82,500. I doubt he would make that in the SEL. So, I’m not sure the $$$ would be a motivator either way. I think both sides would try to determine what is best for development.

I think if he were to be capable of playing in the AHL, maybe they would play him there. If not, then I think it is probably 50-50 with the player probably making the decision.

Chris Draper is an ex-67 and Stevie Y is very familiar with the 67’s. I can’t see the wing dismissing the 67’s without serious consideration.

 

[beastintheeast]

I think that is pretty accurate to be honest. Most teams do take into consideration what the player wants. His AHL contract is $82,500. I doubt he would make that in the SEL. So, I’m not sure the $$$ would be a motivator either way. I think both sides would try to determine what is best for development.

I think if he were to be capable of playing in the AHL, maybe they would play him there. If not, then I think it is probably 50-50 with the player probably making the decision.

Chris Draper is an ex-67 and Stevie Y is very familiar with the 67’s. I can’t see the wing dismissing the 67’s without serious consideration.

It is going to be a very busy year for a lot of Junior players. This month training camps open for the WJC tournament in August NHL rookie camp, ; NHL team camp then some of them will get 9 games in the NHL
Play a few games in either the Euro league or in NA then go to the 2023 WJC then finish the season with their respective teams.

Strictly from a health point of view, they may say that it is not worth it to fly him to Sweden and then fly him back to Halifax
Looking at it I can see Karpas being in Detroit until the end of October at the earliest. Then we would lose him in December and January.

Whie I think a healthy Marco would be a blessing I also worry about ROHRER as he will be doing the same schedule minus the 9 games in the NHL

 

[OMG67]

It is going to be a very busy year for a lot of Junior players. This month training camps open for the WJC tournament in August NHL rookie camp, ; NHL team camp then some of them will get 9 games in the NHL
Play a few games in either the Euro league or in NA then go to the 2023 WJC then finish the season with their respective teams.

Strictly from a health point of view, they may say that it is not worth it to fly him to Sweden and then fly him back to Halifax
Looking at it I can see Karpas being in Detroit until the end of October at the earliest. Then we would lose him in December and January.

Whie I think a healthy Marco would be a blessing I also worry about ROHRER as he will be doing the same schedule minus the 9 games in the NHL

I think with him being eligible to play AHL, if he plays 9 NHL games, he’ll go to the AHL. I don’t see him playing NHL Games. I see him playing rookie camp and getting a couple days at the Big Boys camp and then he will be reassigned. I don’t think they are going to fart around.

Based on his scouting report, he is a 200 foot player which typically requires a lot of additional time to develop because he wouldn’t have one particular element of his game that directly translates to NHL ready.

 

[beastintheeast]

I think with him being eligible to play AHL, if he plays 9 NHL games, he’ll go to the AHL. I don’t see him playing NHL Games. I see him playing rookie camp and getting a couple days at the Big Boys camp and then he will be reassigned. I don’t think they are going to fart around.

Based on his scouting report, he is a 200 foot player which typically requires a lot of additional time to develop because he wouldn’t have one particular element of his game that directly translates to NHL ready.

I agree but if they send him there to develop and I am not sure of that he would still be there until the end October.

The question is going to be Boyd's sales job. If he can sell the benefits of Ottawa over Sweden then I think we would see him in mid-October.
That will give him time to get used to things, Rohrer should be able t help but I think with the WJC schedule that sending him to Europe if Aust ria is in the WJC would be a mistake.

No matter what it will be interesting to see what the 67's do at camp.

 

[OMG67]

I agree but if they send him there to develop and I am not sure of that he would still be there until the end October.

The question is going to be Boyd's sales job. If he can sell the benefits of Ottawa over Sweden then I think we would see him in mid-October.
That will give him time to get used to things, Rohrer should be able t help but I think with the WJC schedule that sending him to Europe if Aust ria is in the WJC would be a mistake.

No matter what it will be interesting to see what the 67's do at camp.

