Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 3)

[Blasty15]

how do you know this?

Source: Trust me bro

 

[sirius67fan]

Last night's game, first and foremost it looks like Vinny is going to be ok. Likely out for a bit but no rush whatsoever to bring him back. Minty is gonna be something else when he gets his feet wet with the team. I had forgotten how good Beck was! I know he didn't get many points last night but his skating, hockey sense and defensive game are stellar. Seems to be clicking with Mo on top of it. Truly another great deadline acquisition. Now my little friend Stoney, he does give us a unique skillset doesn't he? His agitator skills combined with his desire and capacity to get to the front of the net are a key part of our team. Our PK is also impressive lead by Tolnai, Stoney and Gerrior in particular. The latter is an elite PK guy imo.

 

[beastintheeast]

how do you know this?

Just the attitude he has shown the fact that he demanded a trade, that he snubbed the Canadians. Just his attitude.
YES THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

Also he set the rules for where he would be traded and did not let the market set it.

Kingston did pretty well, but they might have done better with other teams if he had come back to Kingston and played to get traded.

I realize that part of that might have been Francis, but I am not sold that it was the Kraken as much as he did not want to go back to Kingston.

Tonight’s game was a bit sloppy at times. But, all in all a good performance.

I’d like to see Mintyukov after he has had a chance to get a few practices and games in. You can see he has the skills, just needs to get a stronger sense of where guys will be on the ice so he can anticipate better. Will be a treat.

Practice is where both he and Morrison are going to learn about their teammates. Learn Cameron's system and learn how to be part of the team.

 

[leafs4life94]

Just the attitude he has shown the fact that he demanded a trade, that he snubbed the Canadians. Just his attitude.
YES THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

Also he set the rules for where he would be traded and did not let the market set it.

Kingston did pretty well, but they might have done better with other teams if he had come back to Kingston and played to get traded.

I realize that part of that might have been Francis, but I am not sold that it was the Kraken as much as he did not want to go back to Kingston.



Practice is where both he and Morrison are going to learn about their teammates. Learn Cameron's system and learn how to be part of the team.

If Kingston comes out on the bad end of the trade I don't think it's going to be as much about Wright picking his spot rather than 16 year olds not waiving NTCs. I've heard rumours of both Bonk and Cristoforo nixing trades - if Kingston gets Cristoforo instead of McCarthy I don't think this would be such a big conversation.

 

[bobber]

Just the attitude he has shown the fact that he demanded a trade, that he snubbed the Canadians. Just his attitude.
YES THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

Also he set the rules for where he would be traded and did not let the market set it.

Kingston did pretty well, but they might have done better with other teams if he had come back to Kingston and played to get traded.

I realize that part of that might have been Francis, but I am not sold that it was the Kraken as much as he did not want to go back to Kingston.



Practice is where both he and Morrison are going to learn about their teammates. Learn Cameron's system and learn how to be part of the team.

Sorry I don't believe Wright demanded a trade. He knew he was being traded by Kingston. These players want to go where they feel they have a shot at a championship. Looking at the score board that is not Kingston. Apparently he said Windsor was a preferred destination. Might have been others but this is where he ended up. Habs snubbed him not the other way around. 67s really didn't need him. The moves they made along with the team they built they are a serious contender to win the league.

 

[NoQuit67s]

Tonight’s game was a bit sloppy at times. But, all in all a good performance.

I’d like to see Mintyukov after he has had a chance to get a few practices and games in. You can see he has the skills, just needs to get a stronger sense of where guys will be on the ice so he can anticipate better. Will be a treat.

There were a few plays were teammates expected Minty to be somewhere, and he wasn't. That will come after a few practices. However you can tell he has great timing as to when to jump into the offensive play, and he had a few great scoring chances.

Seems like we did not see a lot of Matier in the first? But when he got regular shifts in the 2nd and 3rd he dominated. Mews and Marrerelli continued to be paired often which was really cool in that type of game.

One thing that I had not noticed before is how burst and speed Dever has. Stood out a few times getting the puck and driving to the net, and another few times without the puck.

 

[OMG67]

There were a few plays were teammates expected Minty to be somewhere, and he wasn't. That will come after a few practices. However you can tell he has great timing as to when to jump into the offensive play, and he had a few great scoring chances.

