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[hawksrule]

He's a Yankee so it will be front page news for days. They have to do something before they choke in the playoffs again.

I'm sure the Yankees with their 27 World Series championships can only wish to match the wild success of the playoff juggernaut known as the Chicago White Sox.

 

[Sarava]

National media is spending a lot of time on a guy hitting the seventh most home runs in a season.

Also, I will laugh mightily if Judge turns out to be a powerhitting version of Braun after how much this has been hyped as an allegedly clean record.

It is an AL record, and also the overall record for outside of the steroid era. Now, is he juicing? Who knows...he does kind of look like he might be, but until there's any kind of evidence, I have to assume he's clean.

 

[madgoat33]

Why does an al record matter? Its like bragging about having the NFC record for single season TD passes. Still like 10 fewer than the actual record...Whats next? Divisional records? Adam Dunn holds the record for most strikeouts in AL Central history, yay!

 

[No Fun Shogun]

It is an AL record, and also the overall record for outside of the steroid era. Now, is he juicing? Who knows...he does kind of look like he might be, but until there's any kind of evidence, I have to assume he's clean.

And that's a cool thing for a single fanbase to care about, not for the national media to fawn about it for days on end and to interrupt other sports when he's waltzing up to bat.

 

[southsideIrish]

I'm sure the Yankees with their 27 World Series championships can only wish to match the wild success of the playoff juggernaut known as the Chicago White Sox.

The Yankees in the last 22 years have exactly the same amount of WS titles that the White Sox do. And their "title" was tainted with multiple heavy steroid users. As was their 90s "dynasty".

 

[hawksrule]

The Yankees in the last 22 years have exactly the same amount of WS titles that the White Sox do. And their "title" was tainted with multiple heavy steroid users. As was their 90s "dynasty".

Why go back 22 years and not 27? And what ‘90s players on the Yankees were busted for steroids? None that I can recall, and none had outlandish power stats. Those were great teams with unbelievable bullpens. But it’s funny that a Chicago fan would mock the Yankees as having a lack of postseason success. Buy a clue.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

A title every two decades would be a godsend for most MLB teams, both sides of town included here.

One title in twenty+ years is the most futile stretch of Yankeedom in history for their franchise.

All about expectations. Yankees fans, media, staff, and players love to beat their chests about 27 rings and their gobsmackingly huge payroll and claims that everybody dreams of being a Yankee, yadda yadda yadda. It's only fair to turn that around on them when they underperform by their own standards and metrics.

A baseball fan born in 2001 has seen as many Kansas City Royals titles as Yankees titles. They're just not special any more.

 

[madgoat33]

Why go back 22 years and not 27? And what ‘90s players on the Yankees were busted for steroids? None that I can recall, and none had outlandish power stats. Those were great teams with unbelievable bullpens. But it’s funny that a Chicago fan would mock the Yankees as having a lack of postseason success. Buy a clue.

Giambi, a rod, clemens, all huge ties to steroids.....

 

[hawksrule]

Giambi, a rod, clemens, all huge ties to steroids.....

The first two weren’t on the ‘90s teams, and Clemens not until 1999.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

The Yankee's letting him walk would truly feel like the end of the Yankee's being the Yankee's I grew up knowing.

 

[clydesdale line]

A title every two decades would be a godsend for most MLB teams, both sides of town included here.

One title in twenty+ years is the most futile stretch of Yankeedom in history for their franchise.

All about expectations. Yankees fans, media, staff, and players love to beat their chests about 27 rings and their gobsmackingly huge payroll and claims that everybody dreams of being a Yankee, yadda yadda yadda. It's only fair to turn that around on them when they underperform by their own standards and metrics.

A baseball fan born in 2001 has seen as many Kansas City Royals titles as Yankees titles. They're just not special any more.

Yup. No different than Habs fans thumping their chest with their "24 championships!" when majority of them weren't even around for 1 or 2 of them.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Yup. No different than Habs fans thumping their chest with their "24 championships!" when majority of them weren't even around for 1 or 2 of them.

I guess it's all age relative but I don't remember the Habs winning but I definitely remember the Yankees winning five and I'm in my mid 30's.

 

[hawksrule]

Yup. No different than Habs fans thumping their chest with their "24 championships!" when majority of them weren't even around for 1 or 2 of them.

Vast majority of Yankees fans have seen at least 5. A 50 year old Yankee fan has seen 7. Habs haven’t won in thirty years. It’s nothing alike. And you all are missing the unintentional hilarity of a Chicago fan whose team has won only once in the past 100 years (and only came close one other time in the past 100 years) mocking the Yankees postseason history.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Sports is a what have you done for me lately game.

Lately, over two decades? The Yankees aren't anything special. And that's especially the case by their own standards.

If we were having a conversation on who had a better 90s or who had a better 20th Century, that'd be one thing. But this millennium? They've won as much as the Cubs or Sox and have lasted a tad longer in October for multiple years. Nothing really special.

 

[hawksrule]

Sports is a what have you done for me lately game.

Lately, over two decades? The Yankees aren't anything special. And that's especially the case by their own standards.

If we were having a conversation on who had a better 90s or who had a better 20th Century, that'd be one thing. But this millennium? They've won as much as the Cubs or Sox and have lasted a tad longer in October for multiple years. Nothing really special.

This millennium they’ve won twice as many World Series as the Cubs or cws. And that’s a very convenient place for you to draw the line (22 years instead of 26).

