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Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

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dirty12 said:
The OHL cup final is pretty big imo. Kids have one shot at getting to that game; whereas, some have five chances at an OHL final.
Wright had 2 goals, and an assist in the U18 final which Canada won. Wright broke the goals record, tied the points record of that tournament while ‘resting’ two games vs the tournaments weakest teams.
He was on the ON silver medal jr Olympic team.
How many winning teams has Morrison been on and lead?

Wright did not make the most of his chance last year only getting 14 pts in 11 games. His team lost the series to the much better Battalion PP & PK.

A WJC player for Canada at 17! That tournament was shut down for Covid. He has a chance to win this year.

Not necessarily. Montreal obviously had other ideas; draft a big winger, trade for a big centre, use two more picks by #33. NJ felt they needed to draft a D and apparently could not trade down and still do so. Arizona hopefully knows what they’re doing.
Seattle just got lucky.
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I understand what you are saying and I don’t disagree. However, the trades being made now are to win an OHL Championship. There is a player available that not only won an OHL Championship last year but also was the MVP of the playoffs for that OHL Champion. I’m not saying lightning will strike twice but he’s the only player in the League that has a chance for it to happen to.

I‘ve made no bones about wanting Morrison. I do think he compliments the team very well. Wright is a better player overall but I’m sort of stingy with trades so I lean to the cheaper guy. I’d hat to see Morrison end up in Peterborough and we lose the Conference Final with Morrison having lightning strike twice. At least if we are beaten by Wright, we’d still have Marrelli for three more seasons!
 
OMG67 said:
I understand what you are saying and I don’t disagree. However, the trades being made now are to win an OHL Championship. There is a player available that not only won an OHL Championship last year but also was the MVP of the playoffs for that OHL Champion. I’m not saying lightning will strike twice but he’s the only player in the League that has a chance for it to happen to.

I‘ve made no bones about wanting Morrison. I do think he compliments the team very well. Wright is a better player overall but I’m sort of stingy with trades so I lean to the cheaper guy. I’d hat to see Morrison end up in Peterborough and we lose the Conference Final with Morrison having lightning strike twice. At least if we are beaten by Wright, we’d still have Marrelli for three more seasons!
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I understand your position. Giving up the picks nearly equal to the cost of a top 5 OA forward plus giving a late ‘06-1st for Wright is a lot.
The ‘67s could very well be better off adding Morrison and some other player over Wright.
While I don’t believe there is a more impactful forward potentially available than Wright, I have not really argued what is best for the ‘67s.
Wright or Morrison + for the Petes; Wright easily imo.

My real issue all along has been the reaching for slivers of the truth to belittle the kid.

Merry Christmas to all
 
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dirty12 said:
I understand your position. Giving up the picks nearly equal to the cost of a top 5 OA forward plus giving a late ‘06-1st for Wright is a lot.
The ‘67s could very well be better off adding Morrison and some other player over Wright.
While I don’t believe there is a more impactful forward potentially available than Wright, I have not really argued what is best for the ‘67s.
Wright or Morrison + for the Petes; Wright easily imo.

My real issue all along has been the reaching for slivers of the truth to belittle the kid.

Merry Christmas to all
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That sort of thing happens all the time. Find all the reasons to prop a kid up and when they are up, find the flaws to tear him down.

I have no issues with propping the kid up. We do need to recognize the laws though.

The tough part is they are so young that the flaws may simply be situational where they haven’t had ample enough opportunity to prove competent.

Look at the Leafs for example. Premier elite forwards that need time to prove capable at overcoming the situations.

The challenge for the OHL GMs right now is whether they believe a particular player has the ability to contribute to the level of assets that it costs to acquire a player.

In that recent interview , Boyd mentions he has an OA spot and and Import spot open. That suggests he is looking to fill holes by using the cheaper roster spots. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.
 
OMG67 said:
That sort of thing happens all the time. Find all the reasons to prop a kid up and when they are up, find the flaws to tear him down.

