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Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

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OMG67 said:
What this all boils down to is whether James is willing to make a meaningful push or he isn’t.

I’ll be happy with Morrison but I don’t think it will be enough. I agree with many others that we likely need a 2nd forward to stretch the depth and add a little size as well as adding a D-Man to at least give us some options. The impact level of the D-Man and the 2nd forward can be less than what most of is likely prefer but with such a reliance on the young players this season, it would likely be foley to do that in the playoffs.


Not really. The rebuild takes the same amount of time. The only difference is it starts a year later. The actual duration likely remains the same.
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Teams are better at re-tooling and having quicker rebuilds of late. The draft year helps of course; the 1994-96 and 2000-01 years were pretty bad.
 
dirty12 said:
Teams are better at re-tooling and having quicker rebuilds of late. The draft year helps of course; the 1994-96 and 2000-01 years were pretty bad.
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The other considerable factor is whether a team has actually had an all in year ahead of trying to rebuild or just a crappy season ahead of deciding to tear a team down. There is a significant difference in the starting point.
 
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Teams are better at re-tooling and having quicker rebuilds of late. The draft year helps of course; the 1994-96 and 2000-01 years were pretty bad.
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It depends a lot on philosophy. One side suggests that it is a cycle and you need to participate in that cycle. The other side suggests that participating heavily within that cycle is detrimental to a long term viability in the League.

I see both sides.

If you commit to the big swing cycle, you better not miss, ever. If you miss on one draft, you could exit that cycle super quick and remain in perpetual seller mode because you never end up acquiring the assets you need to create your foundation. Some clubs have found themselves in that boat.

Conversely, other teams that tend to play it more safe tend to be perpetually good but can virtually never win a Championship.

So, those are the two philosophies. Which one is better? I don’t have an answer. However, I believe you need to take a swing when the time is right but don’t take those swings recklessly. This is why I had a big issue with Niagara in the offseason. I thought it was reckless. What Kitchener is doing now isn’t reckless. They had the team on paper, made a couple early season moves to address their gaps and now seem to be in a much better situation.

The big picture though is somewhat different. You can’t have 8 teams all taking swings at it when only one team can win. That is what concerns me a little this season and why I think it is somewhat exciting to watch because we both know there are at least 8 teams right now poised to make serious moves. I can’t think of another time that was remotely close to what seems to be transpiring right now.
 
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PuckStop75 said:
The other considerable factor is whether a team has actually had an all in year ahead of trying to rebuild or just a crappy season ahead of deciding to tear a team down. There is a significant difference in the starting point.
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‘All-in’ to the extent of Bulldogs and Frontenacs (2018-19?). Those teams built back up quick enough to take run at last season.
The Petes 2019-20. Kitchener 2017-18, 2019-20 back at it this year.
 
dirty12 said:
‘All-in’ to the extent of Bulldogs and Frontenacs (2018-19?). Those teams built back up quick enough to take run at last season.
The Petes 2019-20. Kitchener 2017-18, 2019-20 back at it this year.
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If you have a strong organization that can draft talent and coach it well enough to envelop it to it’s fullest, the rebuild should only be one season. You use assets one seasnt o acquire, go for a run and then the following season you sell a few assets to reacquire what you gave up all the while maintaining your draft/development etc.

Ottawa can trade Marrelli, Dever, Ewles and a hefty bag of draft picks and recover well provided they trade Rohrer and a second player next year. There is no reason why the 67’s couldn’t be a very strong team the following season.
 
OMG67 said:
It depends a lot on philosophy. One side suggests that it is a cycle and you need to participate in that cycle. The other side suggests that participating heavily within that cycle is detrimental to a long term viability in the League.

I see both sides.

If you commit to the big swing cycle, you better not miss, ever. If you miss on one draft, you could exit that cycle super quick and remain in perpetual seller mode because you never end up acquiring the assets you need to create your foundation. Some clubs have found themselves in that boat.

Conversely, other teams that tend to play it more safe tend to be perpetually good but can virtually never win a Championship.

So, those are the two philosophies. Which one is better? I don’t have an answer. However, I believe you need to take a swing when the time is right but don’t take those swings recklessly. This is why I had a big issue with Niagara in the offseason. I thought it was reckless. What Kitchener is doing now isn’t reckless. They had the team on paper, made a couple early season moves to address their gaps and now seem to be in a much better situation.

