Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[OMG67]

I don’t know what the right package is for Wright. I have a sense of what it should be but as Dirty has stated, Kingston and Saginaw may want a player more ready to contribute heavily net season as opposed to a 16 year old.

Foster has 13 goals and is on pace for 30 as a 17 year old. That is a tough player to give up at the deadline. I would imagine if he were to be made available, the picks would be less. He was a 2nd round pick and has a strong pedigree with award winning performance last season in the NOJHL with SSM and a solid start to this season. 16 year olds need a ceiling projection. I think Foster is mostly ready to play top 6 on average teams right now as a 17 year old. He can also play centre, although not as a top 6. I would imagine Kingston would want him over Marrelli.

Anything to do with Stonehouse would be a part two deal next season. Stonehouse is going nowhere this season. Kid has 17 goals and is an agitator that draws a lot of penalties. We get a lot of powerplays as a result of his antics.

 

[dirty12]

Rehkopf and Lardis arent options. Those guys are already producing. Not going to give up a point produicing top 6 F for another one. You trade a young guy who isnt ready to produce yet

Almost always true. But the team trading a #1 F wants it’s roster to look like a worthy host for the memorial cup not build a potential contender 2-3 years from now.

 

[OMG67]

The issue for Wright and Ottawa is simple. It is cost of acquisition. If Ottawa has a line on Morrison then he’d likely be much better value. If Ottawa truly wants to add three pieces, it makes sense to acquire the best available OA and go from there. Morrison AND Wright is overkill. You diminish the returns at that point.

If Ottawa cannot get Morrison, as much as I hate the projected trade return for Wright, Wright is the net best option. Ottawa needs an impact Centre. Those two seem like the only ones available right now unless Mississauga decides to make Beck and DelBelBelluz available.

 

[OMG67]

I should also add that teams will not give up a 16 year old that is already making an impact. Mews is unlikely to go anywhere. If he were to be included in a deal, I imagine the picks portion of it would be minimal if any. Or, there would need to be a Suzuki/Durzi combo type deal.

Mews has 6 goals as a rookie D-Man and was a captain of his under-17 squad. He has a very high ceiling and his play shows why already.

 

[DWI Dale]

Morrison AND Wright is overkill.

I think everything you said makes sense but this. There is no such thing as "overkill" over the span of 4 potential 7 game series. The best team on paper loses all the time. Regrets would be heavy if Ottawa lost to Wright in the semis.

Personally I'm of the belief that you go out and get the best available player if you're serious about winning a memorial cup. No regrets. All-in.


That said I'd be willing to trade a vital organ for an OHL championship in SSM.

 

[OMG67]

I wonder, with Zhigalov being an ‘03 and unlikely to return as an OA Import, would there possibly be a MacKenzie deal possible? Ottawa doesn’t need a goalie but Donoso is their starter and they have an Import spot available. If Kingston could turn the ‘03 Zhigalov into the ‘04 MacKenzie, that may be an interesting upgrade to next year’s roster without hitting this year’s roster.

I think everything you said makes sense but this. There is no such thing as "overkill" over the span of 4 potential 7 game series. The best team on paper loses all the time. Regrets would be heavy if Ottawa lost to Wright in the semis.

Personally I'm of the belief that you go out and get the best available player if you're serious about winning a memorial cup. No regrets. All-in.


That said I'd be willing to trade a vital organ for an OHL championship in SSM.

The point is you already have a team in place. Adding two players like this pushes guys further down the lineup and reduces ther minutes. If you push a 30 goal scorer to the 4th line, the player ends up with minutes not suitable. You take a 30 goal scorer and make him a 10 goal scorer. So, adding a second player of that calibre doesn’t have the impact because you are handcuffing an already suitable player.

EDIT:
That is assuming the guy you are pushing further down the lineup isn’t the guy you are using in the trade….

 

[OMG67]

I don’t mean to discredit Granderson because I highly doubt Boyd will go balls out to that degree but let’s look at the lineup if those deals were to happen:

Beck - Morrison - Rohrer
Pinelli - Harrison - Boucher
Gerrior - Tolnai (OA)- Stonehouse
Barlas - Gardiner - Kelly/Quick
Laforme

Mayich - Matier
Mintyukov - Costantini (OA)
Smyth/Sirman/Mews
Ewles

Donoso
MacKenzie

We’d still have an open OA spot to fill. I would imagine if all of that were to happen, the OA would replace Gerrior on the 3rd line and push Kelly/Quick off the roster with Gerrior replacing them.

 

[sirius67fan]

I wonder, with Zhigalov being an ‘03 and unlikely to return as an OA Import, would there possibly be a MacKenzie deal possible? Ottawa doesn’t need a goalie but Donoso is their starter and they have an Import spot available. If Kingston could turn the ‘03 Zhigalov into the ‘04 MacKenzie, that may be an interesting upgrade to next year’s roster without hitting this year’s roster.