Seems like we did not see a lot of Matier in the first? But when he got regular shifts in the 2nd and 3rd he dominated. Mews and Marrerelli continued to be paired often which was really cool in that type of game.

One thing that I had not noticed before is how burst and speed Dever has. Stood out a few times getting the puck and driving to the net, and another few times without the puck.

Dever has had a very unassuming .5 points per game. That is for sure. He’s been sneaky behind the scenes type of player. I still don’t know what type of player he will be next year. He is small’ish so he won’t make a physical presence at all. If he can score goals, he may become a pretty valuable player. If he can’t then he may end up a little but more like Varga.

 

[OMG67]

SHANE WRIGHT

If you believe what the NHL Insiders were saying and I think I do, then Shane wright chose his destination. What does that mean? It means he had to endorse where he went. What it didn’t mean is he chose one spot and said, “Get what you can. That’s where I am going.” There is a vast difference between having the ability to agree to where you go and choosing a destination.

There is an inherent understanding by both sides that they will each do their best to accommodate the other side. In this market with so many pretty big names available, that created a bunch of competition. IT is not often we see so many big names move. Wright, Harrison, Morrison, DelBelBelluz, Winterton, Pastujov, DelMastro, Mintyukov, Zhilkin, Beck, Arcuri, Bloom, Othmann and Kyrou (no particular order). That is a lot of big names. And that doesn’t include a lot of the secondary guys that were traded for significant assets like Haight, Zito, Dann, Fimis, Moore, Lavoie, Humphreys, Savard, White, Hayes, and Holmes Etc.

When there are so many different options and some of those options being very attractive, it will get teams to start thinking about value adds. I know it was a seller market and the prices were steep but even with steep prices, the price set by Kingston for Shane Wright was difficult for many to digest. Unfortunately for Kingston, they needed to recognize this a little earlier in the process and make a shift. That is assuming they did not get what they wanted in the end. IT looks like they wanted an established player ont he cusp of being a franchise type player that either scores at a point per game already as a forward or is poised to do so as a D-Man. That’s a tough ask for a team that wants to compete now. Instead of adding a player to your existing lineup, you end up “upgrading” a player on your existing lineup. The value proposition changes dramatically.

This clearly wasn’t an easy process. Kingston had a demand that was difficult for teams to reach. No trade clauses may have come into the equation. Who knows? What I do know is Kingston is a better team today. They traded a non-rostered player and got Meidima right now. That is found money to be honest.

 

[PuckStop75]

Two things:

1- Using picks, as you say, is a derferral. I agree. The difference is we are deferring an apple to an apple. We trade a half season of Rohrer next year for a half season of Morrison this year. Apple for apple. When you take a player like Mews this year for a half season of DelMastro, you trade 3.5 season of Mews for 0.5 seasons of DelMastro. Not quite apple for apple.
2- it isn’t often that teams just slightly making the playoffs are true big spenders the following season. There was a perfect storm in so far as the two #8 seeds with the 5th and 6th picks in the draft were serious buyers this year. Couple that with both teams having a lack of picks and you see why both traded their high ‘06s as well as their ‘05 1st rounders. If they had picks, they may have been able to at least avoided trading their ‘05 1sts at a minimum.

I’d like the 67s to avoid the pitfalls of not having picks by being disciplined in their approach for when to buy and sell.


I don’t have a confirmation but my understanding is tonight was a possibility. If that is true then we should expect to see him by next weekend in Barrie/Kitchener/OwenSound at the latest.

Its never truly apples to apples, you could argue in Ottawa's case they spent 9 players x4 years for 0.5 years of Mintyukov. The point I was making is that eventually the players have to go to re-coupe the picks or team has to adjust the development system to compensate for it. In Ottawa's case I doubt they leave 25/26 empty of 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks so at some point players will be traded.

Sarnia and the Petes spent themselves into the discussion and are crippled for the next few years. The GM's looked at their teams and realized it was this year or 4 years before their next run, the high end players they drafted were going to fall outside of the next contention year unless they did what Mississauga did. Each got a good 2nd line out of the deals and I would be surprised if one never mind both were in the finals; Missy will have a team equivalent to what they had this year next year and if developed properly back in the contention discussion in 24/25.

