Confirmed Signing with Link: [OTT] G Linus Ullmark signs extension with the Ottawa Senators (4 years, $8.25M AAV)

[SpezDispenser]

Really makes you think

It really did.

 

[Golden_Jet]

ugh, not surprised..... another brainless poster who responds with "lol" and "you Habs fans..."

another freakin 13 year old here with zero hockey knowledge who immediately changes the subject to "make fun" of another team.

Seems like a pot meet kettle.

 

[Breakers]

More cups are won (or long playoff runs are made) with top goaltenders.

These are the goalie who played in the conference finals over the last 4 seasons:

Bobrovsky (x2), Shesterkin (x2), Vasilevskyi (x2), Oettinger (x2), Price, Sorokin, Hill, Andersen, Smith, Kuemper, Skinner.

Look at those names. Sure, a guy like Hill might go on a run once in a while. But the guys who get there, more often than not, are guys who are top 5 or top 10 goalies in the league.

And are we gonna ignore when Bobrovsky was playing like sh)t was benched for some guy named Chris dredger or whatever the hell his name is.

 

[Magic Mittens]

I like it for Ottawa. Term is good and helps them shore up their main weakness. Could see them fight for that last wildcard spot

 

[Golden_Jet]

I just don't see a difference between Korpisalo, Forsberg, Ullmark, Talbot, etc etc.

that’s crazy talk

 

[Voight]

Disagree.... Cups were won with Darcy Kuemper and Adin Hill based on a great defence more than acutal goaltending.

Bob went from an overrated and overpaid goalie, to great when FLA implemented a more defensive system (were tied with WPG for GA last season).

Holtby won only when Barry Trotz transformed Washington into a D first system.

Cam Talbot went from horrible in Ottawa to a having very good season with LA last year. What do you think changed??

Ullmark will not come anywhere close to the numbers he put up in Boston. Its practically one extreme to the other.

To be fair, Holtbys playoff stats were always impeccable, regardless of who as coach.

 

[DackellDuck]

And are we gonna ignore when Bobrovsky was playing like sh)t was benched for some guy named Chris dredger or whatever the hell his name is.

There can be bumps in the road, but at the end of the day, the Panthers just went to back-to-back finals and won the Cup last year, and a good portion of the credit has to go to Bobrovsky.

So what's your point? He had some stretches of poor play?

When it mattered, he delivered. Two years in a row now, so they've gotten more than their money's worth.

But sure, they should have traded/bought out Bobrovsky and taken their chances with Dreidger or Lyon...

 

[Voight]

Well Ullmark has a better track record than Murray and Korpisalo, so yeah lol

He does have a Vezina but Murray was a top player on back to back cup champions.

Did you guarantee that Jim Montgomery would become Jim Montgomery after his time in Dallas?

I doubt it.

He was already a good coach in Dallas, he just had some issues that temporarily derailed his career. I think most people knew he'd have success on another team, he's a great coach.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Good term, bad aav

 

[dgibb10]

More cups are won (or long playoff runs are made) with top goaltenders.

These are the goalie who played in the conference finals over the last 4 seasons:

Bobrovsky (x2), Shesterkin (x2), Vasilevskyi (x2), Oettinger (x2), Price, Sorokin, Hill, Andersen, Smith, Kuemper, Skinner.

Look at those names. Sure, a guy like Hill might go on a run once in a while. But the guys who get there, more often than not, are guys who are top 5 or top 10 goalies in the league.

This is a self fufilling prophecy.

Bobrovsky is a top 5 goalie (I still wouldn't classify him as that), BECAUSE of his playoff runs. Because frankly he's been outplayed by his backup in each of the last 2 regular seasons, and certainly hasn't been a top 5/10 goalie in the regular seasons.

If you inflate guys rankings because of deep playoff runs, then of course the list of guys making deep playoff runs will be guys you have ranked high.

 

[DackellDuck]

He does have a Vezina but Murray was a top player on back to back cup champions.



He was already a good coach in Dallas, he just had some issues that temporarily derailed his career. I think most people knew he'd have success on another team, he's a great coach.

He was a decent coach in Dallas. 93 pts and a wildcard spot in year 1 (the Stars had 92 pts the year prior under Hitchcock), and a 17-11 record at the time of his suspension/dismissal the next season.

I don't remember anyone ever thinking he a savant that was for sure going to be back in the league. He was pretty unremarkable.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Think you'd like to see him play for the team first, but I can understand Ottawa doing it because of DeBrincat and Chychrun.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

its a catch 22.... youre not a good goalie without a good D in front of you. Why is it we never talk about great goalies on bad teams?

Ullmark isnt taking a 26th (?) place team to contenders overnight. Travis Green, Jake Sanderson and co. will play a much bigger role in that turnaround. And if Green is that good, then sure, Ullmark will have been a good investment.