I think the NHL is scheduled to start on time this season. Same with the OHL. If Kasper ends up in Ottawa, I’m not too sure it will take until mid-October. They usually try to get the young kids into their programs as early as possible. They aren’t trying to fiddle around with reassignments laddering them down. He will get cut fromt he main NHL Camp and be sent wherever he is going to play. That would suggest an alignment with he beginning of the OHL season. If cut early from NHL camp, he will make it to the the first game. If he plays exhibition games (which I don’t think he will), then it could be a week or two later. I do feel we will have out answer by sept 30.

 

[beastintheeast]

Just looking at the maple Laffs and have to think with their roster that Moldenhauer is going to have a hard time cracking this lineup.

I see him doing another year with the Steel, especially with Dubas's new love affair with the steel organization.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Would mean the 67s would be going all in next year around the last year of Beck, Boucher, Kasper and Matier. Gens could send them Harrison and/or Moore for Marrelli haha

 

[OMG67]

Would mean the 67s would be going all in next year around the last year of Beck, Boucher, Kasper and Matier. Gens could send them Harrison and/or Moore for Marrelli haha

If Kasper does in fact end up in Ottawa, I’m not sure the 67s would be the classic “all in” team. I think they’d have one OA spot to fill first. That is where Moore may fit the bill. A good puck moving D-Man would probably be on the menu. That would raise the question of whether the 67s keep Costantini as an OA with all the other bodies on the back end.

The forward units seem fine through three lines but it depends on whether Rohrer plays as a centre or not. If they decide Rohrer is a better fit on the wing, then it is likely the ‘Poles add a centre. But, I think they’ll want to see how Barlas and Foster look to see if either can play as the 3rd line centre before they commit to adding a marquis centre.

As of right now, I see Kasper as the 1st line centre, Rohrer as the 2nd and Tolnai as the 3rd. They have Beck, Boucher, Stonehouse, Pinelli, Gerrior and Thomas Johnston as their top 6 wingers to round out the top three lines. I think a lot will depend on TJ’s health and whether he can play a full season or not. He had some issues last year and with the offseason previous, he lost a lot of development that has put him behind compared to where we all thought he would be at this point. But if he comes back healthy, using him on the 3rd line with Gerrior and Tolnai would be a pain to play against for sure.

It will be interesting to see what they do but not sure they are a push all the chips in team. They do have a lot of useful depth to rely on, depending of course on whether there is progression in performance.

 

[OMG67]

Just looking at the maple Laffs and have to think with their roster that Moldenhauer is going to have a hard time cracking this lineup.

I see him doing another year with the Steel, especially with Dubas's new love affair with the steel organization.

Whether he plays with the Steel this year is not a big issue. It is whether he commits to playing NCAA. HE can play another year with the Steel this year but transfer to the Sting next year and we are still getting all the core picks. You have to also remember that the LEafs are drafting Steel players but those drafted players typically move to NCAA the following season. I’m not sure sticking with the Steel through to 20 years old and then transferring to the AHL is ideal for a player development standpoint. I would think he Leafs would advise playing OHL or NCAA, not USHL all the way through.

 

[Generalsupdates]

If Kasper does in fact end up in Ottawa, I’m not sure the 67s would be the classic “all in” team. I think they’d have one OA spot to fill first. That is where Moore may fit the bill. A good puck moving D-Man would probably be on the menu. That would raise the question of whether the 67s keep Costantini as an OA with all the other bodies on the back end.

The forward units seem fine through three lines but it depends on whether Rohrer plays as a centre or not. If they decide Rohrer is a better fit on the wing, then it is likely the ‘Poles add a centre. But, I think they’ll want to see how Barlas and Foster look to see if either can play as the 3rd line centre before they commit to adding a marquis centre.

As of right now, I see Kasper as the 1st line centre, Rohrer as the 2nd and Tolnai as the 3rd. They have Beck, Boucher, Stonehouse, Pinelli, Gerrior and Thomas Johnston as their top 6 wingers to round out the top three lines. I think a lot will depend on TJ’s health and whether he can play a full season or not. He had some issues last year and with the offseason previous, he lost a lot of development that has put him behind compared to where we all thought he would be at this point. But if he comes back healthy, using him on the 3rd line with Gerrior and Tolnai would be a pain to play against for sure.