Ottawa will be looking at doing something similar to Missy next year, they will have good players (not WJC players but very good) to trade and refill the draft cupboard so that in the following year they can add around what is going to be a strong 05/06 group of players. Send Rohrer to Saginaw for a good junk of the picks that were just spent on Mintyukov. Time this move correctly and they could draft 2 imports and remain in a very competitive position next year.

 

[OMG67]

Its never truly apples to apples, you could argue in Ottawa's case they spent 9 players x4 years for 0.5 years of Mintyukov. The point I was making is that eventually the players have to go to re-coupe the picks or team has to adjust the development system to compensate for it. In Ottawa's case I doubt they leave 25/26 empty of 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks so at some point players will be traded.

Sarnia and the Petes spent themselves into the discussion and are crippled for the next few years. The GM's looked at their teams and realized it was this year or 4 years before their next run, the high end players they drafted were going to fall outside of the next contention year unless they did what Mississauga did. Each got a good 2nd line out of the deals and I would be surprised if one never mind both were in the finals; Missy will have a team equivalent to what they had this year next year and if developed properly back in the contention discussion in 24/25.

Ottawa will be looking at doing something similar to Missy next year, they will have good players (not WJC players but very good) to trade and refill the draft cupboard so that in the following year they can add around what is going to be a strong 05/06 group of players. Send Rohrer to Saginaw for a good junk of the picks that were just spent on Mintyukov. Time this move correctly and they could draft 2 imports and remain in a very competitive position next year.

100%. At least draft one quality 17 year old import next June and one the following year. That is imperative.

They will go into next season with the same problem they had this season… too many bodies. 18 roster players all capable OHLers right now, let alone next year. They may need to move a player in the pre-season.

I’m thinking it is probable they trade one of their 3rds in this draft for a 3rd and 4th in 2025 to fill that gap. Either that or one of their 4ths for a 3rd later.

There may also be some teams willing to move some 2027 picks for picks this year too. Time will tell.

What is Rohrer’s value? I’m thinking somewhere in the range of 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th? Depends on what he does rest of this year. I don’t think he is quite strong enough to be considered a must have like a Morrison or Mintyukov. I think he’ll be a step below.

 

[PuckStop75]

100%. At least draft one quality 17 year old import next June and one the following year. That is imperative.

They will go into next season with the same problem they had this season… too many bodies. 18 roster players all capable OHLers right now, let alone next year. They may need to move a player in the pre-season.

I’m thinking it is probable they trade one of their 3rds in this draft for a 3rd and 4th in 2025 to fill that gap. Either that or one of their 4ths for a 3rd later.

There may also be some teams willing to move some 2027 picks for picks this year too. Time will tell.

What is Rohrer’s value? I’m thinking somewhere in the range of 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th? Depends on what he does rest of this year. I don’t think he is quite strong enough to be considered a must have like a Morrison or Mintyukov. I think he’ll be a step below.

Lots of options to get there that is for sure, Vinny is 1.2+ a game player, if he has a good playoff I would expect what you reference to be the low water mark at the deadline and higher if they were to make a deal prior to the draft that gives a team a full season of his services. I would target Saginaw and Kingston with a Donoso sweetener; and there is always Niagara willing to throw draft picks around... LOL

 

[mianjo]

Tonight’s game was a bit sloppy at times. But, all in all a good performance.

I’d like to see Mintyukov after he has had a chance to get a few practices and games in. You can see he has the skills, just needs to get a stronger sense of where guys will be on the ice so he can anticipate better. Will be a treat.

It sounds like that lineup that was announced by the 67's was that they were not sure Mintyukov was going to be in town as his plane was delayed, he finally arrived at the airport and was taken straight to the Civic centre where he said he wanted to play and did.

 

[dirty12]

SHANE WRIGHT

If you believe what the NHL Insiders were saying and I think I do, then Shane wright chose his destination. What does that mean? It means he had to endorse where he went. What it didn’t mean is he chose one spot and said, “Get what you can. That’s where I am going.” There is a vast difference between having the ability to agree to where you go and choosing a destination.

