Ottawa 67's 2022 Off-season Thread

[OMG67]

Who do you see as rebuilding this year. Hamilton went all in it will be interesting to see what they have.

I agree about the center and possibly a winger. As you said the big unknown is how the returning second-year players fill things out.

Stonehouse should have a chip on his shoulder from not being drafted.

Barlas should be coming back with the thought to prove that he belongs on the team.

Beck needs to show that he is ready for the AHL or he could be our OA next year. Looking at his stats they have not been set the world on fire

Matier has to step up and show that he is ready for the NHL or again he could be back.
Remember neither one was a high draft pick and -20 is not going to turn the Pred's heads in a good way.

1> Nashville has signed Matier. He will turn pro next year.
2> Beck will sign with Calgary provided he proves he isn’t sick. He missed a lot of time last year with some sort of undisclosed illness. He scored 22 goals and 44 points in only 36 games. Beck, if healthy, should put up similar numbers to Quinn in his final season.
3> Stonehouse didn’t need to not be drafted to have a chip on his shoulder. The kid plays like that every night. Him not being drafted will not change the way he plays one single bit.

I couldn’t tell you which teams are rebuilding per se. First, we have an OA spot open so we should be in talks with teams that have 4 or more OA’s projected to return. Once those teams have those players back, Ottawa can try to acquire one now or wait to closer to the deadline to acquire one from a bottom feeder. I am more inclined to wait so kids like Barlas and Foster have an opportunity to step up. Same goes for the Import spot.

I think the 67’s will be strong enough if healthy to get out to a decent start. Hell, last year they had a really good start cracking the CHL Top 10 until they started to fall off with all the injuries. Losing Beck for months on end was tough. They started 10-5-1. Then the injuries hit. They went on a 2-11-1 stretch heading into the Christmas break. That killed their season.

 

[beastintheeast]

1> Nashville has signed Matier. He will turn pro next year.
2> Beck will sign with Calgary provided he proves he isn’t sick. He missed a lot of time last year with some sort of undisclosed illness. He scored 22 goals and 44 points in only 36 games. Beck, if healthy, should put up similar numbers to Quinn in his final season.
3> Stonehouse didn’t need to not be drafted to have a chip on his shoulder. The kid plays like that every night. Him not being drafted will not change the way he plays one single bit.

I couldn’t tell you which teams are rebuilding per se. First, we have an OA spot open so we should be in talks with teams that have 4 or more OA’s projected to return. Once those teams have those players back, Ottawa can try to acquire one now or wait to closer to the deadline to acquire one from a bottom feeder. I am more inclined to wait so kids like Barlas and Foster have an opportunity to step up. Same goes for the Import spot.

I think the 67’s will be strong enough if healthy to get out to a decent start. Hell, last year they had a really good start cracking the CHL Top 10 until they started to fall off with all the injuries. Losing Beck for months on end was tough. They started 10-5-1. Then the injuries hit. They went on a 2-11-1 stretch heading into the Christmas break. That killed their season.

Just because he is signed does not mean that he will go pro although it is usually a good indication. He still has to show that he has the skillset.

Beck I agree he has to show that he is healthy and can play at the top level.

Stonehouse has proven that he has an edge but he has to prove that he can put the puck in the net. Needs to have a break out point year.

The big thing I think this team needs to improve it's game in their own end as well as putting it in the net.

I agree though unless a sweetheart deal comes along or Boyd can make a trade that includes some of the young guys who are not going to make the team then it is better to let people show what they have.

There is not a lot of depth on this team going into this year on forward.

 

[OMG67]

Just because he is signed does not mean that he will go pro although it is usually a good indication. He still has to show that he has the skillset.

Beck I agree he has to show that he is healthy and can play at the top level.

Stonehouse has proven that he has an edge but he has to prove that he can put the puck in the net. Needs to have a break out point year.

The big thing I think this team needs to improve it's game in their own end as well as putting it in the net.

I agree though unless a sweetheart deal comes along or Boyd can make a trade that includes some of the young guys who are not going to make the team then it is better to let people show what they have.

There is not a lot of depth on this team going into this year on forward.

If we are preparing or projecting next year, you need to project based on the highly probable outcomes and that would be Matier and Beck being gone. It would be utterly shocking for either to return as OAs. Matier has an NHL contract. His performance would have to fall straight off the edge of a flat Earth for him to not graduate. Beck would need to have serious continued health issues and that is not likely and if he did, it would lay question as to whether he woeful play at all next year.

