Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[HockeyPops]

There are 5 teams that have won a championship in the last 10 years. The "proper way" to load up can only be a case study of these 5 teams IMO. Nobody else has proven that they know the "proper way". The proof is in the pudding.

2022 - HAM
2019 - GUE
2018 - HAM
2017 - ERI
2016 - LDN
2015 - OSH
2014 - GUE
2013 - LDN

Erie is probably the one team above that did not recover in a reasonable amount of time after their championship, so I would argue they also have not demonstrated the "proper way".

For the rest of the league, we should be looking to Hamilton, Guelph, London, and Oshawa for insight on how to load up the "proper way". Further analysis is required of each specific example - How many picks did they have going into the championship season, what trades did they make, how many picks did they have left after the trade deadline, what trades were made in the subsequent season to recoup assets, etc., etc., etc.

 

[DWI Dale]

There are 5 teams that have won a championship in the last 10 years. The "proper way" to load up can only be a case study of these 5 teams IMO. Nobody else has proven that they know the "proper way". The proof is in the pudding.

2022 - HAM
2019 - GUE
2018 - HAM
2017 - ERI
2016 - LDN
2015 - OSH
2014 - GUE
2013 - LDN

Erie is probably the one team above that did not recover in a reasonable amount of time after their championship, so I would argue they also have not demonstrated the "proper way".

For the rest of the league, we should be looking to Hamilton, Guelph, London, and Oshawa for insight on how to load up the "proper way". Further analysis is required of each specific example - How many picks did they have going into the championship season, what trades did they make, how many picks did they have left after the trade deadline, what trades were made in the subsequent season to recoup assets, etc., etc., etc.

Guelph and Hamilton both appear twice. Am I wrong to assume they did some kind of a sell off in between runs?

 

[sbpointer]

There are 5 teams that have won a championship in the last 10 years. The "proper way" to load up can only be a case study of these 5 teams IMO. Nobody else has proven that they know the "proper way". The proof is in the pudding.

2022 - HAM
2019 - GUE
2018 - HAM
2017 - ERI
2016 - LDN
2015 - OSH
2014 - GUE
2013 - LDN

Erie is probably the one team above that did not recover in a reasonable amount of time after their championship, so I would argue they also have not demonstrated the "proper way".

For the rest of the league, we should be looking to Hamilton, Guelph, London, and Oshawa for insight on how to load up the "proper way". Further analysis is required of each specific example - How many picks did they have going into the championship season, what trades did they make, how many picks did they have left after the trade deadline, what trades were made in the subsequent season to recoup assets, etc., etc., etc.

Interesting insight that the division is equal between the two conferences as well

 

[OMG67]

There are 5 teams that have won a championship in the last 10 years. The "proper way" to load up can only be a case study of these 5 teams IMO. Nobody else has proven that they know the "proper way". The proof is in the pudding.

2022 - HAM
2019 - GUE
2018 - HAM
2017 - ERI
2016 - LDN
2015 - OSH
2014 - GUE
2013 - LDN

Erie is probably the one team above that did not recover in a reasonable amount of time after their championship, so I would argue they also have not demonstrated the "proper way".

For the rest of the league, we should be looking to Hamilton, Guelph, London, and Oshawa for insight on how to load up the "proper way". Further analysis is required of each specific example - How many picks did they have going into the championship season, what trades did they make, how many picks did they have left after the trade deadline, what trades were made in the subsequent season to recoup assets, etc., etc., etc.

Great points. I do think there is a blueprint. I also think there are teams out there right now not really following that blueprint very well.

I will point out that Guelph in 2019 did get pretty lucky. They had a faulty room and needed to address that and did so with two seller trades followed by a bunch of buyer trades. They were lucky in so far as they were able to to both types of deals to rejigger their roster and the final trade was for pennies ont he dollar because OS was left with their pants down demanding too much for Suzuki leaving Guelph there to take advantage. Taht sort of fortune doesn’t happen often if ever.

 

[DWI Dale]

maybe they were a little lucky... but luck doesn't get you 2 cups in a decade. sound asset management, good scouting/drafting, effective development of young players, , as well as the ability to buy/sell when required are all part of the package.

i say that as a fan of a team that hasn't won a cup since mulroney was prime minister.

 

[sbpointer]

maybe they were a little lucky... but luck doesn't get you 2 cups in a decade. sound asset management, good scouting/drafting, effective development of young players, , as well as the ability to buy/sell when required are all part of the package.

i say that as a fan of a team that hasn't won a cup since mulroney was prime minister.

Agreed circumstances can be presented to you but you have to be willing/able to act on them.

 

[PuckStop75]

Great points. I do think there is a blueprint. I also think there are teams out there right now not really following that blueprint very well.