There is an inherent understanding by both sides that they will each do their best to accommodate the other side. In this market with so many pretty big names available, that created a bunch of competition. IT is not often we see so many big names move. Wright, Harrison, Morrison, DelBelBelluz, Winterton, Pastujov, DelMastro, Mintyukov, Zhilkin, Beck, Arcuri, Bloom, Othmann and Kyrou (no particular order). That is a lot of big names. And that doesn’t include a lot of the secondary guys that were traded for significant assets like Haight, Zito, Dann, Fimis, Moore, Lavoie, Humphreys, Savard, White, Hayes, and Holmes Etc.

When there are so many different options and some of those options being very attractive, it will get teams to start thinking about value adds. I know it was a seller market and the prices were steep but even with steep prices, the price set by Kingston for Shane Wright was difficult for many to digest. Unfortunately for Kingston, they needed to recognize this a little earlier in the process and make a shift. That is assuming they did not get what they wanted in the end. IT looks like they wanted an established player ont he cusp of being a franchise type player that either scores at a point per game already as a forward or is poised to do so as a D-Man. That’s a tough ask for a team that wants to compete now. Instead of adding a player to your existing lineup, you end up “upgrading” a player on your existing lineup. The value proposition changes dramatically.

This clearly wasn’t an easy process. Kingston had a demand that was difficult for teams to reach. No trade clauses may have come into the equation. Who knows? What I do know is Kingston is a better team today. They traded a non-rostered player and got Meidima right now. That is found money to be honest.

SHANE WRIGHT

If you believe what the NHL Insiders were saying and I think I do, then Shane wright chose his destination. What does that mean? It means he had to endorse where he went. What it didn’t mean is he chose one spot and said, “Get what you can. That’s where I am going.” There is a vast difference between having the ability to agree to where you go and choosing a destination.

There is an inherent understanding by both sides that they will each do their best to accommodate the other side. In this market with so many pretty big names available, that created a bunch of competition. IT is not often we see so many big names move. Wright, Harrison, Morrison, DelBelBelluz, Winterton, Pastujov, DelMastro, Mintyukov, Zhilkin, Beck, Arcuri, Bloom, Othmann and Kyrou (no particular order). That is a lot of big names. And that doesn’t include a lot of the secondary guys that were traded for significant assets like Haight, Zito, Dann, Fimis, Moore, Lavoie, Humphreys, Savard, White, Hayes, and Holmes Etc.

When there are so many different options and some of those options being very attractive, it will get teams to start thinking about value adds. I know it was a seller market and the prices were steep but even with steep prices, the price set by Kingston for Shane Wright was difficult for many to digest. Unfortunately for Kingston, they needed to recognize this a little earlier in the process and make a shift. That is assuming they did not get what they wanted in the end. IT looks like they wanted an established player ont he cusp of being a franchise type player that either scores at a point per game already as a forward or is poised to do so as a D-Man. That’s a tough ask for a team that wants to compete now. Instead of adding a player to your existing lineup, you end up “upgrading” a player on your existing lineup. The value proposition changes dramatically.

This clearly wasn’t an easy process. Kingston had a demand that was difficult for teams to reach. No trade clauses may have come into the equation. Who knows? What I do know is Kingston is a better team today. They traded a non-rostered player and got Meidima right now. That is found money to be honest.

Windsor gave Kingston the package closest to what they were asking. That is why Windsor has Wright on it’s roster.
It’s pretty clear Kingston wanted a RD; Akey or Bonk, and probably Mews or Christoforo. It would not have helped if the process started earlier imo as Kingston seemed to wait as long as possible to get their coveted player.
Kingston ended up with Mediema and a RD from the USHL committed to Boston that they apparently feel could report. I don’t think there were any packages traded up until the deadline that would have made Kingston happier.

 

[sirius67fan]

Dever has had a very unassuming .5 points per game. That is for sure. He’s been sneaky behind the scenes type of player. I still don’t know what type of player he will be next year. He is small’ish so he won’t make a physical presence at all. If he can score goals, he may become a pretty valuable player. If he can’t then he may end up a little but more like Varga.

I don't think Varga is a good comp for Dever. Dever has a much higher ceiling, he's got hands!