The point is you already have a team in place. Adding two players like this pushes guys further down the lineup and reduces ther minutes. If you push a 30 goal scorer to the 4th line, the player ends up with minutes not suitable. You take a 30 goal scorer and make him a 10 goal scorer. So, adding a second player of that calibre doesn’t have the impact because you are handcuffing an already suitable player.

EDIT:
That is assuming the guy you are pushing further down the lineup isn’t the guy you are using in the trade….

OK OMG that's quite puzzling coming from you. Why would we want zhigalov?? Good goalie, yes. But imo not a significant upgrade on Mckenzie who's been stellar albeit on limited minutes. If Donoso underperforms or goes down I'd have no problems relying on Mckenzie. Besides we likely have Mckenzie for two more years which permits us to get a haul for Donoso next year. If amything if the Brass feels Zhigalov is an upgrade over both for this year, you trade Donoso which gives K a good goalie next year and we keep Mckenzie for two.

 

[OMG67]

OK OMG that's quite puzzling coming from you. Why would we want zhigalov?? Good goalie, yes. But imo not a significant upgrade on Mckenzie who's been stellar albeit on limited minutes. If Donoso underperforms or goes down I'd have no problems relying on Mckenzie. Besides we likely have Mckenzie for two more years which permits us to get a haul for Donoso next year. If amything if the Brass feels Zhigalov is an upgrade over both for this year, you trade Donoso which gives K a good goalie next year and we keep Mckenzie for two.

No. It is a way to not impact this year’s roster and give Kingston a player that makes more sense for them. So, instead of Foster and Picks for Wright, it is MacKenzie and picks for Zhigalov and Wright. Or some sort of thing “like” that.

 

[sirius67fan]

No. It is a way to not impact this year’s roster and give Kingston a player that makes more sense for them. So, instead of Foster and Picks for Wright, it is MacKenzie and picks for Zhigalov and Wright. Or some sort of thing “like” that.

Ok that makes more sense...lol

 

[dirty12]

I wonder, with Zhigalov being an ‘03 and unlikely to return as an OA Import, would there possibly be a MacKenzie deal possible? Ottawa doesn’t need a goalie but Donoso is their starter and they have an Import spot available. If Kingston could turn the ‘03 Zhigalov into the ‘04 MacKenzie, that may be an interesting upgrade to next year’s roster without hitting this year’s roster.

I alluded to this earlier, but with Stonehouse in place of Foster. Foster may be better than I am aware of..

The point is you already have a team in place. Adding two players like this pushes guys further down the lineup and reduces ther minutes. If you push a 30 goal scorer to the 4th line, the player ends up with minutes not suitable. You take a 30 goal scorer and make him a 10 goal scorer. So, adding a second player of that calibre doesn’t have the impact because you are handcuffing an already suitable player.

EDIT:
That is assuming the guy you are pushing further down the lineup isn’t the guy you are using in the trade….

Ie. Wakely was on pace for ~40 goals as the centre for Petrov moved to RW so Zito can be played with Petrov.

 

[OMG67]

I alluded to this earlier, but with Stonehouse in place of Foster. Foster may be better than I am aware of..

Ie. Wakely was on pace for ~40 goals as the centre for Petrov moved to RW so Zito can be played with Petrov.

Stonehouse is a key player. They can’t move Stonehouse.

Moving Foster would hurt a lot but he’s 17 and when they start to get deeper in the playoffs against teams like North Bay, it may get tougher for him to have the same impact. He’s a solid shooter but he doesn’t quite have the physicality or shifty skating to get his goals from the dirty areas quite yet. Pinelli can.

I’d be super bummed out if they traded him but if he were the key piece for Wright and Boyd made multiple deals to build this roster up, I wouldn’t be angry. He is the one 17 year old with the high ceiling that for the right deal, I could see him be moved. Is rather it be Barlas BUT Barlas may develop into a player that scores more dirty goals. Barlas may end up more valuable as a 19 year old.

Gardiner is the other 17 year old but he is looking really good at centre. I don’t think he can be dealt. I think it would have a heavier impact than either Barlas or Foster.

Of course, Pinelli os a front line play at 17. He is on the same situation as Stonehouse. Too valuable.

 

[DCruickshank]

Sorry for being blunt but if you think Owen Sound should be happy with the return for the ”Suzuki package” then you are sadly mistaken.

OS got:
one season of point per game production from Kirwin
Half season of Poirier (half useless OA)
2.5 years of a 3rd round pick D-Man (Woolley) that was average at best.
2nd
2x3rds
4th

That package is barely enough to cover Durzi as an OA D-Man. Durzi was the best OA D-Man available that season. If he were traded now, the comp would be two 2nds and two 3rds. That doesn’t even cover Suzuki that would cost an ‘06 1st and five picks alone.