Stonehouse is not a scoring machine nor should we look at him as such. He may develop a similar output as Lance did but it’s not like he will be counted upon to score 40 goals at any point in his career. He is out there to agitate and draw penalties etc. he opens room for other players to succeed. He’s the guy that allows for plays to happen while not touching the puck. His line mates and PP units get the actual points.

I think we should work within the parameters of the probable outcomes and not work on the fringes of the remote chances of stuff happening or not.

It is reasonable to assume a player or two will step up somewhat unexpectedly. That is the essence of Junior hockey. All of a sudden a player gets an opportunity and knocks it out of the park and is a key contributor. Happens virtually every year. It is reasonable to expect one or two guys on Ottawa will fit that expectation. It is also reasonable to assume players won’t take a step backwards. They usually at minimum remain status quo. But as they age, they get stronger and their skills increase, this they become more impactful. It is reasonable to assume the group as a whole will get 20-30% better as a team because there are no key graduates that need to be replaced.

This team will contend in the division and conference based on the normal improvements in skill and strength we see annually across the League. It would be a pretty odd outcome for the 67s if their existing talent all stagnates and no one jumps up and makes a leap forward. Could that happen? Yes. Is it likely? Hell no.

This management team is preparing for a run this season regardless of whether Kasper signs or doesn’t. The one thing I don’t know is how well other teams are positioned. There will be competition but I don’t see any juggernauts out there that are obvious World Beaters.

 

[Devin]

So is kasper joining or not

 

[OMG67]

So is kasper joining or not

Doesn’t look like it but there is still runway between now and then for Boyd to do a sell job on Yzerman.

 

[beastintheeast]

If we are preparing or projecting next year, you need to project based on the highly probable outcomes and that would be Matier and Beck being gone. It would be utterly shocking for either to return as OAs. Matier has an NHL contract. His performance would have to fall straight off the edge of a flat Earth for him to not graduate. Beck would need to have serious continued health issues and that is not likely and if he did, it would lay question as to whether he woeful play at all next year.

Stonehouse is not a scoring machine nor should we look at him as such. He may develop a similar output as Lance did but it’s not like he will be counted upon to score 40 goals at any point in his career. He is out there to agitate and draw penalties etc. he opens room for other players to succeed. He’s the guy that allows for plays to happen while not touching the puck. His line mates and PP units get the actual points.

I think we should work within the parameters of the probable outcomes and not work on the fringes of the remote chances of stuff happening or not.

It is reasonable to assume a player or two will step up somewhat unexpectedly. That is the essence of Junior hockey. All of a sudden a player gets an opportunity and knocks it out of the park and is a key contributor. Happens virtually every year. It is reasonable to expect one or two guys on Ottawa will fit that expectation. It is also reasonable to assume players won’t take a step backwards. They usually at minimum remain status quo. But as they age, they get stronger and their skills increase, this they become more impactful. It is reasonable to assume the group as a whole will get 20-30% better as a team because there are no key graduates that need to be replaced.

This team will contend in the division and conference based on the normal improvements in skill and strength we see annually across the League. It would be a pretty odd outcome for the 67s if their existing talent all stagnates and no one jumps up and makes a leap forward. Could that happen? Yes. Is it likely? Hell no.

This management team is preparing for a run this season regardless of whether Kasper signs or doesn’t. The one thing I don’t know is how well other teams are positioned. There will be competition but I don’t see any juggernauts out there that are obvious World Beaters.

I agree with what you are saying but I still think that Matier is going to have to step up and show that he is a leader and that he can play at a higher level. That is also what this team is going to need is a player on the defence that is a go to player that can play on the PP maybe not as a scorer but as the responsible person to allow the other D to take chances.

As to Stonehouse I agree he is not a goal scorer and is an agitator but there is no reason that he can not be setting up and assisting on goals.

Beck is an unknown in that we do not know what the issue was. However, the NHL does and I am sure Team Canada does. I think that he needs to step up and have a year where he shines maybe not with high goal totals but with a high point total. He has to do something that makes the Flames stand up and say we need to sign him.

Do I see them coming back as OA no I agree it is not likely if they have a good season they are gone to the NHL/AHL/ECHL. Remember not all drafted players get contracts.

As to Kaspar I think the best thing that Cameron can do is plan his team without him. Leave that to Boyd who I am sure by now knows the answer.

I am looking forward to seeing who comes back with the itch and drive. We have a lot of players that should want to turn scouts heads and make them think. Barlas, Pinelli, and Gerrior need to stp up and be the third line players that can be counted on.

The main thing is that this team needs to learn how to score.