 

[sirius67fan]

100%. At least draft one quality 17 year old import next June and one the following year. That is imperative.

They will go into next season with the same problem they had this season… too many bodies. 18 roster players all capable OHLers right now, let alone next year. They may need to move a player in the pre-season.

I’m thinking it is probable they trade one of their 3rds in this draft for a 3rd and 4th in 2025 to fill that gap. Either that or one of their 4ths for a 3rd later.

There may also be some teams willing to move some 2027 picks for picks this year too. Time will tell.

What is Rohrer’s value? I’m thinking somewhere in the range of 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th? Depends on what he does rest of this year. I don’t think he is quite strong enough to be considered a must have like a Morrison or Mintyukov. I think he’ll be a step below.

I see three players on the block next year and maybe as much as five depending on the development of our D.
1- as you mentioned Rohrer
2- Smyth or Sirman....or maybe both if it looks Mayich is back as an OA and our yound D are holding the fort.
3-Donoso could go to a contender who's looking for a #1
4- If Stoney is drafted ( he will be imo) and it looks like he's not back as an OA he could go and be worth a lot
2 years from now we will have a glut of potential OA's, Mayich, Stoney, Sirman, Smyth, Gerrior and Mckenzie

Imo Mckenzie is a lock as are Mayich and Stoney if they return so we will have many options to replenish our picks.

 

[sirius67fan]

As per JF Plante Boucher is week to week so not an imminent return. Too bad as I was hoping before Vinnie's injury we might have a full lineup against Sarnia to really gage us against good comp. Ah well. To me we need to see how we measure up to the Petes, NB, London, Windsor and Sarnia in the next 2 months.

 

[OMG67]

I don't think Varga is a good comp for Dever. Dever has a much higher ceiling, he's got hands!

He will get his chance to show them next season. That is when we will know what we have. Right now? Tough to say.

 

[OMG67]

Windsor gave Kingston the package closest to what they were asking. That is why Windsor has Wright on it’s roster.
It’s pretty clear Kingston wanted a RD; Akey or Bonk, and probably Mews or Christoforo. It would not have helped if the process started earlier imo as Kingston seemed to wait as long as possible to get their coveted player.
Kingston ended up with Mediema and a RD from the USHL committed to Boston that they apparently feel could report. I don’t think there were any packages traded up until the deadline that would have made Kingston happier.

The point I was trying to make is it was not Shane Wright that held up the process or dictated where he would go that stopped Kingston from getting a deal done.

As you said, Kingston simply had some significant and precise components they wanted and needed significant time and effort to work it out with teams.

 

[OMG67]

I see three players on the block next year and maybe as much as five depending on the development of our D.
1- as you mentioned Rohrer
2- Smyth or Sirman....or maybe both if it looks Mayich is back as an OA and our yound D are holding the fort.
3-Donoso could go to a contender who's looking for a #1
4- If Stoney is drafted ( he will be imo) and it looks like he's not back as an OA he could go and be worth a lot
2 years from now we will have a glut of potential OA's, Mayich, Stoney, Sirman, Smyth, Gerrior and Mckenzie

Imo Mckenzie is a lock as are Mayich and Stoney if they return so we will have many options to replenish our picks.

I originally agreed with respect to Mayich. However, Sirman has an element on his game that supports a bit more of an offensive role. If they feel they need a #3 offensive minded D-Man more than the defensive player, Sirman may stay and Mayich may go.

I think Donoso is gone at some point next year. MacKenzie is capable and may even be better right now. No sense holding him back another season. Makes no sense for MacKenzie to stay in that situation at all.

Pebbles is 50-50. We’ll likely know after the draft this season, like you said. Yea. I called him Pebbles.

 

[PuckStop75]

I originally agreed with respect to Mayich. However, Sirman has an element on his game that supports a bit more of an offensive role. If they feel they need a #3 offensive minded D-Man more than the defensive player, Sirman may stay and Mayich may go.

I think Donoso is gone at some point next year. MacKenzie is capable and may even be better right now. No sense holding him back another season. Makes no sense for MacKenzie to stay in that situation at all.

MacKenzie becomes the starter next year and Donoso will need to be moved prior to the season starting, that is not a good dynamic to enter camp with.

