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Wonder if a Kopech for India deal could work? Reds would get SP under team control thru 2025 and Sox get 2B who has been up and down but is still vast improvement over what we have now (Andrus) and would at very least allow team to have stability at 2B for foreseeable future.

A change of scenery for two guys who while not terrible are not living up to expectations of clubs
 
TLEH said:
He honestly should just do it, rather than sit in Paris and run out his contract and not play, but I think he is fed up with the oil shit and how they act like children when they don't get what they want.
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That's the kind of blood money that you're not signing for your next team but buying ownership in.
 
DisgruntledHawkFan said:
That's the kind of blood money that you're not signing for your next team but buying ownership in.
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Hell even working for US corporations is certainly blood money haha. Corps control US>US facilitates authoriarian regimes, coup's, and atrocities around the world.

Not as brazenly brutal but brutal in its own way fo sho

US also has a lot more influence and power worldwide and does a lot bad with it.


So being upset about the Saudi thing as an American is tough for me. Saudi is BAD. so is the US. So is etc etc etc.
 
blams said:
Hell even working for US corporations is certainly blood money haha. Corps control US>US facilitates authoriarian regimes, coup's, and atrocities around the world.

Not as brazenly brutal but brutal in its own way fo sho

US also has a lot more influence and power worldwide and does a lot bad with it.


So being upset about the Saudi thing as an American is tough for me. Saudi is BAD. so is the US. So is etc etc etc.
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They're not even remotely comparable.
 
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Pez68 said:
They're not even remotely comparable.
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There's a lot more to the evils of the US and Saudi than just US bad or Saudi bad tho. They are very different you're correct.

US facilitates genocide and authoritarian regimes around the world and has for a good time now. Saudi... much more brazenly brutal and oppressive in their own borders but no nearly as much issue around the globe.

The US just does it behind the curtains around the world and via manipulating and say "but they're bad and they dropped the bomb/pulled the gun/they have extremists " while holding the puppet strings lol. Also the US is not an angel within its own borders either. Again, to reiterate not as brazenly brutal.

I'll stop there
 
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TLEH said:
He honestly should just do it, rather than sit in Paris and run out his contract and not play, but I think he is fed up with the oil shit and how they act like children when they don't get what they want.
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If he’s fed up with oil shit, going to play in Saudi Arabia may not be the move
 
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blams said:
There's a lot more to the evils of the US and Saudi than just US bad or Saudi bad tho. They are very different you're correct.

US facilitates genocide and authoritarian regimes around the world and has for a good time now. Saudi... much more brazenly brutal and oppressive in their own borders but no nearly as much issue around the globe.

The US just does it behind the curtains around the world and via manipulating and say "but they're bad and they dropped the bomb/pulled the gun/they have extremists " while holding the puppet strings lol. Also the US is not an angel within its own borders either. Again, to reiterate not as brazenly brutal.

I'll stop there
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Wells Fargo isn't making you disappear if you say the wrong thing in public.
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
Wells Fargo isn't making you disappear if you say the wrong thing in public.
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Yes, that is covered in my messaging. The US isn't as brazenly brutal. It pulls strings for the same result.

If a poor guy kills a man because a rich guy has a gun to his head and all of his resources tied up- is the poor guy bad? That is equally as bad as making a reporter disappear.

Causing genocide, atrocities, authoritarian takeover , war knowingly is just as bad as doing it especially when you're the power behind it.


My point is it isn't black and white. Saudi is f***ing EVIL. So f***ing is the US.
 
blams said:
Yes, that is covered in my messaging. The US isn't as brazenly brutal. It pulls strings for the same result.

If a poor guy kills a man because a rich guy has a gun to his head and all of his resources tied up- is the poor guy bad? That is equally as bad as making a reporter disappear.

Causing genocide, atrocities, authoritarian takeover , war knowingly is just as bad as doing it especially when you're the power behind it.


My point is it isn't black and white. Saudi is f***ing EVIL. So f***ing is the US.
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The US isn't any one corporation. You compared working for a LLC to taking Saudi royal blood money. It's a really goofy stance.
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
The US isn't any one corporation. You compared working for a LLC to taking Saudi royal blood money. It's a really goofy stance.
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The blood of oppressed people in the US is on the hands of every corporation if you want to look at it only that way. That isn't quite what I was saying though. It was more nuanced than that. US evil, Saudi evil. Is my point.

I do get your point though, honestly.
 
blams said:
The blood of oppressed people in the US is on the hands of every corporation if you want to look at it only that way. That isn't quite what I was saying though. It was more nuanced than that. US evil, Saudi evil. Is my point.

I do get your point though, honestly.
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And there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. I get it. But there's levels to that.

You're arguing shades of grey and ignoring the blood soaked darker shade of grey.
 
DisgruntledHawkFan said:
And there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. I get it. But there's levels to that.

You're arguing shades of grey and ignoring the blood soaked darker shade of grey.
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The US as a whole is for sure more blood soaked.

The individual entity vs other US individual entities, yes, I'll concede that one I get your point and it helps me understand that POV more.
 
blams said:
The US as a whole is for sure more blood soaked.

The individual entity vs other US individual entities, yes, I'll concede that one I get your point and it helps me understand that POV more.
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Can't really get into this further without getting even more political which I'm not supposed to do as a moderator and the ruling body of this slice of the internet.
 
DisgruntledHawkFan said:
Can't really get into this further without getting even more political which I'm not supposed to do as a moderator and the ruling body of this slice of the internet.
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I hear you my man, I hear you. I could feel myself pushing the limits and as a long time mod I was disappointed in myself
 
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