The one thing we also have to look at is Cameron now that he has his team what is he going to do with it.

 

[OMG67]

With respect to players that need to step up, I agree. Pinelli has already shown he is elevated above the 3rd line. He is a capable 1st/2nd line winger. Gerrior is probably what he is, a 3rd liner. He’s a small’ish 9th round OHL pick. He plays a strong pursuit game and he can chip in some points but I think if he can solidify himself as an aggressive forecheck 3rd line winger that can play strong defensively, he will have exceeded all expectations. Barlas is a bit of an enigma. He just never found a groove. He’s a first round pick and he needs to elevate his game to another level. Period. If he cannot separate himself from the rest of the ‘05s then he is in serious trouble and there would be no sense keeping him in this environment. I have a feeling he will come back this season with a different mindset and will show much better than he did last year. Foster had a standout year last season in the NOJHL. I think he comes in with similar expectations as a 17 year old Jack Quinn or at least that’s what I expect. I think he is capable of playing top 9 for sure and should put up 30 points Playing a secondary role.

On the back end, I see no reason why both Mayich and Sirman do not take a step forward. Bigger and stronger. More assertive. Higher levels of confidence. The injury to Sawyer is what concerns me. He needed to come back fresh this season with higher confidence and more strength. I worry that his injury set him back and will put him in a bad mindset. He may struggle finding a spot if both Mayich and Sirman step forward. Gill-Shane should be in the same category as Sirman and Mayich but I have a little bit if a higher expectation for him. Big frame and skates really well. He’s probably the single player that I am looking forward to seeing if he can make a leap. He has the skill and size to do so. If he can find more confidence and a hunger to hurt people, he could be a beast back there. I’m not expecting anything more from Sawyer. I sort of put him in the same category as Gerrior. We may have squeezed as much as we can out of their potential. Same with Costantini. He is what he is.

 

[WaW]

Doesn’t look like it but there is still runway between now and then for Boyd to do a sell job on Yzerman.

Probably better for you, that Yzerman told Kasper's camp to play wherever they think is best for him.

If Yzerman was making the call unilaterally it would be Rogle 100% given how strong the SHL development has been for Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson, particularly with Zetterberg, Lindstrom, and Kronwall all located nearby who all do prospect development work for the Red Wings.

I think he chooses Rogle. Rogle's Head Coach came to the NHL draft to meet immediately with whichever GM selected Kasper, because they want to keep him next year. Kasper also stated he is going back to Rogle on his Instagram as mentioned prior, but ultimately the priority for Kasper and Yzerman is for Kasper to get competitive minutes at centre. I think Rogle will provide 2nd line C role, which is the best situation, but if at any point ice time becomes an issue or Rogle tries playing him on the wing, Yzerman might step in and move Kasper to the 67s. So it very well could be a mid-season addition or something of that sort for you guys as well.

 

[OMG67]

Probably better for you, that Yzerman told Kasper's camp to play wherever they think is best for him.

If Yzerman was making the call unilaterally it would be Rogle 100% given how strong the SHL development has been for Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson, particularly with Zetterberg, Lindstrom, and Kronwall all located nearby who all do prospect development work for the Red Wings.

I think he chooses Rogle. Rogle's Head Coach came to the NHL draft to meet immediately with whichever GM selected Kasper, because they want to keep him next year. Kasper also stated he is going back to Rogle on his Instagram as mentioned prior, but ultimately the priority for Kasper and Yzerman is for Kasper to get competitive minutes at centre. I think Rogle will provide 2nd line C role, which is the best situation, but if at any point ice time becomes an issue or Rogle tries playing him on the wing, Yzerman might step in and move Kasper to the 67s. So it very well could be a mid-season addition or something of that sort for you guys as well.

I’m not sure about a mid-season addition. That happens so rarely.

To me the question is what you said regarding 2C. If he is 2C and playing 20 minutes per night with PP and PK time, then I agree he would probably be better suited staying in Rogle. However, if he is begrudgingly granted 2C role to placate Detroit and doesn’t figure to fit into the first PP and PK and ends up at around 16 minutes per game playing primarily only 5 on 5, I’m not sure that situation is better than the 67’s.

The Red Wings are going to have to seriously look at the depth chart at Rogle and ask very specific questions.

In Ottawa, he’d play 1st line centre with a potential 50 goal scorer in Jack Beck. He’d be on the first PP unit and probably the first PK unit. He’d probably play 22 minutes per game. In addition, he’d play 68 games plus a longer playoff schedule as well as be positioned to compete for a Memorial Cup run.