I will point out that Guelph in 2019 did get pretty lucky. They had a faulty room and needed to address that and did so with two seller trades followed by a bunch of buyer trades. They were lucky in so far as they were able to to both types of deals to rejigger their roster and the final trade was for pennies ont he dollar because OS was left with their pants down demanding too much for Suzuki leaving Guelph there to take advantage. Taht sort of fortune doesn’t happen often if ever.

Ottawa failed to acknowledge a weakness in the area of size and physicality that year. Its easy to poke fun at OS; hard reality: Ottawa is the team that missed out on the opportunity. They had the assets to utilize and didn't. Hopefully they don't make the same mistake this time.

 

[OHL4Life]

Ottawa failed to acknowledge a weakness in the area of size and physicality that year. Its easy to poke fun at OS; hard reality: Ottawa is the team that missed out on the opportunity. They had the assets to utilize and didn't. Hopefully they don't make the same mistake this time.

i dont know but i would have to think it ottawa was wlling to move a body, probably tolnai, they would have had suzuki and a champiionship.

 

[Mild Italian]

Ottawa failed to acknowledge a weakness in the area of size and physicality that year. Its easy to poke fun at OS; hard reality: Ottawa is the team that missed out on the opportunity. They had the assets to utilize and didn't. Hopefully they don't make the same mistake this time.

What means mistake? Ottawa thought, that Dipietro could steal them a game, when need be. Unfortenetly he got insured in game 2, if i recall correctly.Still Ottawa was ahead 2-0 at the time. Think about Suzuki beeing out for Guelph.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes not so much…. you can’t control everything.
Wasn‘t Guelph down by 2 in the 3. period against London in game 7?

 

[DWI Dale]

i will say this... good luck can't win you a championship but bad luck can lose you one.

lol

 

[OMG67]

i dont know but i would have to think it ottawa was wlling to move a body, probably tolnai, they would have had suzuki and a champiionship.

With what Guelph gave for Suzuki, I don’t think Ottawa would have even needed to give Tolnai.

The reality is if Ottawa/Boyd continue a hard stance on mot moving bodies at the deadline, it is unlikely they win anything.

We shall see if they year is any different.

 

[PuckStop75]

What means mistake? Ottawa thought, that Dipietro could steal them a game, when need be. Unfortenetly he got insured in game 2, if i recall correctly.Still Ottawa was ahead 2-0 at the time. Think about Suzuki beeing out for Guelph.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes not so much…. you can’t control everything.
Wasn‘t Guelph down by 2 in the 3. period against London in game 7?

Mistake was they went out and got 2 - 5'9 180lbs OA's who were completely ineffective in the finals against a much more physical Guelph team. Guelph had played through 2 very tough 7 game series against London and Saginaw and were battle tested, Ottawa had sailed through much of the regular season and the first three rounds of the playoffs. Any person who watched that series will tell you, Guelph dominated the games from the early parts of game three on; DiPietro wasn't saving that series. Picking up Suzuki and Durzi at the deadline was the final pieces they needed to push them over the top.

 

[OMG67]

i will say this... good luck can't win you a championship but bad luck can lose you one.

lol

To an extent. Guelph took full advantage of an opportunity with Owen Sound. Props to them for doing so.

I puked in my mouth when I saw that deal. I couldn’t help but think why wouldn’t Boyd be in on that right to the deadline? The only answer I could think of is he steadfastly stated he wouldn’t move roster players and exited the conversation leaving Guelph as the only suitor. If Boyd had a sense of what the pieces would truly have been, I doubt he exits that deal leaving that package going to Guelph.

If the Guelph situation hasn’t changed his mind on moving bodies, nothing will.

 

[OHL4Life]

To an extent. Guelph took full advantage of an opportunity with Owen Sound. Props to them for doing so.

I puked in my mouth when I saw that deal. I couldn’t help but think why wouldn’t Boyd be in on that right to the deadline? The only answer I could think of is he steadfastly stated he wouldn’t move roster players and exited the conversation leaving Guelph as the only suitor. If Boyd had a sense of what the pieces would truly have been, I doubt he exits that deal leaving that package going to Guelph.

If the Guelph situation hasn’t changed his mind on moving bodies, nothing will.

i highliy doubt owen sound didn't go back to ottawa and ask them to top it up. it was like it was now, no roster players from the current team. its fine in theory but could cost more long term then in the moment.

 

[OMG67]

i highliy doubt owen sound didn't go back to ottawa and ask them to top it up. it was like it was now, no roster players from the current team. its fine in theory but could cost more long term then in the moment.

I’m not 100% sold on that.

I’ve been pretty candid about how negotiations work in sports for trades, especially at the deadline. If Boyd says he isn’t moving players which seems to have been the case and then says he is happy with his team, he likely misread the market.