The big picture though is somewhat different. You can’t have 8 teams all taking swings at it when only one team can win. That is what concerns me a little this season and why I think it is somewhat exciting to watch because we both know there are at least 8 teams right now poised to make serious moves. I can’t think of another time that was remotely close to what seems to be transpiring right now.
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Lack of player movement during league shutdown and last deadline; more parity, more youth.
The battalion played 11 rookies in last seasons conference final. That cannot happen again!?
 
OMG67 said:
If you have a strong organization that can draft talent and coach it well enough to envelop it to it’s fullest, the rebuild should only be one season. You use assets one seasnt o acquire, go for a run and then the following season you sell a few assets to reacquire what you gave up all the while maintaining your draft/development etc.

Ottawa can trade Marrelli, Dever, Ewles and a hefty bag of draft picks and recover well provided they trade Rohrer and a second player next year. There is no reason why the 67’s couldn’t be a very strong team the following season.
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Previously teams (more the eastern conference) did not as often go ‘all-in’ to the extent of 2014 & 2019 Guelph and held on longer or too long.
Erie and NB are examples of both ~2013-2017. Battalion could have sold Amadio rather than finish 3rd in conference after 2 years of real contention. Anything resembling the Konecy trade, the battalion would not struggled like they did for a few seasons.
 
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Hello 67s fans
Tonight I am reaching out to the broader hockey family and communities not as a London Knights fan, but as a concerned human being. As you know, one of our Knights players died tragically this past Saturday. His friends, family and the community are devastated.
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The Knights are checking into it with the family right now. Please stay tuned.
 
OMG67 said:
What this all boils down to is whether James is willing to make a meaningful push or he isn’t.

I’ll be happy with Morrison but I don’t think it will be enough. I agree with many others that we likely need a 2nd forward to stretch the depth and add a little size as well as adding a D-Man to at least give us some options. The impact level of the D-Man and the 2nd forward can be less than what most of is likely prefer but with such a reliance on the young players this season, it would likely be foley to do that in the playoffs.


Not really. The rebuild takes the same amount of time. The only difference is it starts a year later. The actual duration likely remains the same.
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All one needs to do is look at the Fronts to see how not to do it. Kingston keeps swinging at the fences at the trade deadline when they are close. The problem is they never seem to get far enough inthe playoffs to make it all worth while.

Living in Kingston, the cycle was the most hated thing. People In Kingston wished they have the Ottawa cycle wher at least they got competitive hockey on an almost yearly basis.

Look at the Knights they do not go into the all in let's blow up the team and are always there.

As to this team I agree Morrison Wright is the target. Getting either or is important.

After that it is looking at the shelf in the store and seeing if we have the funds to buy anything else
We need
 
beastintheeast said:
All one needs to do is look at the Fronts to see how not to do it. Kingston keeps swinging at the fences at the trade deadline when they are close. The problem is they never seem to get far enough inthe playoffs to make it all worth while.

Living in Kingston, the cycle was the most hated thing. People In Kingston wished they have the Ottawa cycle wher at least they got competitive hockey on an almost yearly basis.

Look at the Knights they do not go into the all in let's blow up the team and are always there.

As to this team I agree Morrison Wright is the target. Getting either or is important.

After that it is looking at the shelf in the store and seeing if we have the funds to buy anything else
We need
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I don’t think the Fronts have ever “swung at the fences.” Name one season where the Fronts have made three seriously significant trade deadline trades and emptied their cupboard and traded away their 1st round pick….

Maybe that’s why they’ve never won anything?
 
How empty do they have to be? They might have had 2x 2nds and 1x 3rds left after last season. In comparison Hamilton had something like 1x 2nd and 3x 3rds left.
 
OMG67 said:
I don’t think the Fronts have ever “swung at the fences.” Name one season where the Fronts have made three seriously significant trade deadline trades and emptied their cupboard and traded away their 1st round pick….

Maybe that’s why they’ve never won anything?
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2017-18​

PU, Villardi, Day, Jones
Was the big one

Every other year we lets trade our first rounder for someone that will get us into the playoffs.

If you look at the Fronts under Mav and Gilmour first-round picks were the fodder that they traded for rental players.

That is why Mav had such a hard time getting players to commit to Kingston
 
HockeyPops said:
How empty do they have to be? They might have had 2x 2nds and 1x 3rds left after last season. In comparison Hamilton had something like 1x 2nd and 3x 3rds left.
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To me it is not so much the number of picks but what are they going to have coming back and how bad is the rebuild?