Ottawa also has access to top of class coaching and development/training. Dave Cameron is an ex-NHL Coach with significant experience as a winner and developer of talent at the CHL level.

So, he’d play more minutes per game, more games, longer playoff and play in all situations as a leader If he were to play in Ottawa. Is playing with men in Sweden that much better than what he can get in Ottawa? In some respects, yes. But I am not sold on him developing in a Euro-Centric environment when he is a 200’ player playing on 100’ wide ice vs 80’ wide ice. He’s not looked upon as an elite scorer. He’s going to be that elite #2 centre with a 200’ game. I don’t see him developing that 200’ game better in Rogle. Just my personal opinion.

 

[HockeyPops]

I think mid season happens more often than so rarely. In recent history for the Soo, none of Sandin, Pytlik, or Malik started the season here, but came over partway through for varying reasons.

 

[OMG67]

I think mid season happens more often than so rarely. In recent history for the Soo, none of Sandin, Pytlik, or Malik started the season here, but came over partway through for varying reasons.

What is the percentage? 2%? I know there are examples. Even Mysak is an example. But, when you look at the number of CHL Imports and the number that come over mid-way, it really isn’t very high. This is why I suggest it is rare. It’s like trying to judge whether an NHL signed players will return as an OA. Can it happen? YEs. Does it happen? Now and then. But would you count on it? Probably not.

If I were Ottawa, I’d be more likely to release Kasper and trade for another impact Import if one is available. I probably wouldn’t take a chance and retain rights unless I was pretty certain there was a bonafide chance of it happening.

But, I do get your point and it is valid. Just not sure Ottawa would operate based on that risk or not.

 

[HockeyPops]

Wouldn't you be able to keep Kasper's rights while still trading for another import since he was a first rounder and already signed?

 

[OMG67]

Wouldn't you be able to keep Kasper's rights while still trading for another import since he was a first rounder and already signed?

I think you are right but I’m not exactly sure how that works. I thought it was having af fist round NHL Import allowed you to use your draft pick. But, that was to provide a level of certainty because the Import draft was always after the NHL Draft. I’m not sure if it allows you to acquire a third player after the fact but it would make sense.

I’m not sure the 67’s would be able to Trade for a player without releasing existing rights. you are right from the perspective they can draft a player though so it probably would be the same no matter how the player is acquired.

 

[beastintheeast]

What is the percentage? 2%? I know there are examples. Even Mysak is an example. But, when you look at the number of CHL Imports and the number that come over mid-way, it really isn’t very high. This is why I suggest it is rare. It’s like trying to judge whether an NHL signed players will return as an OA. Can it happen? YEs. Does it happen? Now and then. But would you count on it? Probably not.

If I were Ottawa, I’d be more likely to release Kasper and trade for another impact Import if one is available. I probably wouldn’t take a chance and retain rights unless I was pretty certain there was a bonafide chance of it happening.

But, I do get your point and it is valid. Just not sure Ottawa would operate based on that risk or not.

Yes the SHL has a shorter season but that is actually a plus for Detroit.

Once the SHL season ends he would then have the experience and skills to play in the AHL.

Remember the big plus to him is that he can play in the AHL this year and is not restricted t the NHL/OHL rule that others are.

That to me was also one of the factors I think Montreal looked at for the 1st pick.
One other thing to note is that Austria will probably be at the 2023 WJC which means that Kaspar would be doing a lot of flying.

The scenario I see is that he plays 2022 WJC goes to both camps, goes to the SHL, and plays until the Austrian training camp does the WJC and then Stevie Y decides if he flies back to Europe or suits up for Grand Rapids.

 

[beastintheeast]

With respect to players that need to step up, I agree. Pinelli has already shown he is elevated above the 3rd line. He is a capable 1st/2nd line winger. Gerrior is probably what he is, a 3rd liner. He’s a small’ish 9th round OHL pick. He plays a strong pursuit game and he can chip in some points but I think if he can solidify himself as an aggressive forecheck 3rd line winger that can play strong defensively, he will have exceeded all expectations. Barlas is a bit of an enigma. He just never found a groove. He’s a first round pick and he needs to elevate his game to another level. Period. If he cannot separate himself from the rest of the ‘05s then he is in serious trouble and there would be no sense keeping him in this environment. I have a feeling he will come back this season with a different mindset and will show much better than he did last year. Foster had a standout year last season in the NOJHL. I think he comes in with similar expectations as a 17 year old Jack Quinn or at least that’s what I expect. I think he is capable of playing top 9 for sure and should put up 30 points Playing a secondary role.