No one has argued that these two decades have been their best, but you’re wrong even within your self-serving cutoff point.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Their most recent World Series wins were in 2009 (21st Century/3rd Millennium) and before that in 2000 (20th Century/2nd Millennium).

Remember, there was no year 0.

And any cutoff point is convenient based on the argument being made. In my lifetime, dating back to 1985, sure the standard for success is different as well. But twenty years is a pretty hefty recent standard in the realm of pro sports, and it fits neatly with a pretty universal time barrier.

Heck, if a time traveller told us that our favorite team was twenty years away from their next title, we'd all be bummed out at such a long wait even recognizing that longer and actual droughts are a thing.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yankees last 2 decades is considered an underachievement by Yankees, Yankee fans and well everyone

No question about it

As for letting Judge walk. That would be nuts and yes would indicate this Yankees organization is far different than the one that dominated late 90's

 

[hawksrule]

Their most recent World Series wins were in 2009 (21st Century/3rd Millennium) and before that in 2000 (20th Century/2nd Millennium).

Remember, there was no year 0.

And any cutoff point is convenient based on the argument being made. In my lifetime, dating back to 1985, sure the standard for success is different as well. But twenty years is a pretty hefty recent standard in the realm of pro sports, and it fits neatly with a pretty universal time barrier.

Heck, if a time traveller told us that our favorite team was twenty years away from their next title, we'd all be bummed out at such a long wait even recognizing that longer and actual droughts are a thing.

Come on man. Your argument is that the Chicago teams have won as much recently because you arbitrarily set a cutoff date sixty days before another Yankee ws win, and five years before four more additional World Series championships. What you’re saying is both factually true and also a very weak point.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Come on man. Your argument is that the Chicago teams have won as much recently because you arbitrarily set a cutoff date sixty days before another Yankee ws win, and five years before four more additional World Series championships. What you’re saying is both factually true and also a very weak point.

For almost any other team, I'd concede that point.

I'm just holding the Yankees to the same standard by which their entire organization and fanbase lauds themselves up to. One title in a 20 year time frame is a failure by their standards, and me saying that they're nothing special is letting them off their own hook.

 

[SimpleJack]

No chance, he probably needs the full year in the pen just the start ramping up towards being capable of 100+ innings in 2024.

Yeah that makes sense.

Add him to the list of our young and highly touted talents that’s had their career/potential impeded by injuries. Him, Kopech, Eloy, Moncada, Robert, etc…. Really sucks that this happened to us.

Just one of many reasons as to why we’ve been such a disappointment. The young core has been consistently unavailable.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Yeah that makes sense.

Add him to the list of our young and highly touted talents that’s had their career/potential impeded by injuries. Him, Kopech, Eloy, Moncada, Robert, etc…. Really sucks that this happened to us.

Just one of many reasons as to why we’ve been such a disappointment. The young core has been consistently unavailable.

Yeah, but TJ is not a career-ender for pitchers anymore. He'll likely come back just as good as he was prior to the surgery, if not better. TJ surgery is pretty much the status quo for pitchers these days. it's not a matter of if, but when.

 

[southsideIrish]

The first two weren’t on the ‘90s teams, and Clemens not until 1999.

The book "The Yankee Years" by Tom Verducci and Joe Torre himself outlines in detail the steroid use esp. Clemens with his "personal trainer" he brought from Toronto. Pettite and others got in on that as well, and A-rod, Cano and others were key juicers on that 09 team that won.

That's why it's laughable each time Cashman & the Yankees whine about the 2017 Astros, considering his own franchises steroid use and their cheating with the apple watches that MLB swept under the rug. It's a shame they paid Beltran to keep his mouth shut. He's the one that originally said when he went from NY to Houston how what the Astros were doing was "behind the times." Maybe someday he'll tell all.

Anyway they have one steroid-tainted title in the last 20 years, like the others have said, that's nothing special esp. for a team with the monstrous resources they have.

 

[plasmonresonance]

Cubs loss was annoying.

Oh hey, preseason Bulls.

Vets pretty much decided to forgo playing any semblance of defense but the rook with a nice game.

 

[Pez68]

The Yankees can't really be compared to other teams because of how much money they spend. Having one championship in the last two decades, with the advantages they have in free agency and how much they spend, is absolutely worthy of criticism. And that 2009 world series is chock full of known PED users.

f*** the Yankees. I find it hilarious when they fail, especially with how obnoxious their fanbase is.

 

[hawksrule]

The book "The Yankee Years" by Tom Verducci and Joe Torre himself outlines in detail the steroid use esp. Clemens with his "personal trainer" he brought from Toronto. Pettite and others got in on that as well, and A-rod, Cano and others were key juicers on that 09 team that won.

That's why it's laughable each time Cashman & the Yankees whine about the 2017 Astros, considering his own franchises steroid use and their cheating with the apple watches that MLB swept under the rug. It's a shame they paid Beltran to keep his mouth shut. He's the one that originally said when he went from NY to Houston how what the Astros were doing was "behind the times." Maybe someday he'll tell all.

Anyway they have one steroid-tainted title in the last 20 years, like the others have said, that's nothing special esp. for a team with the monstrous resources they have.

You didn't answer the question. In the '90s, their lineup year in and year out was TIno Martinez, Jeter, Bernie WIlliams, Posada, Brosius, Paul O'Neill, and then guys like Chad Curtis splitting time at dh. Their most dominant season, 1998, the team leader in home runs had 26. Who is it you claim was on steroids at the time that taints their championship?