I have no issues with propping the kid up. We do need to recognize the laws though.

The tough part is they are so young that the flaws may simply be situational where they haven’t had ample enough opportunity to prove competent.

Look at the Leafs for example. Premier elite forwards that need time to prove capable at overcoming the situations.

The challenge for the OHL GMs right now is whether they believe a particular player has the ability to contribute to the level of assets that it costs to acquire a player.

In that recent interview , Boyd mentions he has an OA spot and and Import spot open. That suggests he is looking to fill holes by using the cheaper roster spots. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.
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I’m sure a flaw with truth can be found though. Wright has been the leader and/or chosen leader on just about every team he’s played for. He’s won a World U18, OHL cup, a silver at jr Olympics …the kid’s been the best ON player in two age groups and a winner.
 
dirty12 said:
I’m sure a flaw with truth can be found though. Wright has been the leader and/or chosen leader on just about every team he’s played for. He’s won a World U18, OHL cup, a silver at jr Olympics …the kid’s been the best ON player in two age groups and a winner.
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With that comes a higher level of expectations. When the player doesn’t live up to those expectations, questions start to be asked and then that keeps getting louder.

1> Solid statistical season in 2021-22 but almost 20 points lower than one teammate and only slightly higher than two others. Question #1
2> Very average playoffs with a fairly strong Kingston team. Granted, North Bay was strong but it wans’t like Wright lit up Oshawa in round one. Question #2
3> Consensus 1st overall pick drops to #4. Granted, situationally speaking, the top 2 teams weren’t a good fit but for three teams to pass over what most still consider the best player available opens up more scuttlebutt. Question #3
4> Decides to skip the WJHC for Canada to concentrate on taking the next step as a Pro. Barely makes the team and hardly plays for 3 months. Question #4

Those are four rather obvious questions one needs to ask when evaluating whether Shane Wright is worth an ‘06 1st plus a basket full of high picks.

What have you done for me lately? That is a big question at this time of year.

Wright will have an opportunity to shine at the WJHC for Team Canada. He has an opportunity to shove his fist in the mouths of people like me that question whether he is worth what most seem to suggest he is from a trade perspective. I’m excited to see how he responds. Will he be the dominant leader he was always destined to be or will be jsut be another one of the contributors?
 
The question for Wright is what can he do when the spotlight is not on him?

I agree that he is a good player (Orr, and Gretzky were great players)

The fact that he has sat for most of the season and not beenin many games is part of the wonder.

Will he come back and just put in the time until he can go back and play AHL.

I like him and if it was the beginning of the season then fine.

an imperfect comparison is MDP he wwassupposed to be the rising star of the Canucks. He was the goalie of the future for them. OOPS

I started teh season saying Morrison and still think that he is the best fit as there is no ego. There is no this is the best of a bad opportunity.

Why he fell out of the first overall pick is in fact showing itself with this problem.

Montreal had a choice between a man-boy that had played and starred in 2 major tournaments and a CHL player.
The big point is they had a choice between a player that if he did not fit right away, they could send to the AHL to be better or someone that they would lose to the CHL.

Any other team would have sent him back to the CHL by now

I am willing to bet that Wright did not do himself any favours if he was asked about playing in Kingston with his answers.
 
OMG67 said:
With that comes a higher level of expectations. When the player doesn’t live up to those expectations, questions start to be asked and then that keeps getting louder.

1> Solid statistical season in 2021-22 but almost 20 points lower than one teammate and only slightly higher than two others. Question #1
2> Very average playoffs with a fairly strong Kingston team. Granted, North Bay was strong but it wans’t like Wright lit up Oshawa in round one. Question #2
3> Consensus 1st overall pick drops to #4. Granted, situationally speaking, the top 2 teams weren’t a good fit but for three teams to pass over what most still consider the best player available opens up more scuttlebutt. Question #3
4> Decides to skip the WJHC for Canada to concentrate on taking the next step as a Pro. Barely makes the team and hardly plays for 3 months. Question #4

Those are four rather obvious questions one needs to ask when evaluating whether Shane Wright is worth an ‘06 1st plus a basket full of high picks.