On the back end, I see no reason why both Mayich and Sirman do not take a step forward. Bigger and stronger. More assertive. Higher levels of confidence. The injury to Sawyer is what concerns me. He needed to come back fresh this season with higher confidence and more strength. I worry that his injury set him back and will put him in a bad mindset. He may struggle finding a spot if both Mayich and Sirman step forward. Gill-Shane should be in the same category as Sirman and Mayich but I have a little bit if a higher expectation for him. Big frame and skates really well. He’s probably the single player that I am looking forward to seeing if he can make a leap. He has the skill and size to do so. If he can find more confidence and a hunger to hurt people, he could be a beast back there. I’m not expecting anything more from Sawyer. I sort of put him in the same category as Gerrior. We may have squeezed as much as we can out of their potential. Same with Costantini. He is what he is.

I would love to see and rightfully think should expect this defence to be like the Ottawa D from the late 90's where nothing gets inside and the front of the net is clear.

We know Donoso can play a good game with weak defence With the size of the D comping back there is o reason not to expect them to be more forceful in front of their net and in the defensive corners. I would love to see one of the rookies take the Brian Campbell mindset that after each practice he stays out longer and practices with a couple of forwards.

 

[OMG67]

I would love to see and rightfully think should expect this defence to be like the Ottawa D from the late 90's where nothing gets inside and the front of the net is clear.

We know Donoso can play a good game with weak defence With the size of the D comping back there is o reason not to expect them to be more forceful in front of their net and in the defensive corners. I would love to see one of the rookies take the Brian Campbell mindset that after each practice he stays out longer and practices with a couple of forwards.

Theoretically, I think fromt he perspective of clearing the crease and perimeter, this defence should be able to do the job. Gill-Shane needs a little more agressivness in that regard but Costantini and Matier are both pretty good. Mayich and Sirman were rookies. They should take a step forward in that area.

Regarding the Brian Campbell reference, I think the only D-Man we have that would fall in his category is Mews. I’m reasonably certain he will get PP time but not sure how much ice he will get as. A D-Man 5 on 5. Such a log jam back there. I still have that feeling that we will see a Carter Robertson style deal with two 2nds getting traded for one of Mayich or Sirman. Even that doesn’t open up a regular spot for Mews without sitting a vet that has proven capable of starting.

 

[beastintheeast]

Theoretically, I think fromt he perspective of clearing the crease and perimeter, this defence should be able to do the job. Gill-Shane needs a little more agressivness in that regard but Costantini and Matier are both pretty good. Mayich and Sirman were rookies. They should take a step forward in that area.

Regarding the Brian Campbell reference, I think the only D-Man we have that would fall in his category is Mews. I’m reasonably certain he will get PP time but not sure how much ice he will get as. A D-Man 5 on 5. Such a log jam back there. I still have that feeling that we will see a Carter Robertson style deal with two 2nds getting traded for one of Mayich or Sirman. Even that doesn’t open up a regular spot for Mews without sitting a vet that has proven capable of starting.

Really there is only one way for Marrello and Mews to get regular ice time and that is to prove that they deserve it more than the returning players.

I agree there s going to have to be a trade made. Possibly out of camp. It is going to depend on what teams like North Bay and Hamilton decide they are doing this year. Are they taking a step back to retool if so then there are some good players available maybe a couple of D and a draft choice for a top center.

Again training camp is going to be interesting. A lot of players are going to be fighting for a couple of spots.

If I was a D on this team and wanted to stay here I would definitely be doing a lot of working out and ice time right now.

 

[dirty12]

Really there is only one way for Marrello and Mews to get regular ice time and that is to prove that they deserve it more than the returning players.

I agree there s going to have to be a trade made. Possibly out of camp. It is going to depend on what teams like North Bay and Hamilton decide they are doing this year. Are they taking a step back to retool if so then there are some good players available maybe a couple of D and a draft choice for a top center.

Again training camp is going to be interesting. A lot of players are going to be fighting for a couple of spots.

If I was a D on this team and wanted to stay here I would definitely be doing a lot of working out and ice time right now.

The NB Battalion will not willingly take a step back to re-tool. The 4th line looks to be comprised of ‘05 - 1st & 2nd picks along with 1st from the past draft or an 18 yr old. But to contend, they will have to be buyers because of how good Barrie, Missasauga, Peterborough, Niagara, and possibly Ottawa can be this season.
Due to the lack of player movement during the cancelled season and so many extra 2-4 picks used and/or still held by NB, Niagara, Ottawa, Barrie, Sudbury over the past 3-4 years, the eastern conference should be pretty loaded for a couple of seasons.
Imo, if the ‘67s intend to contend this season, they will need Boucher and Kasper and move a top pick from the ‘05 or ‘06 classes.

