Confirmed Trade: [OTT/ARI] Jakob Chychrun for 2023 1st (top 5 protected), 2024 2nd (1st if OTT make '23 ECF), and 2026 2nd round pick

[Samsquanch]

that is one interesting take. They'll be building around a very elite core for many years to come.

Who are Colorados 3rd and 4th best forwards, and how do they stack up to the teams in the East? How about their 5th and 6th forwards?

That's my point I guess. Beautiful top end that's arguably as good as anyones in the league. But that's not the same team without Kadri and the others they lost.

My opinion I guess?

 

[WarriorofTime]

I don't think that's how Carolina, Anaheim, Boston, and St. Louis won their cups. It's a model a lot of teams used but it's not the only way.

Sens finished at the bottom of the standings a bunch of times and slid down in the lottery every time. The good thing is that Stutzle would easily be taken 1st overall in a re-draft and Sanderson isn't far behind either. Brady Tkachuk, a power forward on pace for 90 points, would go top 3 in a re-draft as well.

well Carolina and Anaheim were the very first cap winners, so it was a different time, when a lot of players in their prime just popped up as free agents.

Boston and St. Louis would be 2 out of 15 since then, which is a bit of an exception proves the rule thing IMO

 

[rt]

That Washington 2nd next year should be mid draft but I think the 2026 2nd is going to be pretty late.

True.

Tiny arena, and are they one the teams likely impacted by the Bally Situation? I have no idea who has their tv rights.

Bally does.

 

[ijuka]

Should Sens really be giving away so many picks just to miss playoffs?

 

[WarriorofTime]

The Coyotes need to be relocated, as hard as that is for you to accept.

No, they shouldn't, and there's a reason they haven't. The NHL owners know that the league's television footprint is far more important than operating losses.

 

[Korpse]

Yeah there was a thread on the mainboard about the Sens being a playoff team. I even posted in it lol.

There was one prior to the Covid season also.

The Sens always look good 'on paper'.

I'm sure you'll find very few people shared the same opinion of the OP in those threads. The existence of a thread doesn't mean it's a popular belief. This season has been the first with any playoff optimism around the team. It's March and they are in the mix.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He will probably want a max contract in two years, they gotta do something before the cap comes to roost and thus far they have not done much with the team they had pre-Chychrun.

Lmao max contract,

 

[GCK]

True.


Bally does.

I feel bad for Yotes fans. Having ownership that is financially challenged is brutal. On the bright side you guys own 20% of next year’s 2nd round.

 

[Akrapovince]

Should Sens really be giving away so many picks just to miss playoffs?

Neither players they have traded for involving their first round picks are rentals, so yeah- go for it.

Perfect time to leverage our pick for value while acquiring a player that will undoubtedly help us push that pick later.

What are the chances of a selection around fifteen becoming a player of Chychrun’s calibre? Pretty low?

Now what are the chances of a top fifteen pick in 2023 becoming Chychrun AND helping us this year, next year, and the year after?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Should Sens really be giving away so many picks just to miss playoffs?

They are "all in" (or cynically, inflating the franchise's value while the estate sells the team). Starting next year, Stutzle is no longer the wunderkind and he's now the very highly paid franchise center that will be expected to lead them deep into the postseason. Next year is make or break for the Sens imo.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

well Carolina and Anaheim were the very first cap winners, so it was a different time, when a lot of players in their prime just popped up as free agents.

Boston and St. Louis would be 2 out of 15 since then, which is a bit of an exception proves the rule thing IMO

Ok, but otherwise you have to have EXTREMELY fortunate timing. Should we just keep sucking for a 7th straight year and bank on that 10% lottery ticket that might not even result in a HOF-level player (even then, the pick is still protected).

And for the teams it has worked for, Colorado, Pittsburgh, and Washington benefitted from a very generous lottery system. Finish last and you're guaranteed a top-2 pick. You're far more likely to become the 2010-2015 Oilers now than you are any of those three.

