Confirmed Trade: [OTT/ARI] Jakob Chychrun for 2023 1st (top 5 protected), 2024 2nd (1st if OTT make '23 ECF), and 2026 2nd round pick

[ChillWill1]

I'm guessing those two late 1st rd picks that were offered were The Blues. Makes too much sense.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

I think a lot of people are underestimating the value of a #10-!5 pick in this draft.

Or a who bunch of posters on HF are overvaluing 1st round picks again. Hmm. inquiring minds want to know.

 

[pth2]

I know this is less than Arizona as apparently asking for.... but it's still steep for 2 seasons and 20 games of team control. Either Ottawa is moving him in 2 years, or extending him to a contract that could be long and painful.

I think Arizona manages to get exagerated value for guys like Chychrun and Dvorak by offering big money deals to kids right off their ELC, when they develop well they seem like bargains... but it also means having guys become UFAs smack in their prime.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Lmao dubas could of had chychrun and instead went for McCabe. Steal for Ottawa. Arizona is a joke for holding out so long and getting a crap return

How ? What 1st round pick does TO have thats likely to be that low ?

 

[IranCondraAffair]

LeBrun said Ottawa dropped out last week and Armstrong phoned them back on Monday to re-engage..

I've negotiated a few things in my life. When you set a limit and move on and then the other party is the one who comes back to re-engage, you know you got them.

 

[bleuetbio]

Realy good deal for the Sens. Like that deal. I thought the price could be higher. Chychrun is in the same window than others youngsters.

Good job

 

[NyQuil]

Here,

Do the sens currently have the pieces to make the playoffs next year?

Do the sens currently have the pieces to make the playoffs next year?

forums.hfboards.com

28% of posters voted Sens 'had the pieces' to make the playoffs in 21-22.

There's more threads I can link also, but the search function doesn't show the threads in chronological order so it's all over the place.

28%?

Wow, there’s a vote of confidence.

I see that I’m correctly among the “No” voters, as is @bert.

 

[Golden_Jet]

They are "all in" (or cynically, inflating the franchise's value while the estate sells the team). Starting next year, Stutzle is no longer the wunderkind and he's now the very highly paid franchise center that will be expected to lead them deep into the postseason. Next year is make or break for the Sens imo.

What are you smoking, why would it be make or break it. You seem really upset about this trade, I’m sure it will be Ok, it was just a trade.

 

[bert]

Here,

Do the sens currently have the pieces to make the playoffs next year?

Do the sens currently have the pieces to make the playoffs next year?

forums.hfboards.com

28% of posters voted Sens 'had the pieces' to make the playoffs in 21-22.

There's more threads I can link also, but the search function doesn't show the threads in chronological order so it's all over the place.





Baby steps.

Playoffs first, win a round second.

16 teams in the playoffs.
8 teams win a round in the playoffs.

It's twice as difficult to win a round than make the playoffs.

So 72% didn't think so?... Uhhh. Haha

 

[Divine]

28%?

Wow, there’s a vote of confidence.

I see that I’m correctly among the “No” voters, as is @bert.

Yeah, I'm not saying 100% of Sens fans think they're gonna make the playoffs. That will never happen.

But it's more than 1 or 2 who have said it for multiple years.

 

[93LEAFS]

I think a lot of people are underestimating the value of a #10-!5 pick in this draft.

historically, drafts aren't dramatically different outside the first 10 picks outside of rare exceptions like 2003 which had some weird rules changes it benefitted from.

 

[Divine]

So 72% didn't think so?... Uhhh. Haha

Nope, there was more than 2 options in the poll.

The majority (over 50%) actually thought they were a playoff team with some offseason moves. Only 47.1% thought they weren't.

This is for the 21-22 season, not 22-23.

I assume that number was much higher for this season.

 

[Samsquanch]

I know this is less than Arizona as apparently asking for.... but it's still steep for 2 seasons and 20 games of team control. Either Ottawa is moving him in 2 years, or extending him to a contract that could be long and painful.

I think Arizona manages to get exagerated value for guys like Chychrun and Dvorak by offering big money deals to kids right off their ELC, when they develop well they seem like bargains... but it also means having guys become UFAs smack in their prime.

Dvorak and Chychrun aren't at all similar. Chychrun has actually played like a dominant #1D.

Dvorak is pretty much the same player Montreal traded for, it was just the Habs fans that seemed to think he had a bunch of untapped potential, and got disappointed when they realized that he was just a regressing mess.

Chychurn was the best available player on the market. And he has 2 years MORE term at a great cap hit. It's an incredible contract.

 

[dirtydanglez]

hot dorian winter

 

[NyQuil]

Nope, there was more than 2 options in the poll.

The majority (over 50%) actually thought they were a playoff team with some offseason moves. Only 47.1% thought they weren't.

This is for the 21-22 season, not 22-23.

I assume that number was much higher for this season.

And what major off-season moves were made for the 21-22 season?

Right, exactly.

This season had higher expectations and to date they haven’t been met.

We expected to be in the thick of it as opposed to holding up the rear of the playoff race.

Meaningful hockey in March? This was the mantra being said all off season and even coming up in the post game remarks as recently as our last game against Detroit.

Marginally meaningful is the grade I would give.

 

[gvineq]

a kot of arm chair GM's feeling pretty silky right now,I hope

 

[DaBolts]

Huge win for the Sens. Congrats gang despite your crap owner.

 

[BLONG7]

Arizona waited 18 months for that kind of return?
Seriously?

Dorion did very well.

 

[Divine]

And what major off-season moves were made for the 21-22 season?

Right, exactly.

So, over 1 in 4 of Sens fans thought they were a playoff team for multiple seasons now.

Would you agree with that statement?

 

[WarriorofTime]

What are you smoking, why would it be make or break it. You seem really upset about this trade, I’m sure it will be Ok, it was just a trade.

I seem mad? Well I’m not. I think the senators need to make the playoffs next year. Not sure why that is controversial. Their window is the next couple years just based on how cap works. They ideally will strike while still in a good spot cap flexibility wise. That’s just how the nhl works.

 

[BLONG7]

Huge win for the Sens. Congrats gang despite your crap owner.

Remember............he passed away.....
His daughters are currently sellling the team.

 

[Samsquanch]

historically, drafts aren't dramatically different outside the first 10 picks outside of rare exceptions like 2003 which had some weird rules changes it benefitted from.

I would totally agree with this in the sense that a top 10-15 pick feels like it's worth a whole lot more than it actually is. I'm sure it's more like half the real value or less of a top 5 pick, and close to on par with a 20-25th pick when you add up the real world results.

 

[NyQuil]

So, over 1 in 4 of Sens fans thought they were a playoff team for multiple seasons now.

Would you agree with that statement?

No idea.

I would agree that a minority of Senators fans believed the team to be a playoff team before this season.

 

[DueDiligence]

We hear this every season but the Sens can never make the playoffs.

Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? Eerily similar.

Sort of like the Leafs who can't win a playoff round.

 

[DaBolts]

Remember............he passed away.....
His daughters are currently sellling the team.

Sorry, I associated the family name.

Still a win for Sens fans.

They are going to be back in it next season in a serious pain in the butt way.