What have you done for me lately? That is a big question at this time of year.

Wright will have an opportunity to shine at the WJHC for Team Canada. He has an opportunity to shove his fist in the mouths of people like me that question whether he is worth what most seem to suggest he is from a trade perspective. I’m excited to see how he responds. Will he be the dominant leader he was always destined to be or will be jsut be another one of the contributors?
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I agree with those questions but you are omitting his strong AHL showing. You could also argue where he got drafted in the NHL was out of his control to a certain extent (especially if we are debating why a certain team didn’t select him vs. another).
 
ottsabrefan said:
I agree with those questions but you are omitting his strong AHL showing. You could also argue where he got drafted in the NHL was out of his control to a certain extent (especially if we are debating why a certain team didn’t select him vs. another).
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100% agree. 4 goals in 5 games is impressive. And when you consider he had hardly played up to that point, it is even more impressive.

However, five AHL games cannot erase the other 4 questions. The only way those questions get erased is by erasing them with his performance in the OHL the remainder of the regular season and playoffs. Unfortunately, the acquiring team won’t get a chance to evaluate that before that happens. They need to make a decision before we can see that.

We will get to see him at the WJHC but again, that is 7 games surrounded by other elite players. Still a valid evaluation tool for sure. But, again, I think there are a lot of people that truly want to see him gain success he was expected to provide last season.

The only question we need to answer as 67s fans is whether we feel the management of this team should mortgage a big piece of our future on Wright. I’m somewhat uncomfortable with it but on paper, without a doubt, he would be the best player available.
 
BTW the player that was drafted in the latest round of the OHL draft was Marc Yakabuski
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17th round 262nd pick
 
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OMG67 said:
100% agree. 4 goals in 5 games is impressive. And when you consider he had hardly played up to that point, it is even more impressive.

However, five AHL games cannot erase the other 4 questions. The only way those questions get erased is by erasing them with his performance in the OHL the remainder of the regular season and playoffs. Unfortunately, the acquiring team won’t get a chance to evaluate that before that happens. They need to make a decision before we can see that.

We will get to see him at the WJHC but again, that is 7 games surrounded by other elite players. Still a valid evaluation tool for sure. But, again, I think there are a lot of people that truly want to see him gain success he was expected to provide last season.

The only question we need to answer as 67s fans is whether we feel the management of this team should mortgage a big piece of our future on Wright. I’m somewhat uncomfortable with it but on paper, without a doubt, he would be the best player available.
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I agree five games won’t erase the questions about last year, but it is an indicator for the acquiring team that he should be dominant on his return. And for sure, the world juniors will also be key. If he dominates that one, along with the AHL, that should be enough for any team to know what they are getting for the playoffs.

I’d also argue that draft status (your question 3) shouldn’t be a consideration for what the 67s would be acquiring at the OHL level. If that were the case then they should avoid Morrison at all costs as he couldn’t even crack the AHL this year - a league that Wright lit up in his very short stint.
 
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Morrison is a fine player, no doubt; he is in the 3-5 range of all OA forwards. His worth is about VanVolsen, Mews, Beaudoin, or Marrelli + less than Wright.
Wright would be ideal for the Petes imo. I think the ‘67s would better off with (Morrison and Savard).
I think that if we are going to debate Wright’s relative worth as an individual rather than his worth to certain teams, it should be done without re-calibrating the measuring stick. Staflovsky, McDavid, …Wright’s pre-Covid projection are off the scale because they were not possibly going to be available at an OHL trade deadline.
These are some players traded at the OHL deadline in exchange for 16 yr old 1sts to use as a comparison; Dal Colle, Konecy, Brown, Raddysh, Thomas, Villardi, Tippett, MacTavish.
 
beastintheeast said:
Just out of curiosity.