Probably because Hasek isn't playing for Buffalo anymore. And because the handful of guys who are discernably better than the rest of the "good" goalies around the league all currently play for good teams.

 

[amnesiac]

Seems like a pot meet kettle.

yeah I clearly remember you were the one writing that way as well.

 

[DackellDuck]

This is a self fufilling prophecy.

Bobrovsky is a top 5 goalie (I still wouldn't classify him as that), BECAUSE of his playoff runs. Because frankly he's been outplayed by his backup in each of the last 2 regular seasons, and certainly hasn't been a top 5/10 goalie in the regular seasons.

If you inflate guys rankings because of deep playoff runs, then of course the list of guys making deep playoff runs will be guys you have ranked high.

Last year Bob had a .915 SV%, tied for 5th in the league among goalies who played more than 40 games. He had better numbers than Shesterkin, Sorokin, Vasilevskyi, Saros and Oettinger.

Then he was the best goalie in the playoffs.

He's had some hiccups in Florida, but he was easily a top 5 goalie last season.

 

[amnesiac]

Probably because Hasek isn't playing for Buffalo anymore. And because the handful of guys who are discernably better than the rest of the "good" goalies around the league all currently play for good teams.

And if those goalies (eg. Vasilevskiy) started his career on say.... Anaheim. Do you think he'd still be considered one of the best goalies of this era?

I guarantee you the answer is a resounding no.

 

[Blitzkrug]

I think this'll work out for Ottawa.

People forget the reason Ullmark even ended up as a Bruin is because he played behind some, let's call them less than ideal Sabres teams

The guy is a legit good goalie that can be your full on starter rather than a tandem guy.

 

[DackellDuck]

And if those goalies (eg. Vasilevskiy) started his career on say.... Anaheim. Do you think he'd still be considered one of the best goalies of this era?

I guarantee you the answer is a resounding no.

Or maybe Anaheim would be good because they had Vasilevskyi...

The Rangers were a sub .500 team for the two seasons before Shesterkin. Then he shows up and they've been one of the best teams in the East for the last 5.

They missed the playoffs for 7 straight years until Lundqvist showed up. Ineptitude and mismanagement was their calling card. But after he became their guy, they made it 12 of 13 years.

 

[amnesiac]

To be fair, Holtbys playoff stats were always impeccable, regardless of who as coach.

sure, the 3 seasons outside of Trotz.... was definitely a clutch goalie.

Trotz in NSH did wonders for all his goalies, though.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Ullmark’s camp was smart to sign this while it was available. He might earn it and then no issues but he also might not perform anywhere near how he did on Bruins. Yes, he was good on a bad Sabres team. Was anyone willing to pay him anywhere near this for what he showed in Buffalo? Cross your fingers if a Sens fan I guess.

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Linus is A list teammate and a damn good goalie. Well deserved

 

[DackellDuck]

Ullmark’s camp was smart to sign this while it was available. He might earn it and then no issues but he also might not perform anywhere near how he did on Bruins. Yes, he was good on a bad Sabres team. Was anyone willing to pay him anywhere near this for what he showed in Buffalo? Cross your fingers if a Sens fan I guess.

The Bruins gave him 5x5 coming off his Buffalo stint when the cap was 10M lower...

 

[DueDiligence]

ugh, not surprised..... another brainless poster who responds with "lol" and "you Habs fans..."

another freakin 13 year old here with zero hockey knowledge who immediately changes the subject to "make fun" of another team.

Are you 13 yourself? If not then it's a really pathetic individual who makes over 20 posts ( so far!) ridiculing a rival team's move and their fan base. Seriously what normal adult does that???

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Ullmark’s camp was smart to sign this while it was available. He might earn it and then no issues but he also might not perform anywhere near how he did on Bruins. Yes, he was good on a bad Sabres team. Was anyone willing to pay him anywhere near this for what he showed in Buffalo? Cross your fingers if a Sens fan I guess.

The market for middle stat goalies was lower. He hadn't won his Vezina. B's needed to replace Rask. The 5M he got in Boston was the going rate to steal a decent goalie at the time

 

[amnesiac]

Or maybe Anaheim would be good because they had Vasilevskyi...

The Rangers were a sub .500 team for the two seasons before Shesterkin. Then he shows up and they've been one of the best teams in the East for the last 5.

The NYR missed the playoffs for 7 straight years until Lundqvist showed up. When he became their guy, they made it 12 of 13 years.

Very doubtful. John Gibson was always said to be a good goalie that just couldnt flourish in ANA. Put Gibson on TB or PIT and he surely has 2 Cups today.

Lundqvist, Price, maybe Shesty.... yeah youre talking about the greatest goalies of this generation. Of course those guys make a difference, but they werent on God awful teams either. Ottawa are a presently a God awful team and Ullmark isnt one of the greatest goalies.