OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies, etc...Part VI

[JWK]

This is my


Oh and Jokic is cool too I guess

 

[StreetHawk]

So if there has to be blame here, its probably on the sale of the new team. Paton may still get sent off for the whole ordeal because he wasn't the guy ownership put in place. He's got pretty clearly defined roles and works at the suggestions of the coach and the owner to a great degree I have to assume. He has made some other mistakes along the way of course, no one is perfect. I doubt a new GM is going to add value to the team but GMs don't exactly win games on the field either.

GMs have to trust the scouts, who in turn have to look for players who fit the coach's system. Up to the GM to allocate the cap dollars and make it work. Going to have to be good at that with $35 then $53 mill in dead cap coming up in 2024 and 2025.
Russ had a NTC coming from Seattle, so part of waiving the NTC was basically a handshake agreement to sign a new deal before taking the field in 2022.

Realistically, Broncos have to look at players who will be on the roster in 2026 and beyond. Anyone who won't be with the team at that point in time needs to be considered trade bait, especially if they can save some cap space over the next couple of seasons.

There is offset language in Russ's contract but realistically, he's either getting a 7 figure 1 year deal like Baker did with TB, or he's on the couch waiting for a call as I don't see him signing on to be a #2. At worst, he's going to go in and compete for the starting job like Baker did. Wentz didn't get into a camp. At best you save a few to several million of the dead cap for 2025 if he gets a Baker type 1 year deal for $8 mill or so.

Would Tanny and Jimmy G as well, go in as a backup or are they starters only at this point in time? Depends on their ego. Flacco hasn't been the starter since early in Jackson's career, and Lamar is in year 6 of his career.

 

[henchman21]

Americans don’t have culture

Americans:

 

[JWK]

Americans don’t have culture

Americans:

And people say there's too many bowl games smh

 

[famicommander]

Jokic with 26 points, 14 rebounds, 10 assists through 3 quarters. 11/11 FG, 1/1 3PT, 3/3 FT, +25, 3 turnovers, 1 foul. Sat the whole 4th quarter.

 

[katfude]

Nuggets farded and shidded all over the grizzlies

 

[famicommander]

Nuggets farded and shidded all over the grizzlies

They dressed 13 players for the game and all 13 recorded at least 2 points and 1 rebound.

 

[lionsDen]

Has to be. I can’t think of anything that even comes close off the top of my head. I mean realistically its up there for worst trades in the history of the sport.

Herchel walker trade still. It wasn’t a horrible trade(Wilson)as far as cost to acquire. What’s frustrating is giving him that contract and the front office even thinking he was even remotely still a viable option. The minute I heard Russel Wilson was a possibility I started talking shit. I never liked Wilson, dating to the draft

 

[willy702]

GMs have to trust the scouts, who in turn have to look for players who fit the coach's system. Up to the GM to allocate the cap dollars and make it work. Going to have to be good at that with $35 then $53 mill in dead cap coming up in 2024 and 2025.
Russ had a NTC coming from Seattle, so part of waiving the NTC was basically a handshake agreement to sign a new deal before taking the field in 2022.

Realistically, Broncos have to look at players who will be on the roster in 2026 and beyond. Anyone who won't be with the team at that point in time needs to be considered trade bait, especially if they can save some cap space over the next couple of seasons.

There is offset language in Russ's contract but realistically, he's either getting a 7 figure 1 year deal like Baker did with TB, or he's on the couch waiting for a call as I don't see him signing on to be a #2. At worst, he's going to go in and compete for the starting job like Baker did. Wentz didn't get into a camp. At best you save a few to several million of the dead cap for 2025 if he gets a Baker type 1 year deal for $8 mill or so.

Would Tanny and Jimmy G as well, go in as a backup or are they starters only at this point in time? Depends on their ego. Flacco hasn't been the starter since early in Jackson's career, and Lamar is in year 6 of his career.

Good points here, unclear to me how much credit back to the Broncos they get if Russ signs everyone.

Trades generally don't help with the cap much, the basic strategy the team has to follow is no veteran free agents and can't sign players to extensions. That's the real risk but in the Broncos case they don't have too much to worry about.

 

[Pokecheque]

They dressed 13 players for the game and all 13 recorded at least 2 points and 1 rebound.

I assume Jokic did not return after exiting in the third quarter, so his shooting percentage was 100%!!!

 

[Hasbro]

Herchel walker trade still. It wasn’t a horrible trade(Wilson)as far as cost to acquire. What’s frustrating is giving him that contract and the front office even thinking he was even remotely still a viable option. The minute I heard Russel Wilson was a possibility I started talking shit. I never liked Wilson, dating to the draft

It's about as bad value wise as trading up for a bust QB in the draft. The Contract is the kicker here.

But yeah, nothing will top Walker.

 

[Grackle Party]

The Nuggets are good at drafting and developing. Peyton Watson looks to be turning into a player

 

[John Mandalorian]

How does it work in the NFL? If a team picks him up are the Broncos still on the book?

Unless it’s changed, only the signing bonus is guaranteed. So they wouldn’t owe him for the remaining salary portion of the contract.

But then you have the allocation of the signing bonus for cap purposes, which is spread out evenly over each year if the deal. But when someone is waived, the remaining part of the signing bonus goes to the year he’s waived. Again, this is unless it has changed recently.

 

[lionsDen]

It's about as bad value wise as trading up for a bust QB in the draft. The Contract is the kicker here.

But yeah, nothing will top Walker.

If im ownership, Paton has to go, he’s been worse the the mcd debacle if that can be believed

 

[Pokecheque]

If im ownership, Paton has to go, he’s been worse the the mcd debacle if that can be believed

Dude brought back Melvin Gordon. Should’ve been fired a LONG time ago.