 

[seafoam]

Magic beans…

 

[rt]

I feel bad for Yotes fans. Having ownership that is financially challenged is brutal. On the bright side you guys own 20% of next year’s 2nd round.

Yeah. The return on Chychrun really isn’t all that disappointing. Could be very good if Ottawa blows it. I’m not too worried about this return honestly.

It’s more that we took less that we could’ve for money reasons. Same with Gostisbehere. That’s a bummer. Would’ve loved to see what the return could’ve been if money wasn’t so tight.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Should Sens really be giving away so many picks just to miss playoffs?

If they miss the playoffs this season, it will be due to missing their top centre going into the season and a terrible streak in november and december.

They've had one of the better records in the league since that big skid.

Trading a first is always a gamble, but it filled the last big hole on the team. This isn't a rental, this is a trade for the future and on paper its a fantastic one.

I'd rather have Chychrun than the 15th overall draft pick, and whatever player it produces helping out in 2025.

 

[Divine]

I'm sure you'll find very few people shared the same opinion of the OP in those threads. The existence of a thread doesn't mean it's a popular belief. This season has been the first with any playoff optimism around the team. It's March and they are in the mix.

I wouldn't consider them in the hunt considering the only teams they got more points than than are:

Montreal
Philadelphia
Columbus

But, to each their own.

If you think they can beat 5 teams for Wild Card 2... I guess they're in the hunt.

 

[japhi]

Wonder what matching color suits the boys were making when they made this trade? What an average return after all that. Clown show.

Great job Dorion, that is nice value.

 

[Chet Manley]

I would have bet money on Detroit being in on this after the Hronak trade. I'm wrong a lot.

 

[bert]

This year, last year, the Covid year. Now, next year.

Bullshit.

 

[SensontheRush]

It's been pointed out to you at least 100 times.

It's just ignorance.

The Coyotes need to be relocated, as hard as that is for you to accept.

Dislike

 

[Korpse]

f they miss the playoffs this season, it will be due to missing their top centre going into the season and a terrible streak in november and december.

Really just November. Since Dec 1, 22-13-3 .618 P%.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Ok, but otherwise you have to have EXTREMELY fortunate timing. Should we just keep sucking for a 7th straight year and bank on that 10% lottery ticket that might not even result in a HOF-level player (even then, the pick is still protected).

And for the teams it has worked for, Colorado, Pittsburgh, and Washington benefitted from a very generous lottery system. Finish last and you're guaranteed a top-2 pick.

agreed, the draft and being at the top in the right year is mostly luck, that's why it hasn't worked out for Arizona yet, but they're at least maximizing their odds

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Really just November. Since Dec 1, 22-13-3 .618 P%.

I could be remembering it wrong. Thought it stretched into December.

They've been pretty consistent since then though. Promising, if they make it or not this season.

 

[Korpse]

I wouldn't consider them in the hunt considering the only teams they got more points than than are:

Montreal
Philadelphia
Columbus

But, to each their own.

If you think they can beat 5 teams for Wild Card 2... I guess they're in the hunt.

What timeline are you on.

By Point %

Pit 69P 60GP
Buf 66P 59GP
Nyi 70P 64GP
Ott 64P 60GP
Det 64P 60GP
Fla 66P 62GP
Wsh 64P 62GP

 

[bert]

Yeah there was a thread on the mainboard about the Sens being a playoff team. I even posted in it lol.

There was one prior to the Covid season also.

The Sens always look good 'on paper'.

Prove it.

 

[Akrapovince]

They are "all in" (or cynically, inflating the franchise's value while the estate sells the team). Starting next year, Stutzle is no longer the wunderkind and he's now the very highly paid franchise center that will be expected to lead them deep into the postseason. Next year is make or break for the Sens imo.

We are not really getting any better, except for internal development.

If we do not make the post-season next year, there will be an argument of the core just not working.

All the pieces are pretty much filled with not much more help coming, so do or die time.

No more “but if we had a goal scoring winger” or “we just need to fill out our top four”.