 

[OMG67]

Really there is only one way for Marrello and Mews to get regular ice time and that is to prove that they deserve it more than the returning players.

I agree there s going to have to be a trade made. Possibly out of camp. It is going to depend on what teams like North Bay and Hamilton decide they are doing this year. Are they taking a step back to retool if so then there are some good players available maybe a couple of D and a draft choice for a top center.

Again training camp is going to be interesting. A lot of players are going to be fighting for a couple of spots.

If I was a D on this team and wanted to stay here I would definitely be doing a lot of working out and ice time right now.

How do you see this all unfolding on the back end?

Sawyer is out to start the season. It is unlikely he will be ready. Earlier indications had him out through end of October. Not good news for him but I think this will allow the 67’s a little flexibility.

I like Smyth. He brings some size to the back end. However, as I mentioned previously, he probably has already reached his true ceiling. No matter what happens, he is probably going to stay as the 6/7 guy in and out of th lineup depending on the opponent. So, for the sake of this, let’s look at him as #7.

So, to start the season, we have 6 open spots.

Matier, Costantini, Gill-Shane, Mayich, and Sirman have all proven they are capable OHL D-Men. Other than Costantini, they all have a higher ceiling than their past performances.

That leaves one open spot and the smart $$$ is probably on Mews to snag that last spot.

Additionally, if this team is seriously looking at a long playoff run, it is unlikely they will nail down two 16 year olds in the starting six so it is unlikely we see both Marrelli and Mews on the same lineup entering the playoffs.

Mews would get that last spot now but what about when Sawyer returns? You can’t have a decent 19 year old D-Man eating popcorn in the press box. He’s going to play. Someone at that point has to be removed from the starting six.

So, there are a couple ways to look at it. We could see:

1> Mews shifts to Forward as a Rookie and plays the point on the PP.
2> Sirman or Mayich is traded for a couple 2nds.
3> Marrelli is used as a trade chip at the deadline.
4> Sawyer is moved within a week or two of returning from injury.

If they did absolutely nothing, what does the defence look like next year?

Sawyer (OA) - GillShane (OA)
Mayich - Mews
Sirman
Marrelli
Smyth

Plus we have Ewles that could be plugged into this equation mostly because he is a righty. So, in light of this, we do have roster depth next season as well which negates the necessity to retain bodies.

NOTE: TJ and Donoso are the only other likely OA candidates so it is possible that both Sawyer and GillShane could return.

My prediction is Sawyer is traded shortly after he returns from injury. They may even extend his rehab etc. We have a lot of lefty D-Men on the depth chart and don’t need him to return as an OA next year. That frees up an additional OA spot to use as necessary. I think you’d get a decent return for him and it would also likely include a conditional 3rd rounder for him returning as an OA. So, a 2nd and conditional 3rd is a possibility in my mind. I think that is better overall value than two 2nds for either of Sirman or Mayich.

If Mews impresses straight out of camp, I know it sounds crazy but we could see him and Matier together as a pairing. I know I said he’d possibly be a forward this year but the more I look at it, the more I think Smyth is the spare part #7 and Sawyer is gone.

Matier - Mews
Mayich - Costantini
Sirman - GillShane
Marrelli - Smyth

I think they keep Ewles in the system and he may play as an 18 year old next year with potential spot duty this year.

That’s my prediction. Unless other moves are made that alter this, that is what I am thinking will be the case.

The NB Battalion will not willingly take a step back to re-tool. The 4th line looks to be comprised of ‘05 - 1st & 2nd picks along with 1st from the past draft or an 18 yr old. But to contend, they will have to be buyers because of how good Barrie, Missasauga, Peterborough, Niagara, and possibly Ottawa can be this season.
Due to the lack of player movement during the cancelled season and so many extra 2-4 picks used and/or still held by NB, Niagara, Ottawa, Barrie, Sudbury over the past 3-4 years, the eastern conference should be pretty loaded for a couple of seasons.
Imo, if the ‘67s intend to contend this season, they will need Boucher and Kasper and move a top pick from the ‘05 or ‘06 classes.

I don’t see North Bay as a seller. I don’t think I see them as a buyer either. I think they will retool a little and try to fit into that 4th seed spot and home ice.