Phillips was traded for the adequate package of three 2nds, two 3rds and a 4th. That package today would be bigger but I can’t say it was a rip off.

Suggesting that total package as being satisfactory is silly. That total package was garbage.

Covid had alot to do with your stats....kinda sounds like a fan wishes/knows their team should of jumped in...snooze you lose

 

[OMG67]

Covid had alot to do with your stats....kinda sounds like a fan wishes/knows their team should of jumped in...snooze you lose

1> I don‘t understand the Covid angle. It was January 2019. A Full year before Covid
2> This has nothing to do about a fan situation. Anyone with a brain and a grasp of trade history can understand the return for Suzuki and Durzi was puke in your mouth horrid.
3> Even if you include Phillips as a separate trade and incorporate the assets on an aggregate, the full trade value was a tire fire.

Owen Sound held out for more and they were left with one dance partner because Suzuki and Durzi were a package and players ended up using no trade clauses. Unfortunate but that is the risk a team takes when they wait out the market. They got burnt. Badly.

 

[DCruickshank]

1> I don‘t understand the Covid angle. It was January 2019. A Full year before Covid
2> This has nothing to do about a fan situation. Anyone with a brain and a grasp of trade history can understand the return for Suzuki and Durzi was puke in your mouth horrid.
3> Even if you include Phillips as a separate trade and incorporate the assets on an aggregate, the full trade value was a tire fire.

Owen Sound held out for more and they were left with one dance partner because Suzuki and Durzi were a package and players ended up using no trade clauses. Unfortunate but that is the risk a team takes when they wait out the market. They got burnt. Badly.

Agree to disagree...time to move on
Sure expect you guys to be all in this year...you have the resources to get it done!! I think this could be your year.

 

[OMG67]

Agree to disagree...time to move on
Sure expect you guys to be all in this year...you have the resources to get it done!! I think this could be your year.

You da man! Be well brutha!

 

[DCruickshank]

You da man! Be well brutha!

Lol

 

[beastintheeast]

I( would still prefer Morrison to Wright. The main reasons being

a. Morrison can come here earlier
b. right now, Seattle is thinking about ending him back, but that could change with an injury to a forward.
c. The price for Morrison is lower
d. Shane has not won anything, nor has he been to the M Cup.

 

[HockeyPops]

Shane has won quite a bit, including world juniors last year. He is captaining the team this year.

EDIT no, he didn't win that one. Thanks for correction.

 

[OMG67]

Shane has won quite a bit, including world juniors last year. He is captaining the team this year.

Wright didn’t play this summer.

 

[HockeyPops]

Wright didn’t play this summer.

Lol, thanks. Brain fart, forgot he didn't play 2022 attempt 2 this summer after playing last winter.

 

[OMG67]

Lol, thanks. Brain fart, forgot he didn't play 2022 attempt 2 this summer after playing last winter.

All good. I make more than enough for both of us! Sometimes the only time I take my foot out of my mouth is to put the other one in!

 

[beastintheeast]

Shane has won quite a bit, including world juniors last year. He is captaining the team this year.

EDIT no, he didn't win that one. Thanks for correction.

He has not proven himself as a leader in big game situations.

Let's face it for the past 3 years he has not had a chance in Kingston to show his chops and be the difference maker int eh Playoffs.

On the WJC front, he has been a player.

This was one of the things that I think hurt him in the draft.

 

[Ringing Iron]

Marelli + picks to KGN for Wright is what I suspect it’ll be

 

[dirty12]

He has not proven himself as a leader in big game situations.

The OHL cup final is pretty big imo. Kids have one shot at getting to that game; whereas, some have five chances at an OHL final.
Wright had 2 goals, and an assist in the U18 final which Canada won. Wright broke the goals record, tied the points record of that tournament while ‘resting’ two games vs the tournaments weakest teams.
He was on the ON silver medal jr Olympic team.
How many winning teams has Morrison been on and lead?

Let's face it for the past 3 years he has not had a chance in Kingston to show his chops and be the difference maker int eh Playoffs.

Wright did not make the most of his chance last year only getting 14 pts in 11 games. His team lost the series to the much better Battalion PP & PK.

On the WJC front, he has been a player.

A WJC player for Canada at 17! That tournament was shut down for Covid. He has a chance to win this year.

This was one of the things that I think hurt him in the draft.

Not necessarily. Montreal obviously had other ideas; draft a big winger, trade for a big centre, use two more picks by #33. NJ felt they needed to draft a D and apparently could not trade down and still do so. Arizona hopefully knows what they’re doing.
Seattle just got lucky.