 

[Bonzai12]

My biggest gripe with the trade is wiping out your draft capital AND your salary cap before the dude plays one down. If it was just one or the other I could understand things but they basically froze ALL of their player personnel assets for 2-3 years on this guy…….before he even took a snap. Paton kind of dug his own damn hole in that regard.

 

[StreetHawk]

Unless it’s changed, only the signing bonus is guaranteed. So they wouldn’t owe him for the remaining salary portion of the contract.

But then you have the allocation of the signing bonus for cap purposes, which is spread out evenly over each year if the deal. But when someone is waived, the remaining part of the signing bonus goes to the year he’s waived. Again, this is unless it has changed recently.

In the most simpliest terms, all of the actual cash a team pays a player, will ultimately have to hit their salary cap. Unlike the NHL, where front loaded contracts, can be traded and the acquiring can pay a lower salary than the cap hit. NFL, cap charges are based on who has PAID the player. Which is why players who are within the first 2 years of a long term contract will leave behind large dead cap charges, even if they have no more guaranteed money.

So, any signing bonus money, which is prorated over the length of the contract (or 5 years, whichever is shorter I believe) has to hit that team's cap regardless of whether the player is traded, cut, waived (and claimed). As well, what you hear a lot with vets is that they restructure their contract to free up cap space. That means that the player, instead of taking $20 mill in base salary for the season, has agreed to take like $15 mill of that as a bonus, which can then be allocated over multiple years, thus the cap hit the team takes for that season is the $5 mill in reduced base plus say $3 mill in restructed bonus, for $8 mill that year instead of $20 mill cap charge. But, the team has then pushed $12 mill into future years and would be on the hook for that $12 mill should the player be cut, traded, wavied. Plus another future salary/bonuses that are fully guaranteed still, which in Russ' case is the $17 mill of 2024 base salary plus $22 mill in option for 2024.

The $85 mill in dead cap charges, should Russ get cut breaks down as follows:

$30 million remaining of unallocated $50 mill signing bonus from 2022. ($10 mill per)
$16 million remaining of unallocated $20 mill option bonus from 2023. ($4 mill per)
$22 million remaining of unallocated $22 mill option bonus for 2024 (fully guaranteed). ($4.4 mill per)
$17 million remaining of the 2024 base salary which is fully guaranteed (this can be reduced should he sign with another team, but realistically, don't see him getting much more than what Baker got with TB which was like $8.5 mill this past season).

 

[The Abusement Park]

My biggest gripe with the trade is wiping out your draft capital AND your salary cap before the dude plays one down. If it was just one or the other I could understand things but they basically froze ALL of their player personnel assets for 2-3 years on this guy…….before he even took a snap. Paton kind of dug his own damn hole in that regard.

Not saying it’s right or was the smart thing to do, but I’m sure Paton wasn’t going to move all that for a guy he wasn’t going to commit to long term. I’m sure we’d all be losing our mind trading all that capital for a guy we lost after 1 season. Just an absolute disaster all around.

 

[Bonzai12]

Adam Schefter: Fate of George Paton lies in Sean Payton's hands

"How does Sean feel about moving forward with George Paton? That's going to be a Sean decision, just like the Russell thing," Schefter said

denversports.com

 

[sethro109]

Adam Schefter: Fate of George Paton lies in Sean Payton's hands

"How does Sean feel about moving forward with George Paton? That's going to be a Sean decision, just like the Russell thing," Schefter said

denversports.com

Interesting that the HC is bring given the power to fire the GM. I hope he boots the mother f***er to the moon.

It's also pretty funny seeing all the ex-players simping so hard for Wilson on Twitter. We need that POS gone ASAP.

 

[Bonzai12]

I’m sure we’d all be losing our mind trading all that capital for a guy we lost after 1 season. Just an absolute disaster all around.

I thought Russ was signed for 2 years. There was a quote going around at the time that Russ was content just playing the final two years of that contract as it was. And I can’t find it online anymore but I read something last year that Greg (Penner) called up Paton and initiated the idea of extending Russ. I kinda fault Penner for the extension but Paton should have pushed back until Wilson had at least played. Instead I think Paton played the simple yes man.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I thought Russ was signed for 2 years. There was a quote going around at the time that Russ was content just playing the final two years of that contract as it was. And I can’t find it online anymore but I read something last year that Greg (Penner) called up Paton and initiated the idea of extending Russ. I kinda fault Penner for the extension but Paton should have pushed back until Wilson had at least played. Instead I think Paton played the simple yes man.

Oh was it 2? I thought it was 1 for some reason. Certainly makes the contract decision that much worse imo.

 

[Bonzai12]

Oh was it 2? I thought it was 1 for some reason. Certainly makes the contract decision that much worse imo.

Yeah I guess it was 2. Looked it up in this god awful article. Russell Wilson is such a chump - the team and Wilson mutually agreed on a Sept 1 deadline for his extension which was like 2 weeks before he would have to play his first game. This article has aged like goat cheese - explaining the “flexibility” in the deal lmao. How Russell Wilson's new Broncos contract came together in just 3 weeks

 

[AvsWraith]

Paton's gotta go, IMO. He's the answer to the trivia question: "What GM is responsible for the worst trade in NFL history?"

You don't trade a hall of fame QB unless you know something. Pete Carrol knew that Russ was a product of his system. And Paton never once asked himself "Why are they willing to let him go?"

 

[CharlesPuck]

Interesting that the HC is bring given the power to fire the GM. I hope he boots the mother f***er to the moon.

It's also pretty funny seeing all the ex-players simping so hard for Wilson on Twitter. We need that POS gone ASAP.

Your hatred for Wilson is odd. He was a perfectly good QB this year. They aren’t going to have a better one anytime soon.