It will be interesting to see what they do but not sure they are a push all the chips in team. They do have a lot of useful depth to rely on, depending of course on whether there is progression in performance.

They're in a good spot with the double first round pick where they could trade Marrelli and still have a '06 first rounder to build around for future years if they do decide to go all in

 

[beastintheeast]

If Kasper does in fact end up in Ottawa, I’m not sure the 67s would be the classic “all in” team. I think they’d have one OA spot to fill first. That is where Moore may fit the bill. A good puck moving D-Man would probably be on the menu. That would raise the question of whether the 67s keep Costantini as an OA with all the other bodies on the back end.

The forward units seem fine through three lines but it depends on whether Rohrer plays as a centre or not. If they decide Rohrer is a better fit on the wing, then it is likely the ‘Poles add a centre. But, I think they’ll want to see how Barlas and Foster look to see if either can play as the 3rd line centre before they commit to adding a marquis centre.

As of right now, I see Kasper as the 1st line centre, Rohrer as the 2nd and Tolnai as the 3rd. They have Beck, Boucher, Stonehouse, Pinelli, Gerrior and Thomas Johnston as their top 6 wingers to round out the top three lines. I think a lot will depend on TJ’s health and whether he can play a full season or not. He had some issues last year and with the offseason previous, he lost a lot of development that has put him behind compared to where we all thought he would be at this point. But if he comes back healthy, using him on the 3rd line with Gerrior and Tolnai would be a pain to play against for sure.

It will be interesting to see what they do but not sure they are a push all the chips in team. They do have a lot of useful depth to rely on, depending of course on whether there is progression in performance.

OK first I have been following Detroit and what they have said and all talk has been Rogle. That being said it would be nice to see him play here.

As to all chips in this is the year. Sorry I am not sold. The team we had last year has a lot of developing to do for this year.

Unknonwns

besides first line do we have any goalscoring
How much is the defence improved last year they had trouble in front of the net
Goaltending do we have a true number one that is championship caliber

Knowns

Kaspar and Rohrer (possibly Beck) are probably starting their season next month in the WJC. Then they go to NHL camps, then they come here probably for opening night in Rohrer's case may be a little later for Kaspar.
WJC 2023 we will lose both of these guys again for the WJC.

Scoring last year was not great it was mediocre

Defence was learning and had some trouble

No one stood out as a #1 lead this team to the promised land starter

My prediction for this team is that they will be a top contender in the east. We have the parts that we can probably compete for #1 but a lot is going to depend on the conditioning and the advancement of the returning players.

My thoughts are keep the OA ticket open. Look at where we are and what we have versus what we need.

Injuries and player development at positions will dictate what we need in an OA or veteran players. Remember everyone thought that Cranley would be the dominant number 1 last year.

 

[beastintheeast]

They're in a good spot with the double first round pick where they could trade Marrelli and still have a '06 first rounder to build around for future years if they do decide to go all in

67's if nothing has always proven that they are drafting and building to the future. First-round picks only to get traded if they ask for it.

 

[Generalsupdates]

67's if nothing has always proven that they are drafting and building to the future. First-round picks only to get traded if they ask for it.

Unique spot there where all of your best players are all in their last season (Beck/Boucher/Kasper/Matier). If there was ever a time to go for it, that is it when all your best guys are in their final year. This is assuming that Kasper comes. If not that changes everything

 

[beastintheeast]

Unique spot there where all of your best players are all in their last season (Beck/Boucher/Kasper/Matier). If there was ever a time to go for it, that is it when all your best guys are in their final year. This is assuming that Kasper comes. If not that changes everything

What you describe is the same thing that most teams go through the loss of their first line.

This is a team that builds for the future. Any trade will depend on what is needed trading a first-round pick has always been a Frontenacs thing not a 67