As a group physically I don't think they can afford to get rid of Mayich, he will be the only D with a the top 4 skillset over 6ft. They need Ewles and Horner to develop as RD. No disrespect to Mayich or Stonehouse but neither is on a trajectory to be in the AHL in their OA season, the dynamics around 18 year old draft picks, the 2 year signing period, FA and ELC slides benefits them playing their OA year in the CHL.

 

[PuckStop75]

Unless Beck has put on some serious weight they will be hard pressed to move him to the AHL with his injury history. It wouldn't shock me to see him signed on March 1st to protect his rights; for all the skill that is there, there is also some fundamental physical changes that have to take place, and Jack needs to learn to protect himself before he can play pro.

 

[dirty12]

The point I was trying to make is it was not Shane Wright that held up the process or dictated where he would go that stopped Kingston from getting a deal done.

As you said, Kingston simply had some significant and precise components they wanted and needed significant time and effort to work it out with teams.

Yeah, I agree that it was a tricky process having limited teams to deal with while having specific wants that were not really available and then have to ask kids to waive NTCs.
I just wanted to add to that I don’t think Kingston missed out on anything by waiting for the right deal.

I will add that for the most part the 16-17 yr olds were pretty good about accepting trades to different teams and cities.

 

[sirius67fan]

MacKenzie becomes the starter next year and Donoso will need to be moved prior to the season starting, that is not a good dynamic to enter camp with.

As a group physically I don't think they can afford to get rid of Mayich, he will be the only D with a the top 4 skillset over 6ft. They need Ewles and Horner to develop as RD. No disrespect to Mayich or Stonehouse but neither is on a trajectory to be in the AHL in their OA season, the dynamics around 18 year old draft picks, the 2 year signing period, FA and ELC slides benefits them playing their OA year in the CHL.

Although I do agree that making Mac the starter next year would be ideal ( provided we have a decent back up), I don't think we would get the best return for Donoso in the summer. Need to wait a few months in the season so the "contending" teams assess what they need. Goalies moved in the summer historically don't go for much but some have gotten good returns approaching the deadline. Dipietro, Mason to name a few, don't want to compare Donoso to them but he's a very good goalie in this league.

Unless Beck has put on some serious weight they will be hard pressed to move him to the AHL with his injury history. It wouldn't shock me to see him signed on March 1st to protect his rights; for all the skill that is there, there is also some fundamental physical changes that have to take place, and Jack needs to learn to protect himself before he can play pro.

I'm not counting on it but if he comes back we could get a Morrison like return for him next year!

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

The big difference between Wright and Morrison is that Morrison wants to be here. Wright seems to think that he deserves to be in the NHL and that the rules just as they were so he could become an OHL player should be changed for him. Yes, I know the OHL rule was changed but he still had to be given the special tag.

There was a reason that he did not go to Montreal and I think maturity and the CHL rule were the biggest reasons. There is no way Montreal would have kept him this long on their roster he would have been back in the OHL in November.

Now I just hope that if Minty is a done deal JB turns off the phone and goes on a holiday for the rest of the week.

When was the last time that Ottawa got 5200 tickets sold for a Sunday game

 

[OMG67]

Although I do agree that making Mac the starter next year would be ideal ( provided we have a decent back up), I don't think we would get the best return for Donoso in the summer. Need to wait a few months in the season so the "contending" teams assess what they need. Goalies moved in the summer historically don't go for much but some have gotten good returns approaching the deadline. Dipietro, Mason to name a few, don't want to compare Donoso to them but he's a very good goalie in this league.


I'm not counting on it but if he comes back we could get a Morrison like return for him next year!

Sometimes you need to resolve an issue while also do what’s best for the player when the move is not a Reilly of anything to do with the player in question. In that regard, if there is a team that can make proper use of Donoso and put him into an advantageous position and that opportunity comes in the summer, then so be it. So what’s best for the player, both Donoso and MacKenzie. don’t worry so much about the return.

I think Beck being a winger hurts him a bit from a trade value perspective. I think a 2nd, 2x 3rd, 4th is probably close to accurate from a value perspective provided he stays healthy, has a strong playoff and projects as a 90 point winger though next season.