But, just because they aren’t likely to bring in a marquis player, they will still bring in solid depth at a cheaper price. I think the net benefit of doing that would be beneficial enough to carry them. It is possible that Ottawa takes the exact same approach. No marquis players but a piece of two that strategically fill their needs.

 

[dirty12]

That is how I viewed NB too, built for 2023-24; up until Ertel committed to the battalion. The comments by Ertel and Dennis (GM) afterwards seemed both believe the team will contend for a championship.
Though that was before the brief trade window and import draft, and before August trade window and pre-season….

 

[OMG67]

That is how I viewed NB too, built for 2023-24; up until Ertel committed to the battalion. The comments by Ertel and Dennis (GM) afterwards seemed both believe the team will contend for a championship.
Though that was before the brief trade window and import draft, and before August trade window and pre-season….

It will be interesting. The one issue the team used to have is reporting. Tough to get no trades waived for acquiring marquis players. Not a sexy destination. It will be interesting to see whether they manage to snag someone of consequence.

 

[sirius67fan]

How do you see this all unfolding on the back end?

Sawyer is out to start the season. It is unlikely he will be ready. Earlier indications had him out through end of October. Not good news for him but I think this will allow the 67’s a little flexibility.

I like Smyth. He brings some size to the back end. However, as I mentioned previously, he probably has already reached his true ceiling. No matter what happens, he is probably going to stay as the 6/7 guy in and out of th lineup depending on the opponent. So, for the sake of this, let’s look at him as #7.

So, to start the season, we have 6 open spots.

Matier, Costantini, Gill-Shane, Mayich, and Sirman have all proven they are capable OHL D-Men. Other than Costantini, they all have a higher ceiling than their past performances.

That leaves one open spot and the smart $$$ is probably on Mews to snag that last spot.

Additionally, if this team is seriously looking at a long playoff run, it is unlikely they will nail down two 16 year olds in the starting six so it is unlikely we see both Marrelli and Mews on the same lineup entering the playoffs.

Mews would get that last spot now but what about when Sawyer returns? You can’t have a decent 19 year old D-Man eating popcorn in the press box. He’s going to play. Someone at that point has to be removed from the starting six.

So, there are a couple ways to look at it. We could see:

1> Mews shifts to Forward as a Rookie and plays the point on the PP.
2> Sirman or Mayich is traded for a couple 2nds.
3> Marrelli is used as a trade chip at the deadline.
4> Sawyer is moved within a week or two of returning from injury.

If they did absolutely nothing, what does the defence look like next year?

Sawyer (OA) - GillShane (OA)
Mayich - Mews
Sirman
Marrelli
Smyth

Plus we have Ewles that could be plugged into this equation mostly because he is a righty. So, in light of this, we do have roster depth next season as well which negates the necessity to retain bodies.

NOTE: TJ and Donoso are the only other likely OA candidates so it is possible that both Sawyer and GillShane could return.

My prediction is Sawyer is traded shortly after he returns from injury. They may even extend his rehab etc. We have a lot of lefty D-Men on the depth chart and don’t need him to return as an OA next year. That frees up an additional OA spot to use as necessary. I think you’d get a decent return for him and it would also likely include a conditional 3rd rounder for him returning as an OA. So, a 2nd and conditional 3rd is a possibility in my mind. I think that is better overall value than two 2nds for either of Sirman or Mayich.

If Mews impresses straight out of camp, I know it sounds crazy but we could see him and Matier together as a pairing. I know I said he’d possibly be a forward this year but the more I look at it, the more I think Smyth is the spare part #7 and Sawyer is gone.

Matier - Mews
Mayich - Costantini
Sirman - GillShane
Marrelli - Smyth

I think they keep Ewles in the system and he may play as an 18 year old next year with potential spot duty this year.

That’s my prediction. Unless other moves are made that alter this, that is what I am thinking will be the case.



I don’t see North Bay as a seller. I don’t think I see them as a buyer either. I think they will retool a little and try to fit into that 4th seed spot and home ice.

But, just because they aren’t likely to bring in a marquis player, they will still bring in solid depth at a cheaper price. I think the net benefit of doing that would be beneficial enough to carry them. It is possible that Ottawa takes the exact same approach. No marquis players but a piece of two that strategically fill their needs.