I can’t see Owen Sound going back to Boyd and saying he has a deal with another team for Suzuki and then makes one final offer to Ottawa. I think if OS made that kind of plea with Ottawa and it was a marginally better deal than OS then I think Boyd would have done it. That deal was trash for OS. You have to think some team would have stepped up to beat out Guelph in that deal.

At the same time, if they get to a point of negotiating a deal it’s Guelph and then go to Ottawa, Guelph is going to be pissed.

I think once it is determined Guelph is the only true suitor, OS was left to do the best they could. If they start essentially auctioning offers, it looks bad.

 

[HockeyPops]

leaving Guelph as the only suitor

Also, rumour at the time had the Soo in on Suzuki&Durzi, to the point that the deal was so close to being done that the Greyhounds players being sent the other way had already jumped in a car and started driving to Owen Sound before it was vetoed by one of the Owen Sound players.

 

[OMG67]

Also, rumour at the time had the Soo in on Suzuki&Durzi, to the point that the deal was so close to being done that the Greyhounds players being sent the other way had already jumped in a car and started driving to Owen Sound before it was vetoed by one of the Owen Sound players.

That would explain why Guelph got the sweet deal then. Was probably last second.

 

[EvenSteven]

Also, rumour at the time had the Soo in on Suzuki&Durzi, to the point that the deal was so close to being done that the Greyhounds players being sent the other way had already jumped in a car and started driving to Owen Sound before it was vetoed by one of the Owen Sound players.

My memory is hazy, but I thought the OS players were headed to London and the trade changed and they had to turn back.

True or not, it was also out there that Durzi had to be included in the deal or Suzuki wouldn’t report.

 

[OMG67]

My memory is hazy, but I thought the OS players were headed to London and the trade changed and they had to turn back.

True or not, it was also out there that Durzi had to be included in the deal or Suzuki wouldn’t report.

And Durzi was an OA and Ottawa had filled its final OA spot with Chiodo. So very possible that took Ottawa out of the equation as well.

 

[OHL4Life]

My memory is hazy, but I thought the OS players were headed to London and the trade changed and they had to turn back.

True or not, it was also out there that Durzi had to be included in the deal or Suzuki wouldn’t report.

believe that was the case as well.

 

[HockeyPops]

believe that was the case as well.

Supposedly it happened to both teams. Dug this up from that season's thread:

Just to be clear, Greyhounds player(s) were contacted by the FO and under the impression that they were being traded. They told their teammates, some of whom aren't very happy with the situation. I don't know any details outside of that, so there is surely more to it.

 

[dirty12]

What means mistake? Ottawa thought, that Dipietro could steal them a game, when need be. Unfortenetly he got insured in game 2, if i recall correctly.Still Ottawa was ahead 2-0 at the time. Think about Suzuki beeing out for Guelph.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes not so much…. you can’t control everything.
Wasn‘t Guelph down by 2 in the 3. period against London in game 7?

And down 3-0 in the three previous series?

 

[OHL4Life]

Supposedly it happened to both teams. Dug this up from that season's thread:

i know suzukis agent pretty well, i dont think his version was ever that close to happening, at least from their side. lets remember that that poster made up that ballard had 10 teams after him a few months ago.they never really were asked about the soo. guelph, ottawa and niagara were the ones that he thought he was going to.

oshawa and niagara had a deal done for brassard and studnicka in like november and after hearing that they could get suzuki/durzi they tried to reneg on it and go that route. my buddy rocco flipped on them and almost drove to niagara to straighten them out lol

 

[OHL4Life]

that's a nice way of saying Fischhaber is full of

joe caroll’s agent even said it wasn’t true lol. he was asked if joe had interest in going to Owen sound but it never got a past that

 

[OMG67]

i know suzukis agent pretty well, i dont think his version was ever that close to happening, at least from their side. lets remember that that poster made up that ballard had 10 teams after him a few months ago.they never really were asked about the soo. guelph, ottawa and niagara were the ones that he thought he was going to.

oshawa and niagara had a deal done for brassard and studnicka in like november and after hearing that they could get suzuki/durzi they tried to reneg on it and go that route. my buddy rocco flipped on them and almost drove to niagara to straighten them out lol

It is all coming back to me now that you all have shed some light on the situation.

I don’t think Ottawa was ever a serious suitor because Boyd was looking at snagging the two OAs with one of them being Maksimovich. Plus DiPietro in December. I think he felt that was enough. And in a normal deadline, it probably would have been. I dont think anyone would have expected Guelph to go out and snag:

Suzuki
Entwhistle
Durzi
Gordeev
Gogolev
Philips

All this while unloading a poisonous Merkley and an often injured Bertuzzi that was looking more like a bust than a beast.

George Burnett gets a huge gold Starr for a masterclass in restructuring a roster at the deadline and actually having it all work out! HE came close to being 4 and out in round two tho! Damn London and their choke job!

Ottawa with a 14 games streak to start the playoffs and a 4 game streak to end the playoffs.