I am happy with being down to 4 picks. In our case, I would trade 67's picks and save the picks we got in trade for next year. after that I am not that worried we can make them back.

Unfortunately, it is going to depend on what the other teams want. With everyone thinking that they have a chance it has now become a seller's market.
 
beastintheeast said:

2017-18​

PU, Villardi, Day, Jones
Was the big one

Every other year we lets trade our first rounder for someone that will get us into the playoffs.

If you look at the Fronts under Mav and Gilmour first-round picks were the fodder that they traded for rental players.

That is why Mav had such a hard time getting players to commit to Kingston
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I sort of lucked out being in Kingston just as the Fronts loaded up and got a good seat ROS and first playoff round. That 2017-18 KGN team was as good as any, until Helvig got exposed for not being able to absorb anything blocker side. There was some bad luck too. Day got injured and Jones’ broken finger did not heal.
 
dirty12 said:
I sort of lucked out being in Kingston just as the Fronts loaded up and got a good seat ROS and first playoff round. That 2017-18 KGN team was as good as any, until Helvig got exposed for not being able to absorb anything blocker side. There was some bad luck too. Day got injured and Jones’ broken finger did not heal.
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Do you remember how good they were a few years after. My point is that loading up, if you do not do it right is a waste of space.
I know a lot of season ticket holders that quit after the playoffs and did not renew.
 
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beastintheeast said:
Do you remember how good they were a few years after. My point is that loading up, if you do not do it right is a waste of space.
I know a lot of season ticket holders that quit after the playoffs and did not renew.
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I remember Kingston re-loading quick enough after that 2017-18 season to be a top 3 contender in the conference 2021-22, and quite possibly contend again 2023-24.
And before that KGN finished the 2015-16 season with a good lead for the #1 seed and 2013-14 top 3 but not nearly as good as NB & OSH.
Nothing really wrong with the Frontenacs over the last decade
 
beastintheeast said:
All one needs to do is look at the Fronts to see how not to do it. Kingston keeps swinging at the fences at the trade deadline when they are close. The problem is they never seem to get far enough inthe playoffs to make it all worth while.

Living in Kingston, the cycle was the most hated thing. People In Kingston wished they have the Ottawa cycle wher at least they got competitive hockey on an almost yearly basis.

Look at the Knights they do not go into the all in let's blow up the team and are always there.

As to this team I agree Morrison Wright is the target. Getting either or is important.

After that it is looking at the shelf in the store and seeing if we have the funds to buy anything else
We need
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Beast, you need to get over your obsession with Kingston. its not healthy.
 
beastintheeast said:
My point is that loading up, if you do not do it right is a waste of space.
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And this is what you should concentrate on as your point as opposed to throwing in “Kingston.” Then follow it up with SPECIFIC examples. Saying “like Kingston” isn’t a specific example. This is the reason why I asked you to name one time that Kingston did “X.”

What does loading up “right” look like? What team provides a good example. How does that team compare to the team you are talking about now? Draw comparisons so there is better perspective.

You and I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY on this very specific point. You do need to do it the right way. You do need to have the proper timing. You do need to participate with both guns blazing. But, as you and I clearly both agree, you should not do it recklessly. It should be measured.

There are two ways that allow a team to participate in this sort of “buyer” mentality when they are contenders:
1> The willingness to sell when the time is right
2> Ability to draft players deeper in the draft to make up for the picks you lose early

#2 is a heck of a lot more difficult But nonetheless required. The 67’s have proven to be able to work in the #2 zone a little bit. They’ve also proven to work in the #1 zone to a degree as well.

This means the 67’s have the ability to do it responsibly or “right.”

If this is deemed the right time, then it also means it should be done the right way. In this we agree.

I’m not a fan of trading 1st round picks but we do have two on roster right now. The 2nd one on roster, Marrelli, is in compensation for Moldenhauer not reporting. So, in essence, if we traded Marrelli for an 18 year old impact forward, it would almost be like trading him for Moldenhauer. It is not a stretch to say screw it, let‘s not worry too much about apples for apples. Let’s trade him for the 19 year old becuase this is an opportunity we shouldn’t pass up. So, if they used Marrelli in a trade for DelMaestro, as an example, I would be ok with that under this circumstance. I think hat is the right way to look at it, assuming we agree this is the right time and DelMastro is the right player.
 
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