How much does Wright affect the price of Morrison
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I don’t think it does. I was trying to put a fair value of the impact of Morrison vs Wright. The ‘67s would need Morrison and Savard and some hope to equal the impact of Wright on the Petes imo.
I don’t think more forward depth does anything for the Petes. I might for the ‘67s
 
AGranderson said:
Wright will be in Ottawa if returned to the OHL you heard it here first.
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You and ringing iron have both brought this up and you both seem quite convinced. If there's smoke there's fire I guess. I still have trouble wrapping my head about Wright in Ottawa.I do agree that Foster + picks makes more sense than Marelli and picks though. If K is going to make a run at the M cup Foster will be more of an impact player as a 18 y.o. forward than Marelli as a 17 y.o. D. I just have trouble seeing JB make that kind of move, just doesn't fit his philosophy.
 
I’d like to see Morrison and Grushnikov from Hamilton and Savard from SSM.

However, if Granderson is correct and Wright ends up in Ottawa, it would likely mean they are all in. There is no sense in Ottawa acquiring Shane Wright and then sit back and be proud of their accomplishments. Taht deal would cost a significant package. If they are willing to go down that road then they should be willing to go all out.

They’d then have to follow that up again next season with a small rebuild regardless s of their place int he standings.
 
beastintheeast said:
Just out of curiosity.

How much does Wright affect the price of Morrison
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Morrison is an OA. The cost of premier OA’s has been pretty standard for a few years now. Morrison is a great OHL player but he isn’t a God. He is a 100ish point player. HE does have a Championship and a Playoff MVP which is nice for sure but he isn’t a 130 point player. His value is set at two 2nds and three 3rds with the potential of a replacement piece as a filler kick in.

Typically what happens in deals like that is there are a few teams all willing to give the required pieces. Then it is a matter of asking the player where he wants to go as well as evaluating if the draft pick years have any significant variance. For example, if Peterborough wanted Morrison, they’d only be able to give 2025 2nds. That’s all they have. Does Hamilton want the picks earlier? Is there a team offering earlier picks?

And don’t underestimate the courtesy the better teams give the players with respect to choosing their destination. I think the more classy organizations will take slightly less preferential deals to satisfy the players. It pays dividends int he future when you have an organization generally regarded as respectful to players. It helps to get players to report. The Agents will support those franchises and the talk does get around.

Those are the areas of differentiation between deals. It is much more that than absolute best deal.

The one thing that I am waiting to see is if Mintyukov garners something different than Imports usually get. I think the Kyrou deal is pretty much the Benchmark for Mintyukov but he is borderline ‘06 1st plus picks value. But, he is an Import. Will he be the guy that breaks through the value ceiling on Imports? To me, that is the one to watch more than the Morrison deal.
 
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Shane Wright is not a 130 point player either. OA or 19 yo SW are the same thing as both are pure rentals and not returning. Both he and Morrison are 100ish pt players. Not saying the rest of what they bring are equal but I don’t see the gap between those players as an 06 1st if I’m being honest.
 
Knownothing said:
Shane Wright is not a 130 point player either. OA or 19 yo SW are the same thing as both are pure rentals and not returning. Both he and Morrison are 100ish pt players. Not saying the rest of what they bring are equal but I don’t see the gap between those players as an 06 1st if I’m being honest.
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And that has been my point from the very start of the discussion.

I guess it more comes down to how many players do you need and how many assets do you have to give up and/or willing to part with?

If you only need one player and have the assets, you may as well get the best one out there which is probably Wright.
 
Knownothing said:
Shane Wright is not a 130 point player either. OA or 19 yo SW are the same thing as both are pure rentals and not returning. Both he and Morrison are 100ish pt players. Not saying the rest of what they bring are equal but I don’t see the gap between those players as an 06 1st if I’m being honest.
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He might be a 130 point player. He put up almost 100 as a 17 year old, and 40 goals at 15. I’m not sure how you can definitively say he isn’t since he hasn’t played a game in the O this year and has lit up the AHL and has also played in the NHL this year (albeit not well there).

He is also 18 not 19.
 
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