Good analysis of our D depth. I do agree that Sawyer is likely the odd man out and we can likely get a decnt return as you suggested. You also brought up the possibility of one of Mayich/Sirman being traded. I would be shocked Mayich is traded. Think about it OMG they played him on the top/second pairing with Matier all year so the brass obviously like him and he's going nowhere imo. As for Sirman I will agree it's possible but I hope not! I really like him. His edges are great, good puckhandler/passer and a mean streak. I know you disagree but I do think he can be that puck moving/pp quarterback as his ceiling as I don't see Mews in that role yet. Sirman needs to improve his shot though. I think you are bang on on Mews in that he likely gets third pairing/second pp until x-mas and then depends where we are. Let's face it he wasn't drafted 6th overall to play forward. Lastly I think you underestimate Smyth, he's more than a 7th D. Showed good hands and skating for a big guy...we shall see.

 

[dirty12]

It will be interesting. The one issue the team used to have is reporting. Tough to get no trades waived for acquiring marquis players. Not a sexy destination. It will be interesting to see whether they manage to snag someone of consequence.

NB is kinda sexy after a season that the battalion played in a conference final, had three graduates sign pro contracts, led the OHL in NHL drafted players, and just had a NHL drafted player de-commit from Cornel to join the team.

 

[beastintheeast]

Good analysis of our D depth. I do agree that Sawyer is likely the odd man out and we can likely get a decnt return as you suggested. You also brought up the possibility of one of Mayich/Sirman being traded. I would be shocked Mayich is traded. Think about it OMG they played him on the top/second pairing with Matier all year so the brass obviously like him and he's going nowhere imo. As for Sirman I will agree it's possible but I hope not! I really like him. His edges are great, good puckhandler/passer and a mean streak. I know you disagree but I do think he can be that puck moving/pp quarterback as his ceiling as I don't see Mews in that role yet. Sirman needs to improve his shot though. I think you are bang on on Mews in that he likely gets third pairing/second pp until x-mas and then depends where we are. Let's face it he wasn't drafted 6th overall to play forward. Lastly I think you underestimate Smyth, he's more than a 7th D. Showed good hands and skating for a big guy...we shall see.

sirius you are correct that all these players have soething to contribute.

Any other year would be awesome. This year we have needs that need to be filled at forward.
None of the players you mentioned is going to be the stand-up go-to defenceman that we need. Also, there are too many to juggle and give them ice time.

I think we will see a couple of D get traded this year. A lot will depend on who is interested and who they are interested in. Teams are not going to take players that they have no idea about.

Training camp and exhibition games are going to tell the tape.

To me, it is simple to trade 2-3 D this year early if we can

Take what we get for them and put it into a pot and see what we can get at the deadline.

I agree that this is not a team that is going to go Fronts crazy and trade the future of the franchise for 1 shot.

Boyd and OSEG know that would not be the best thing for a fan base.

Mews was drafted as a D but if we need to have him play forward then so be it. It will give him a chance to shine and show what he can do and it also frees ice time for Marcello and the other D

I just want a Defence that is going to clear lanes, move the puck out and get the rebounds and keep them away from the opposition.

 

[OMG67]

Good analysis of our D depth. I do agree that Sawyer is likely the odd man out and we can likely get a decnt return as you suggested. You also brought up the possibility of one of Mayich/Sirman being traded. I would be shocked Mayich is traded. Think about it OMG they played him on the top/second pairing with Matier all year so the brass obviously like him and he's going nowhere imo. As for Sirman I will agree it's possible but I hope not! I really like him. His edges are great, good puckhandler/passer and a mean streak. I know you disagree but I do think he can be that puck moving/pp quarterback as his ceiling as I don't see Mews in that role yet. Sirman needs to improve his shot though. I think you are bang on on Mews in that he likely gets third pairing/second pp until x-mas and then depends where we are. Let's face it he wasn't drafted 6th overall to play forward. Lastly I think you underestimate Smyth, he's more than a 7th D. Showed good hands and skating for a big guy...we shall see.

Agreed. Originally I thought they would need to deal one of Mayich or Sirman. This would have been a similar situation to Stratis, Robertson and Bahl. Too many D-Men at same age causing a log jam. They traded both Stratis and Robertson after they touted that trio as building blocks. At the time I was adamant about how stupid it was to draft three D-Men in the fist two rounds. Sure enough.

But, I think the one that makes the most sense to depart via trade is Sawyer. In that we definitely agree. We have enough quality depth behind him, especially on the left side, that we can make that sacrifice.

In a normal year or circumstance, I may agree with your assessment with Smyth but on this depth chart he cannot find a spot ahead of #7. He will flip flop with other players and get games in but if he is playing ahead of Sirman, for example, then it would mean Sirman needs to go. You cannot have three ‘04s. Refer to Stratis, Robertson, and Bahl above.